[QUOTE=#1SportsFan86]you better enjoy all this now because you have not a chance in hell vs. the Lakers.[/QUOTE]
what does that have to do with anything?
since the mavs had no shot vs LA, i guess this loss is ok with them too?
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[QUOTE=#1SportsFan86]you better enjoy all this now because you have not a chance in hell vs. the Lakers.[/QUOTE]
what does that have to do with anything?
since the mavs had no shot vs LA, i guess this loss is ok with them too?
[QUOTE=~primetime~]look dude...the NBA came forward and admitted they made a mistake...
EVEN THEY ARE SAYING I AM RIGHT!!!
and it isn't 3-0
it is 3-0*[/QUOTE]
make it 3-0*****
i got a few more *'s if you want.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]nope...
it is 3-0*
forever...[/QUOTE]
I think it's just 3-0.
if the nba makes a team replay the finale of a game because of incorrect foul tracking due to a home team's scoring/stat tracking staff (heat/hawks). shouldn't the nba do the same if their own staff(refs) *** up? hmm i dunno, i guess u gotta protect the integrity/rep of the refs in the sense that they cant make the right/perfect call all the time due to the subjective nature of reffing. while the whole heat/hawks replay thing was a simple objective counting error
but darn, it must sting to be a mavs fan
[QUOTE=~primetime~]look dude...the NBA came forward and admitted they made a mistake...
EVEN THEY ARE SAYING I AM RIGHT!!!
and it isn't 3-0
it is 3-0*[/QUOTE]
well guess what, it the same NBA that left a few Celtic players unpunished even with questionable actions and ejected Ron Artest two games in a row... again its whatever, obvious is the key word... still doesn't matter whether you want it to be 3-0 or 3-0*, Denver is still one game away from winning it all... unless Dallas takes this series to Game 7, the call really doesn't affect the series
Regardless if this game doesn't make a difference on the series outcome...regardless if the Mavs "deserved" to win or not...how can ANY of you call yourselves NBA fans and NOT be outraged that the refs blew a crunch time call that directly changed the outcome of the game?
[QUOTE=Arti]Regardless if this game doesn't make a difference on the series outcome...regardless if the Mavs "deserved" to win or not...how can ANY of you call yourselves NBA fans and NOT be outraged that the refs blew a crunch time call that directly changed the outcome of the game?[/QUOTE]
Because it was my team that won :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=GOBB]I typed all that because you and others keep mentioning him putting his hands up, backing off. I'm showing you [B]WHY[/B] he did that. As a defender with 1 foul to give you just assume the ref will know the situation at hand and give you the call. Thats his fault for assuming wrong. [B]Try reading sometime[/B].
Whistle never blew because he expected it too. The play happened so quick. He bumped, reached in to Melo and expected a foul call. By that time Melo is gathering the ball to shoot the 3. He wants to avoid a shooting foul which offensive players try to sell the refs. Really simple.
We both agree he should have just wrapped him up once Melo regained controlled of the ball. And we arent here arguing this. But the rest of my post touched on what you spoke on so dont act like a wise ass kid.
Blame goes to the ref. And blame goes to A.Wright. The end.
Everyone moves on.[/QUOTE]
You're really barking up the wrong tree.
Why should I read the same thing I said that you just bassically reguritated to me, yet again?? I really can't understand what you're getting at, and it's understandable you're pissed, but at the end of the day, IMO, it was a dumb play by Wright; he didn't attempt to remain in front of Melo after his 'intentional foul', and acted as if he didn't want the foul and it cost him.(As you seem to agree, he should have wrapped him up) End of story. Wrap it up. It's done. It's unfourtantate, but they're down 3-0, and have no one to blame but themselves for that. This series was over from the time the ball was tipped.
I'm done.
[QUOTE=Arti]Regardless if this game doesn't make a difference on the series outcome...regardless if the Mavs "deserved" to win or not...how can ANY of you call yourselves NBA fans and NOT be outraged that the refs blew a crunch time call that directly changed the outcome of the game?[/QUOTE]
The refs were blowing calls all game long, why would they suddenly get a call right? I was really not outraged at all. Honestly I find it ironic and hilarious because in the 3rd and 4th quarter it looked like the refs were trying to hand Dallas the game on a silver platter.
[QUOTE=KeylessEntry]The refs were blowing calls all game long, why would they suddenly get a call right? I was really not outraged at all. Honestly I find it ironic and hilarious because in the 3rd and 4th quarter it looked like the refs were trying to hand Dallas the game on a silver platter.[/QUOTE]
Then you should at least be outraged at the general BAD officiating in the NBA right now.
[QUOTE=Arti]Then you should at least be outraged at the general BAD officiating in the NBA right now.[/QUOTE]
That goes without saying. The officiating in this years Playoffs has been terrible.
[QUOTE=Arti]Then you should at least be outraged at the general BAD officiating in the NBA right now.[/QUOTE]
There has been a fcking truckload of bad officiating during these playoffs.
No flagrants called on Rondo for those two brutal fouls in the Chicago series.
Multiple ticky-tack fouls on Przybilla and Oden during the Rockets series.
Artest getting ejected for a good hard playoff foul against the Lakers last night.
Why should I start getting outraged now? I can look back at the Portland vs LAL game 7 WCF game in 2000, or the Sacto vs LAL series in 2002, or how about SAS vs PHX in 2007. Bad officiating is just part of the NBA game. Instead of being outraged I will just try to enjoy it for what it is, and tonight the "outrageous" officiating turned out to be hilarious in an ironic way, so im gonna laugh my ass off.
[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]You're really barking up the wrong tree.[/quote]
Bytch please.
[QUOTE]Why should I read the same thing I said that you just bassically reguritated to me, yet again?? I really can't understand what you're getting at, and it's understandable you're pissed, but at the end of the day, IMO, it was a dumb play by Wright;[/QUOTE]
Pissed at what? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE]he didn't attempt to remain in front of Melo after his 'intentional foul', and acted as if he didn't want the foul and it cost him.(As you seem to agree, he should have wrapped him up)[/QUOTE]
Wrong. He didnt act like he didnt want the foul. He fouled him then backed off in case Melo attempted to SELL TO THE REF A SHOOTING FOUL/CONTINUATION. A whistle doesnt have to blow because in his mind it was an obvious foul call [I](as to most including commentators and the NBA who reviewed it)[/I].
We agree he should have just wrapped him up.
We disagree that he acted like he didnt want to foul Melo
Defensively challenging a person shooting a 3pter is frowned upon in that situation for the simple fact you put yourself at risk for fouling. This doesnt mean give up on a play which is what you think A.Wright did. He did but i already stated my argument to why.
[quote]This series was over from the time the ball was tipped.[/QUOTE]
This is dumb and shows you have a bias. The series was over from the time the ball was tipped? :oldlol: Real weak on your part. Good job kid.
[QUOTE=LbloodOjunkieG]Nobody thought the Warriors would knock the top seeded Mav's out, yet they did. This is why you play the games.[/QUOTE]
Actually... I thought the Warriors had a great chance...
You F*cking idiot.
The Warriors did great against us in the regular season, and many MAVS fans were worried about the match up.
Don Nelson?
After watching the replay over and over,
everyone expected the foul, anyone in the clutch would of wrapped Melo up.
Look at wright he looks like a dumb ass he obviously tried to avoid fouling Melo during the shot. He put up both hands as if to say I didn't foul.
Once Melo released the ball wright looks and once it's in that's when you see Wright saying oh but I fouled him where was the call.
Just a bad play in my opinion. If that was a foul that was one weak sauce foul.
3-0 and like Mavs honestly had a chance to win the series??
was hoping this to go 5 games looks like it will be a sweep.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Bytch please.
Pissed at what? :confusedshrug:
Wrong. He didnt act like he didnt want the foul. He fouled him then backed off in case Melo attempted to SELL TO THE REF A SHOOTING FOUL/CONTINUATION. A whistle doesnt have to blow because in his mind it was an obvious foul call [I](as to most including commentators and the NBA who reviewed it)[/I].
We agree he should have just wrapped him up.
We disagree that he acted like he didnt want to foul Melo
Defensively challenging a person shooting a 3pter is frowned upon in that situation for the simple fact you put yourself at risk for fouling. This doesnt mean give up on a play which is what you think A.Wright did. He did but i already stated my argument to why.
This is dumb and shows you have a bias. The series was over from the time the ball was tipped? :oldlol: Real weak on your part. Good job kid.[/QUOTE]
Obviously you're upset at the loss. OK. But why are you crying to me? I don't want to hear your sob story about [I]why[/I] you think the Mavs lost. I responded to your first post. That's all that needed to be said, and it should have been left. If we both agree that he should have wrapped him up, why does it matter anymore? We disagree on him holding his hands/not playing after the whistle. It's called opinions. You have yours, I have mine. You're not changing my mind. So just stop. It's pointless. You're acting ass sore. Get over it. It's 3-0.
I don't really care what you think, I've already explained to you(unneccessarily) just [B]why[/B] I thought the play was weak and stupid on Wright's part. And yeah. The series was over before the tip. Denver was/is clearly the better team, and I called that before Game 1. I predicted it to be over in 5 two days before the series began. Looks like a clean sweep from here, though. You going to get mad because I didn't think the Mavs had a snowballs chance in hell? Boo-f[I]u[/I]ckin'-hoo. If me making an observation about two teams I could give a sh[I]i[/I]t about makes me bias because I didn't predict your team had a chance, then you need to grow a pair. You're looking like Cuban with your fit, and it's irrelevant, because at the end of the day it's 3-0.
Cry about it, I guess. Just not to me.
What the f*ck is the point of this? I hate it when they do that. Why couldn't the officials check the replay and make the right call? Nobody gives a sh*t if the NBA admits their mistake after the game has already been decided.
[B]THE PLAY WAS WEAK[/B]
that's all it was. I could get pissed off on no calls. Look at Melo he has to get fouled hard to actually get a call on the inside.
In the end, it could have gone either way. People view the play differently and sure I'm a Nuggets fan. The way I saw it, Wright gave up on Defense and watched Melo shoot and once it went in that's when he started talking to the ref.
If you have a foul to give and you got 5seconds left make sure you wrap your player up or make it obvious. That was not an obvious foul looked like he didn't even want to get called for the foul until the shot went in.
[B]IT WAS A WEAK PLAY BY WRIGHT[/B]
i understand the nba doesn't want to slow the game down but the league is starting to lose credibility which in the long run is really the most important thing they have. they need to start doing more to insure the right call is being made, especially in late game situations like this.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]:applause:
EXXXXXactly...
unless you are a Nugs fan this should piss you off...
[B]honestly the last 3 years or so I have starting to think really differently about the NBA in general...[/B]
Is a sport broken when a "foul" is a good thing?
might have to start that thread...but would get alot of "STFU you Mavs cry baby"...
Cuban has been talking about this for a long time...the game is not ment to be played to take advantage of fouls and if it is happenening then things need to change...[/QUOTE]
I agree that in hindsight a foul should have been called. BUT I can't help but not get bent out of shape when:
1. If the team is coached properly, don't you tell the refs you have a foul to give and plan to use it (like you warn them about a time out at a crucial moment).
2. If that shot doesn't go in, I guarantee Dallas doesn't say a word. He clearly tried to play it off hoping for that very thing. If you're going to make that foul, you don't swipe - you leave no doubt. That stupid gesture he made after looked a lot like "I didn't touch him", regardless. The ref may have felt he was giving Dallas a break; it's not his job to know there's a foul to give meaning they plan to foul.
3. All this constant hysterics (like the bold above) about how the NBA is ruined with all these bad calls makes me ill. There have been some good series and the teams that should have won did.
There's always disputed calls in the playoffs. It's a hard job.
Dallas was up 4 with 30 seconds left I believe, at home. I wish they would have won, but they didn't. If they were the better team they would have.
[QUOTE=BallPhunk]I agree that in hindsight a foul should have been called. BUT I can't help but not get bent out of shape when:
1. If the team is coached properly, don't you tell the refs you have a foul to give and plan to use it (like you warn them about a time out at a crucial moment).
2. If that shot doesn't go in, I guarantee Dallas doesn't say a word. He clearly tried to play it off hoping for that very thing. If you're going to make that foul, you don't swipe - you leave no doubt. That stupid gesture he made after looked a lot like "I didn't touch him", regardless. The ref may have felt he was giving Dallas a break; it's not his job to know there's a foul to give meaning they plan to foul.
3. All this constant hysterics (like the bold above) about how the NBA is ruined with all these bad calls makes me ill. There have been some good series and the teams that should have won did.
There's always disputed calls in the playoffs. It's a hard job.
Dallas was up 4 with 30 seconds left I believe, at home. I wish they would have won, but they didn't. If they were the better team they would have.[/QUOTE]
1. I am hearing 2 sides to this...
-He should have told the refs before hand
-The refs are dumb because it should have been completely obvious
:confusedshrug:
2. If that shot had missed I would bet every penny I have that the Nuggets would be going ape sh*t and the NBA would be apologizing to THEM right now...
3. I am just talking about the way the entire game is set up in general...ever since the Mavs/Heat series and listening to Cuban's views and others it almost seems as though fouls in general just completely ruin the game even when the call is correct...
Is basketball the ONLY sport where a fould can be considered "GOOD"???
doesn't that seem as though the rules are broken???...or that something needs to change???
would you see any kind of "foul" done on purpose in the NFL or MLB or NHL or ANY OTHER SPORT???? on a regular basis???
IDK...all I am saying is that my views on the NBA have changed over the past few years...for the worse...
[QUOTE=~primetime~]1. I am hearing 2 sides to this...
-He should have told the refs before hand
-The refs are dumb because it should have been completely obvious
:confusedshrug:
2. If that shot had missed I would bet every penny I have that the Nuggets would be going ape sh*t and the NBA would be apologizing to THEM right now...
3. I am just talking about the way the entire game is set up in general...ever since the Mavs/Heat series and listening to Cuban's views and others it almost seems as though fouls in general just completely ruin the game even when the call is correct...
Is basketball the ONLY sport where a fould can be considered "GOOD"???
doesn't that seem as though the rules are broken???...or that something needs to change???
would you see any kind of "foul" done on purpose in the NFL or MLB or NHL or ANY OTHER SPORT???? on a regular basis???
IDK...all I am saying is that my views on the NBA have changed over the past few years...for the worse...[/QUOTE]
Why would we go ape ****?
Dallas had the game in there hands you guys just played dumb ball. Too be specific Wright is quite dumb.
Like I always say if Melo would be at the line more if he actually gets the calls when he's on the inside he's one of the stars that just don't get calls for the little ***** touch fouls.
It's over, if Melo missed there would be threads saying Melo isn't clutch or he's not clutch in the playoffs.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]1. I am hearing 2 sides to this...
-He should have told the refs before hand
-The refs are dumb because it should have been completely obvious
:confusedshrug:
I never said your second option. Point 1 stands.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=~primetime~]2. If that shot had missed I would bet every penny I have that the Nuggets would be going ape sh*t and the NBA would be apologizing to THEM right now...[/QUOTE]
But would you be complaining? ;-)
[QUOTE=~primetime~]would you see any kind of "foul" done on purpose in the NFL or MLB or NHL or ANY OTHER SPORT???? on a regular basis???
IDK...all I am saying is that my views on the NBA have changed over the past few years...for the worse...[/QUOTE]
It's never the exact circumstances, but calls have an impact on every game. Watch football? Ask the Raiders a number of years back.
I understand a hard-core fan being pissed, but as I said there are two sides...
[B][SIZE="7"]EVERYBODY REMEMBER ONE THING:[/SIZE][/B]
NBA admits mistake in Nuggets-Mavs game
[B][SIZE="7"]EVERYBODY ANSWER ME THIS:[/SIZE][/B]
has there been a mistake made that is bigger than this?.......
Oh yea... the fact that the refs worked for the mob once....
[QUOTE=BallPhunk]Dallas was up 4 with 30 seconds left I believe, at home. I wish they would have won, but they didn't. If they were the better team they would have.[/QUOTE]
I believe if you put yourself in a position to lose, and then you lose, its on you.
[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]Obviously you're upset at the loss. OK. But why are you crying to me? I don't want to hear your sob story about [I]why[/I] you think the Mavs lost. I responded to your first post. That's all that needed to be said, and it should have been left. If we both agree that he should have wrapped him up, why does it matter anymore? We disagree on him holding his hands/not playing after the whistle. It's called opinions. You have yours, I have mine. You're not changing my mind. So just stop. It's pointless. You're acting ass sore. Get over it. It's 3-0.
I don't really care what you think, I've already explained to you(unneccessarily) just [B]why[/B] I thought the play was weak and stupid on Wright's part. And yeah. The series was over before the tip. Denver was/is clearly the better team, and I called that before Game 1. I predicted it to be over in 5 two days before the series began. Looks like a clean sweep from here, though. You going to get mad because I didn't think the Mavs had a snowballs chance in hell? Boo-f[I]u[/I]ckin'-hoo. If me making an observation about two teams I could give a sh[I]i[/I]t about makes me bias because I didn't predict your team had a chance, then you need to grow a pair. You're looking like Cuban with your fit, and it's irrelevant, because at the end of the day it's 3-0.
Cry about it, I guess. Just not to me.[/QUOTE]
I'm a Sixers fans since the day my mom gave birth to me. So you typed all that to say what? Nothing. I typed all this to say what? Something.
[QUOTE=BallPhunk]
It's never the exact circumstances, but calls have an impact on every game. Watch football? Ask the Raiders a number of years back.
I understand a hard-core fan being pissed, but as I said there are two sides...[/QUOTE]
I think you are missing my point...
I am just saying that the past few years are making me question the rules in the NBA in general...
would you ever see an intentional pass interference done in the NFL?
would you ever see a short stop tackle a base runner on purpose?
those sports have aranged the rules to where comitting ANY kind of "FOUL" would never give your team a better chance to win...
I am just saying that the NBA is the ONLY sport where "fouls" are considered to be a "good thing" at times...
This is a problem according to Cuban...and it needs to be changed...
I have even heard some of the old timers talk about this...it is NOT how basketball was ment to be played...
the NBA should arrange the rules to where a team would NEVER want to foul...
a "FOUL" should ALWAYS be a bad thing...never a good thing...'
I would start a thread on this subject but I am all to familiar with the way alot of kids act here and it would just turn into a "STFU you sorry Mavs loser" fest...:ohwell:
anyway...JMO
It was a foul, and the ref missed it. Wright should have sold it better, but the ref missed it. It wasn't an intentional miss, Salvatore was probably influenced by the context of the situation (crunch time) and did not call it. Melo hits the shot. But he should have been fouled.
While this IS embarrassing, Nuggets were still gonna win this series. If they lost today, they would have beaten the Mavs by 58 pts in game 4. LOL ok I'm just kidding, but I coulda seen the Nuggets win game 4 regardless and basically ending the series right there.
Yeah it was a bad call. But how can you say that the refs changed the outcome of the game? Nuggets would still have the ball, and time to get a good shot (from the league's best cluch player acording to stats).. The refs tried to give this game to the mavs, they didn't think melo would make that shot, but he did.
hahahhaha
RIDICULOUS!
Defender asked the ref to not call the foul and then was pissed that the foul wasn't called, funny funny stuff. NBA is cowardly
[QUOTE=~primetime~]would you ever see an intentional pass interference done in the NFL?[/QUOTE]
all the time, if the PI prevents a sure touchdown
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]Actually... I thought the Warriors had a great chance...
You F*cking idiot.
The Warriors did great against us in the regular season, and many MAVS fans were worried about the match up.
Don Nelson?[/QUOTE]
Oh, how nice. You resort to name calling. :applause: :applause: How classy of you!!!! :applause: :applause: :applause:
[QUOTE=Geandily]hahahhaha
RIDICULOUS!
Defender asked the ref to not call the foul and then was pissed that the foul wasn't called, funny funny stuff. NBA is cowardly[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep repeating yourself to the point its becoming spam? Couple posters gave you some laughing emoticons about your post earlier and now you are milkin it.
Give it a rest.
This fact stands:
The defender raised his hands asking the ref to not call the foul, when the shot went in all of a sudden he wanted the foul to be called.
LAME apology by the NBA and I'll stop making posts like this when there's no more threads about it :D
[QUOTE=Geandily]This fact stands:
The defender raised his hands asking the ref to not call the foul, when the shot went in all of a sudden he wanted the foul to be called.
LAME apology by the NBA and I'll stop making posts like this when the issue finally dies[/QUOTE]
So the refs should call fouls based on whether or not the players want it to be called? If it was a foul, it should have been called. That's the bottom line. The player is not even relevant in this -- the ref(s) is.
well it isnt like it was a game 7 kind of ****... :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=artest 93]So the refs should call fouls based on whether or not the players want it to be called? If it was a foul, it should have been called. That's the bottom line. The player is not even relevant in this -- the ref(s) is.[/QUOTE]
Well maybe the relevant player should have been playing defense instead of crying, he could have at least contested the shot.
Like the Mavs had a guaranteed win anyway, who's to say that if the foul was called that Melo wouldn't have heard it and chucked the ball to get 3 freethrows?
There was about a 60% chance that the Nuggets were still going to win this game, I'll admit that it should have been a foul but come on, it's stupid how calls at the end of games get sooooooooo overly criticized. What about the obvious flagrant on Dahntay? That's something that people should be complaining about, not something that would have been an iffy call.
WOW, this whole 2nd round is making the NBA look like the they have the worst officials in all of sports
[QUOTE=flipogb]WOW, this whole 2nd round is making the NBA look like the they have the worst officials in all of sports[/QUOTE]
NBA officials have more responsibility than any other, would be nice for them to be able to make it easier on them. Hey maybe make intentional fouls illegal so something like this doesn't happen again? It's a pretty stupid scenario anyway.