Why does everyone think Brandon Jennings will be a bust ? I like his skills and from what i have seen he can be a solid PG, defently looks better than Jammer Nelson.
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Why does everyone think Brandon Jennings will be a bust ? I like his skills and from what i have seen he can be a solid PG, defently looks better than Jammer Nelson.
[QUOTE=wang4three]You missed my point. The point isn't that Duke can produce NBA stars, the point is that the NBA is too hard to get into. You can't hold it against a college because the NBA is that hard to get into. Duke gets a bad rep from people cause people think it's magically easy to get into the NBA. What college guarantees stardom in the NBA?
You want to go on? You omit players like Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, Chris Duhon, Shane Battier, Luol Deng, and Mike Dunleavy who are all doing pretty well for themselves.
Regardless you miss my point. Just cause Duke has had duds from their college doesn't mean that it'll reproduce them. If anything it only attests to how hard the NBA is.[/QUOTE]
The year that Brand came out that whole Duke starting lineup got drafted in the first round, all of them busts. Brand did okay but still somewhat of a disappointment for a first overall pick.
In 2002, Jay Williams and Mike Dunleavy both from duke got picked two and three after international phenom Yao Ming. They got picked over the likes of Caron Butler, Amare, Prince...and boozer who got drafted in the second round. I dont see how this helps your point. Williams completely flopped. Dunleavy sucks for a second overall. And boozer proves my point of how messed up Duke's system is for gaging NBA talent.
See the thing is, you're missing MY point. I know the NBA is goddamn hard to get into. You're not opening my eyes towards the world of elite professional athletes. But Duke which has a pretty solid NCAA program is notorious and has a track record for producing players that get drafted higher than they should be. Which brings me back to my initial argument, Henderson has no business being in the top of this draft class. That is all.
[QUOTE=macmac]The year that Brand came out that whole Duke starting lineup got drafted in the first round, all of them busts. Brand did okay but still somewhat of a disappointment for a first overall pick. [/quote]
Did ok? The guy is earning over hundreds of millions of dollars for himself. He's doing more than ok. Anyone making multiple All-Star appearances is deserving more praise than that.
Disappointing first overall pick. What player that year rounded out a better career than Elton Brand? Remind you that he has over 12,000 career points, 6,500 rebounds, 1,300 blocks and a career 50% shooter and 74% shooter from the line. That's a fantastic career.
[quote]In 2002, Jay Williams and Mike Dunleavy both from duke got picked two and three after international phenom Yao Ming. They got picked over the likes of Caron Butler, Amare, Prince...and boozer who got drafted in the second round. I dont see how this helps your point. Williams completely flopped. Dunleavy sucks for a second overall. And boozer proves my point of how messed up Duke's system is for gaging NBA talent. [/quote]
That is an unfair assessment of Jay Williams. What happened to him was a tragic accident and to say he "flopped" is completely unwarranted.
If you want to do this, I can do this for the 2005 draft class that took Marvin Williams over Chris Paul and Deron Williams, Raymond Felton, Rashad McCants and Sean May over Danny Granger, David Lee, and Nate Robinson. In 2007, Brandon Wright was taken over Joakim Noah, Spencer Hawes, and Rudy Fernandez.
I guess UNC has the same problem as Duke.
Well, what about going back?
In 1998, Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter went over Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki. In 1994, Eric Montross went over Jalen Rose, Eddie Jones, and Aaron McKie. And there's probably more if I went through it.
Draft position has nothing to do with this argument. Nothing. It has to do with the players cause Duke doesn't determine where their students go in the draft. They can help with how much they succeed and more than enough suggest that they're capable of doing well in the NBA.
[quote]See the thing is, you're missing MY point. I know the NBA is goddamn hard to get into. You're not opening my eyes towards the world of elite professional athletes. But Duke which has a pretty solid NCAA program is notorious and has a track record for producing players that get drafted higher than they should be. Which brings me back to my initial argument, Henderson has no business being in the top of this draft class. That is all.[/QUOTE]
I'm not missing your point, it's just irrelevant. "Notorious?" That's ridiculous. "Notorious?" Duke has no say in where their kids go in the draft. That's the team's fault, not theirs. Just because some GM takes them higher than where they should be is not the fault of the school, it's the fault of the club.
I'm mean seriously, you blame Duke? Really? Do they tell teams to take their players in the lotto? Do they? How is that their fault? Really?
Teams don't draft based on where they came from. It should be the most minimalist of deciding factors. They draft on talent they see and if they can fit in. If you're shunning everyone from Duke, you're just being ignorant and discriminatory. I've seen plenty of Gerald Henderson to suggest he would be a solid to good NBA player. That's all I've been arguing for this entire time. He's a fine player, just cause he went to Duke should not be a hindrance.
Honestly, there is no school that consistently pumps out star after star. Even UNC and UConn has their busts year after year. UNC's latest bunch of lottery picks has not produced a single star yet. Ty Lawson is projected lottery, is he going to get your similar objections? As for UConn, Josh Boone, Marcus Williams have done no more than Shelden Williams and JJ Redick. Sean May and McCants barely did anything more than those two too.
It's just damn hard to get into the NBA.
So ISH still talking like Harden is a top-5 pick? :roll:
All the following will be drafted before Harden if they come out:
Aminu
Tyreke Evans
Tereance Williams
Rubio
Possibly, Jennings
Monroe
And this is off the top of my head. With a draft guide I could give a more detailed list. Basically Harden is a fringe top-10 pick, maybe lottery worthy. In my book, he's a 12-18 draft day grade selection.
LMFAO q the clown who says Harden is a possible #1 draft pick.
[QUOTE=Tips4]To Earl Clark is the most overrated player in this draft, i think people are just overhyping him. He is a decent player but people make like he is going to something special in NBA just because he is 6-9 and can play SF. He is an avarage player who wont be anything special, i see a slightly poor man version of Thadeus Young or Marvin Williams.[/QUOTE]
If Clark lands in the right situation, he should be a solid role player in the NBA. I don't think he will be great and I think it will take him time to get going in the NBA, but once he does get going, he'll be a very solid player and one of the top players from this draft.
[QUOTE=wang4three]Do you know how hard it is to get into the NBA? You need to have ridiculous talent to get into the NBA, so much talent that they could play on their off hand and be better than everyone not in the NBA. Outside of UNC and possibly [SIZE="7"][B]UConn (possibly)[/B][/SIZE] there aren't many colleges that really consistently pump out NBA stud after NBA stud. The fact that Duke even produces players that make the NBA should alone attest to their ability.
I don't like Duke. I really don't, never really have. I'm not the biggest Coach K fan, I think he's a bit of a phony..but I have the utmost respect for him and the university's basketball program.
It's just hard to make the NBA. Seriously.[/QUOTE]
UConn fanhood/homerism in effect.
Williams/Ollie
Allen/Hamilton/Gordon
Gay/Butler/Marshall
Villanueva/Boone
Okafor/Armstrong
If I am correct I'm pretty sure all were first rounders, I think I may be missing a few. Upgrade that possible to sure thing.
[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]UConn fanhood/homerism in effect.
Williams/Ollie
Allen/Hamilton/Gordon
Gay/Butler/Marshall
Villanueva/Boone
Okafor/Armstrong
If I am correct I'm pretty sure all were first rounders, I think I may be missing a few. Upgrade that possible to sure thing.[/QUOTE]
Reason I wrote possibly is because of length of tenure like a UNC. UNC has been pumping out stars forever.
No university is a "sure thing" though. None.
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[QUOTE=wang4three]Reason I wrote possibly is because of length of tenure like a UNC. UNC has been pumping out stars forever.
No university is a "sure thing" though. None.[/QUOTE]
True, but UConn has been going pretty strong since 94ish or whenever Allen/Marshall were drafted.
[QUOTE=utahjazzrock]Rubio could be another Baragnanni.
Overseas player. Seems amazing. Goes high in draft. Plays fairly well but not worth as high if a pick as we was taken.
Harden, I think Hasheem Thabeet will do well.
Tyler Hansbrough could be real good on the right team.[/QUOTE]
to be fair - bargnani has just started to scratch the surface though, we dont even know what his ceiling is yet
rubio looked real solid playing hurt in the olympics - not flashy, just a cool character with the ball in his hands
i dont really see a team where hansbrough makes a difference
Ricky Rubio.
[QUOTE=TMAC-RAPTORS]Curry > Rubio
You will all see!!![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]so if he leaves a guy like Curry could definitely be the pick. [B]But if it's over Monroe then I'm sending some really nasty emails.[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol