[QUOTE=ruslan]no way in hell, u can bet that. he has more than half way to go :no:
AI woulda had more if he stayed in philly :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Where the **** did you learn how to do math? Jesus.
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[QUOTE=ruslan]no way in hell, u can bet that. he has more than half way to go :no:
AI woulda had more if he stayed in philly :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Where the **** did you learn how to do math? Jesus.
That is absolutely amazing. Consider that he came off the bench his 1st 2 years, was the 2nd option behind Shaq for 6 years, and has had a great team for the past 2 seasons. He's really been on bad teams for 2 seasons. And he still has 94 career 40+ point games third all-time. Imagine what he would have done as the #1 guy from the beginning of his career.:eek:
[QUOTE=Jacks3]That is absolutely amazing. Consider that he came off the bench his 1st 2 years, was the 2nd option behind Shaq for 6 years, and has had a great team for the past 2 seasons. He's really been on bad teams for 2 seasons. And he still has 94 career 40+ point games third all-time. Imagine what he would have done as the #1 guy from the beginning of his career.:eek:[/QUOTE]
He would have not been a #1 guy at the beginning of his career. He jumped out of school and didn't develop until his 3rd season I believe.
I predict he'll finish at about 120 such games, which is a hell of a number. 140 is pushing it, especially as long as he plays 35-37 mpg and on good teams. While I'm at it, I'm not even sure he'll reach the 120 plateau. He'll need 26 more, an average of 5.2 for this season and 4 more. Achievable, but not granted.
FIY, if we include ABA careers, Barry is at 118 40-pointers.
FIY#2, Kobe is exactly at 100 40-point games if we include playoffs. However, this way he's at #4, since Baylor has a combined total of 103.
[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]40.5% shooting.[/QUOTE]
Ouch! :eek:
Thank you by the way.
jordan couldnt do it alone, from 84 to 90
but he was real good, allstar in his first year, averaged 37+ points in his third
[QUOTE=hoss805]jordan couldnt do it alone, from 84 to 90
but he was real good, allstar in his first year, averaged 37+ points in his third[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I bet not even you could do it with damn Dave Corzine and Rod Higgins by your side. :rolleyes:
Real good huh...3000 points. LOL.
But it was much easier to score back then, rim was 30" in diameter.
[QUOTE=puppychili][QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]40.5% shooting.[/QUOTE]
Ouch! :eek:
Thank you by the way.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.
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He needs to score 40 16 times per season, from here on out for the next 4 seasons, I doubt it
Probably not happening , but it
Kobe had 50% of those games in two seasons. He'd easily beat Jordan if he was the #1 option from the get go.
[QUOTE=Story Up]Kobe had 50% of those games in two seasons. He'd easily beat Jordan if he was the #1 option from the get go.[/QUOTE]
I think it worked out better overall for Kobe to be #2 for a while. Few more rings because of it.
[QUOTE=Story Up]Kobe had 50% of those games in two seasons. He'd easily beat Jordan if he was the #1 option from the get go.[/QUOTE]
Michael Jordan 87, 88 seasons = 43, 40-point games.
Kobe Bryant 06,07 seasons = 29, 40-point games.
Where did this 50% crap come from???????? LOL!!
As you can see, as for as prolific scoring goes over even just a couple of years, Jordan still whips Kobe....:no:
[QUOTE=Story Up]Kobe had 50% of those games in two seasons. He'd easily beat Jordan if he was the #1 option from the get go.[/QUOTE]
If...If...If Kobe was starting and the number 1 from the get-go......If Jordan hadn't lost most of the entire 86 season to injury......If Jordan hadn't retired for a 1 year and a half during his prime years....if Jordan hadn't retired at 35 while he was still capable of averaging 29 a game...If....If....If
[QUOTE=Story Up]Kobe had 50% of those games in two seasons. He'd easily beat Jordan if he was the #1 option from the get go.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. But if he was the #1 option from the get go, forget about first three rings. Which option is better?
[QUOTE=Story Up]Kobe had 50% of those games in two seasons. He'd easily beat Jordan if he was the #1 option from the get go.[/QUOTE]
This is nonsense. BOTH Kobe and Jordan did most of their damage in terms of 40+ point games in two seasons (MJ had 55 games of 40+ points in '87 and '88 versus Kobe's 45 such games in '06 and '07). Saying that Kobe "would have" done more is a joke, because Jordan also would have done more scoring if he didn't concentrate on his team game and all-around game post-1988, if he wasn't expending a ton of energy on defense (way more than Kobe), and if he didn't have as good a team as he did post 1989.
Let's also not neglect the fact that Jordan had more playoff games of 40+ point in two postseasons ('89 and '90) than Kobe has had in his [B]entire playoff career[/B] (13 games of 40+ points versus 11 games).
nah, he won't pass jordon on this.
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]I forget, which one of those retirements was caused by David Stern for the force retirement of Jordan for inability to pay gambling debt, which ultimately resulted in the death and murder of his own father?
Rape charge? hur hur Jordan Killed his father! Beat that Kobe!/ Win
Im just kidding, I dont realy care either way. I just wanted to bring up jordan killing his dad. I thought it would be fun.
It didnt disappoint.
Highschool? How did you do it?[/QUOTE]
BAN in 5,4,3..........
[QUOTE=Showtime]What's so amazing is that MJ walked away from the game twice. The first time he was at his peak, and missed a season and most of another. The second time he still had gas in the tank.[/QUOTE]
MJ had 7 years of ball hogging and 23+ shots per game in his atheletic Prime.... Kobe didnt have that.
[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]MJ had 7 years of ball hogging and 23+ shots per game in his atheletic Prime.... Kobe didnt have that.[/QUOTE]
I think he did... lol. I don't think anyone would say Kobe didn't get enough shots. Kobe shot whenever he wanted to. If he didn't shoot it, he wouldn't have shot it no matter who was on his team. If Kobe didn't shoot it, he was thinking THERE IS NO WAY I CAN MAKE THIS SHOT.
-Smak
[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]MJ had 7 years of ball hogging and 23+ shots per game in his atheletic Prime.... Kobe didnt have that.[/QUOTE]
If MJ took the same shots as Kobe he still had more 40 points/ game, better FG%:rockon:
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]Aww cmon now, I did it in good sport! It was all in dark humor! I was just having fun, lol. Cmon it was a little funny..[/QUOTE]
Not really.
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]F u I laughed, LOL. Dont take somebody you never met so seriously. He doesnt care what merchandise you bought, only the ones you didnt. Personally im not reserving my grave sight with a James Jordan premium coffin, exclusive with vintage jordans and mafia un-payoffs. Order now and we'll include the super duper premium FBI wire, just like the one jordan used! Put it under your shirt, put it under your hat! ITS FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY! Buy now![/QUOTE]
Take you seriously? I don't give a shit about you one way or the other. I just think you're sad, ignorant and irrelevant. Actually, give me a sec.....
[I]This message is hidden because COnDEMnED is on your ignore list.[/I]
Much better.....
[QUOTE=bwink23]Michael Jordan 87, 88 seasons = 43, 40-point games.
Kobe Bryant 06,07 seasons = 29, 40-point games.
Where did this 50% crap come from???????? LOL!!
As you can see, as for as prolific scoring goes over even just a couple of years, Jordan still whips Kobe....:no:[/QUOTE]
Uhm you sure he only had 29 40+ point games. I'm calling out your bullshit.
[QUOTE=rhythmic
I meant he scored 40+, and 45 is almost 50% of 109.
If a player scores 50+ they only record it as a 50 Pontiac game? Or as a 40 and 50 point game? Hence, he eclipsed both of them?
[QUOTE=konex]Are you serious? Kobe'll be lucky to get to 100 this season :roll:[/QUOTE]
KONEX CURSE LIVES :bowdown:
[QUOTE=bwink23]You have basketball reference.com ??? LOOK IT UP. I didn't include the 50-point games, just the 40's....as someone stated before, if you include 50-points or more with that, Jordan = 55 and Kobe = 45....
It helps to look things up before you let your butt do the talking for you.
Jordan over those 2 years = 36.0ppg on 26.1 FG attempts.
Kobe over those 2 years = 33.5ppg on 25.0 FG attempts.
Jordan played all 164 games, totaling 5,909 points.
Kobe missed 7 games, totaling 5,262 points.
647 total points LESS than Jordan over those 2 years. Kobe would have to had played another 19 games just to match Jordan's total points over those 2 years.
SORRY DUDE....Jordan is THE standard.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I see man. I just had a different criteria for 40+ point games. I figured if a player scores at least 40+ points, that counts at the minimum as a 40 point game. I knew Kobe scored a lot more then 29 games of over 40 games. :cheers:
Thanks for those insightful posts bro. But yes, Jordan is the standard. There's no point in comparing, both Jordan & Kobe had a legendary career in their own way.
[QUOTE=konex]Are you serious? Kobe'll be lucky to get to 100 this season :roll:[/QUOTE]
Konex curse begins? *again
Would he of caught MJ? probably not but he still has over 100 :pimp:
and they said he wouldn't get this many
let's not forget how many of those mj forty point games were from the playoffs.
Well, Kobe is at one hundred seventeen (117) 40+-point games as of last night. I'm not suggesting he'll reach MJ ever, but he's probably going to be sitting at #3 comfortably for a long period of time.
LOL at Kobe stans: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but he could score 40 every game if he wanted to. Way to speak in hypotheticals; just don't forget that DA YAHWEH toned his offensive game down massively from about 1989 onwards for the good of the TEAM. Using kobestanean logic, how many more 40 point games would he have had if he had gone all out from 1989 to 1993?
[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]MJ had 7 years of ball hogging and 23+ shots per game in his atheletic Prime.... Kobe didnt have that.[/QUOTE]
No, by 1990 / 1991 MJ was having to pull his personal game back for the betterment of a team in contention for a championship. He was having to be a responsible leader.
As Loki said, he also didn't focus solely on scoring, allowing other aspects to his game in the Kobe comparison sake, defense, to take nose dives in order to put up volume scoring numbers.
And while one could make the argument MJ had his early years '85 - '89 where he was on a bad team, in his athletic prime being able to score as much as he wanted to ... the give and take to that is Kobe during his early years was already putting championships on his resume by helping an all-time great in Shaquille O'Neal. He got rings on his resume instead of scoring titles.
But the BULK of Kobe's 40+ point games came at his absolute peak / prime in a two to three year stretch 2006 - 2008. Not just his athletic prime like Jordan from '85 - '89 but his total prime / peak. Meaning the greatest combination he'd have in terms of physical ability, skill, and knowledge (championship level knowledge and experience at that)
Players usually peak at 27, 28, 29 and sometimes 30 years old. That's usually the area of their best stretch. They are still young enough to have all the physical advantages, stamina, athleticism, with just enough experience, maturity, and years of honed skill set and basketball intelligence.
Kobe in his absolute PEAK years was playing on a team headed NO WHERE, where he was allowed to cheat and relax on defense and put up the best scoring numbers he could in a coincidental couple season where league wide rules changed to aid the perimeter player. Not taking away from Kobe, as he's one of the greatest, but this is the truth ... and this is a counter argument to your ridiculous claim.
So, Kobe's best 40 point seasons came at his peak, when that's all he was asked to do was score on teams not competing for championships. Meanwhile ...
MJ at 27, 28, 29, and 30 years old ... also known as HIS PEAK was busy being the floor general and utility man for a team competing for rings. You put PEAK Michael Jordan (1991, 1992, 1993 versions) on a team the caliber of the 2006, 2007, and 2008 Lakers (pre Gasol) and tell him he can relax on defense and focus on scoring?!!!!
His numbers would be MONSTEROUS. MJ was at his absolute best from '91 - '93. Virtually all the athleticism of '85 - '89 MJ, with even more skill, maturity, and experience. I shutter to think what '91, or '92, or '93 MJ would do from a scoring perspective with a non championship caliber team.
Imagine what MJ could do if say he faced the lowly Clippers and wanted to have a self indulgent scoring game?
:pimp:
[QUOTE=Money 23]Imagine what MJ could do if say he faced the lowly Clippers and wanted to have a self indulgent scoring game?
:pimp:[/QUOTE]
82 points.
Yahweh :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Money 23]
As Loki said, he also didn't focus solely on scoring, allowing other aspects to his game in the Kobe comparison sake, defense, to take nose dives in order to put up volume scoring numbers.
Kobe in his absolute PEAK years was playing on a team headed NO WHERE, where he was allowed to cheat and relax on defense [/QUOTE]
I don't know why people constantly say this. Maybe they're too used to Kobe now not trying as hard on D. But in 2006 Kobe would still routinely guard the other team's best player and was able to give other star SGs fits on defense.
His defense in 2007 was bad but that was due to him bulking up and not really handling the extra weight well.
[QUOTE=sammdogg]Kobe Bryant, who scored only 26 points in the Lakers' win over the Blazers on Sunday, topped the 40-point mark for the 94th time of his career in a victory over the Jazz on Friday. Here is a look at where he ranks on the all-time list.
Most career 40-point games
[B]Wilt Chamberlain 271[/B]
Michael Jordan 173
Kobe Bryant 94
Elgin Baylor 88
Allen Iverson 79
Source: ESPN
Do u think kobe will pass MJ in 40 point games?[/QUOTE]
MJ and Kobe combined do not even equal Wilt's 271. :bowdown:
[QUOTE] to take nose dives in order to put up volume scoring numbers.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/t73ObkdKgFE/mqdefault.jpg[/IMG]
This graphic says it all. :lol Jordan led the league in FGA per game perenially; even at age 38 he was 2nd in FGA per game.
He has 111 today. I think.