Four-team trade sending Hedo Turkoglu to Raptors and Shawn Marion to Mavericks done

^I'd rather start Derozan than Wright, though we havent even seen how Derozan plays, i bet they will average around the same numbers... Around 7.3 PPG same as Wrights average last year

Why dont Mavs fans like Devean George? :confusedshrug: Are you gonna tell us or are you gonna let Raptors fans find out...

[QUOTE=Twiens]How good is Wright? Possible starting SG for the raps next year?[/QUOTE]

Inconsistent.

Offensively, when he's on fire, he's on fire but that rarely happens. Can drive to the basket (occasionally) but gets caught out by the defenders easily + unable to create contact or force a good shot. He is a shooting guard that can't shoot. I lost counts on how many open shots he missed last season.

Good defender though, I believe he defended our oppositions best wing player occasionally. Didn't do too bad of a job. I guess that's all lol.

Who's your projected starting SG?

[QUOTE=Twiens]How good is Wright? Possible starting SG for the raps next year?[/QUOTE]

Wright is a solid defensive role player. You really don't want to have to start him unless you have 3 solid starting scorers though.

He has a really nice don't F with me mean streak too.

We don't like George b/c he is the devil. For every good play he will make two bad ones. Ok but overrated defense. Loves to take stupid fouls once he gets beat or feels he was fouled on the other end. Takes bad three pointers all the time. If he drives, 90% of the time it ends in a charging foul.

[QUOTE=kentatm]Wright is a solid defensive role player. You really [B]don't want to have to start him unless you have 3 solid starting scorers though[/B].

He has a really nice don't F with me mean streak too.

We don't like George b/c he is the devil. For every good play he will make two bad ones. Ok but overrated defense. Loves to take stupid fouls once he gets beat or feels he was fouled on the other end. Takes bad three pointers all the time. If he drives, 90% of the time it ends in a charging foul.[/QUOTE]

Bargnani, Bosh, Turkoglu... I'd rather Derozan start at least he can knock down mid range shots...

[QUOTE=JoshCoward] [B]Good defender though,[/B] I believe he defended our oppositions best wing player occasionally. Didn't do too bad of a job. I guess that's all lol.

Who's your projected starting SG?[/QUOTE]

Thats all raptor fans want to hear. :cheers:

Oh and I guess Derozan will be starting for us at the 2 spot.

[QUOTE=IamSofaKing]Bargnani, Bosh, Turkoglu... I'd rather Derozan start at least he can knock down mid range shots...[/QUOTE]

I kinda agree. Might as well give the rook a chance, see what we have there. I actually think Wright should play big minutes though. Raps bench is horrible and if he's a good defender like said above then he'll be needed. Not much D in Toronto :oldlol:

PS: Devean George has been trash for 5+ years, I bet he'll get cut.

I'm not really sure with this one. Yes, the Mavs do get a former all-star and a very capable player however I do not see how everything is going to mesh. Hopefully they do. Props to Cuban and the whole Mavs organization for pulling this out. By the way, How did Dallas get Quinton Ross? I really like this guy. He's a very solid defender back when he was a Clipper.

Somehow apparently BC got Orlando into the deal so miraculously Toronto gets to keeep their MLE according to this [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637[/url]
:bowdown: BC

Jose Calderon | Roko Ukic
Demar DeRozan | Antoine Wright
Hedo Turkoglu | Devean George
Chris Bosh | Reggie Evans
Andrea Bargnani | Patrick O'Bryant

We really could use Pops Mensah Bonsu to back up the five spot.

[QUOTE=hassano]Somehow apparently BC got Orlando into the deal so miraculously Toronto gets to keeep their MLE according to this [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637[/url]
:bowdown: BC[/QUOTE]

yeah dude its been reported like an hour ago. BC just pulled a rabbit out his sleeve on this one

I wonder if Orlando getting involved means the Mavs and Magic will have a wink wink deal where they help each other getting Bass and Gortat?

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[QUOTE=kentatm]I wonder if Orlando getting involved means the Mavs and Magic will have a wink wink deal where they help each other getting Bass and Gortat?[/QUOTE]
Nah, Olrando got an 8 million dollar TPE, nothing else.

Word on the street is that the Magic might match Gortat then trade him to Houston for some more pieces... The Magic could sign Bass beforehand. It'd be screwing over Dallas, but hey, this is a business :).

Bass wants 4 mil and the Magic are offering 3.5... I am sure they will get something worked out... unless the Magic decide to get something new with their TPE.

[QUOTE=visirale]Nah, Olrando got an 8 million dollar TPE, nothing else.

Word on the street is that the Magic might match Gortat then trade him to Houston for some more pieces... The Magic could sign Bass beforehand. It'd be screwing over Dallas, but hey, this is a business :).

Bass wants 4 mil and the Magic are offering 3.5... I am sure they will get something worked out... unless the Magic decide to get something new with their TPE.[/QUOTE]

Gortat would have to agree to a S&T, since you can't trade signed players until 4 months or up or until December (Something like that).

[QUOTE=Pistol Pete]Jose Calderon | Roko Ukic
Demar DeRozan | Antoine Wright
Hedo Turkoglu | Devean George
Chris Bosh | Reggie Evans
Andrea Bargnani | Patrick O'Bryant

We really could use Pops Mensah Bonsu to back up the five spot.[/QUOTE]

Looks horrible right now - just needs tweaking. We have MLE now so B.C should be getting Delfino or even Kleiza.

I think its a good deal for the mavs, they should go alright next season...

Wonder where stackhouse will end up?

Wow, if all this is true than BC just made this whole signing Hedo scenario a lot more palatable. I'm impressed.


Obviously the deal is good for Dallas because it potentially makes them contenders out West, replacing the now Yao-less Houston, with a veteran core of Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Josh Howard, and Jason Terry. Enjoy Marion, Dallas fans, he's not washed up like people say, he will still score in double figures, still a tenacious rebounder, still a versatile, athletic, and competent defender, still a monster finisher on the break, still a veteran locker-room presence, still potentially an All-Star with Kidd handling him.

Here are the good things about this deal for Toronto:

Wright gives us a SG who can either start and provide good defence and decent offence, or if Derozan shows early Wright can easily play backup. At least we're not going to be paper-thin on the wings like it looked like we might be.

Devean George can hopefully be waived or bought-out or whatever, or else wear a groove in the bench for one year, but the fact that there is only one more year on his contract makes it acceptable either way. ****, if we don't sign Delfino or some other wing, he might even see some minutes.

Douby is gone. Good dude, but not a good enough player that I want him around.

Hump is moved. He's a live body in the paint, and will help Dallas with depth if Bass leaves. He can be very good when he knows his role, or very dumb when he tries to score. But the Raptors had too many damn PFs, Pops is our primary backup PF, Reggie will get minutes, and Hump was the odd man out.

Perhaps best of all, the fact that Hedo is now a sign-and-trade acquisition, meaning we get to keep our MLE, LLE, bird rights on players, it just makes things so much easier. If we manage to sign a player like Kleiza or Marvin Williams with that MLE, all of BC's failings will be forgiven for a while. Frankly if we sign anyone useful it will be nice, considering that until like a day ago I thought we were totally screwing ourselves in terms of flexibility by signing Hedo as an unrestricted free agent.




BC shows that although he might be too focused on building a team of Euro jump shooters, he knows what the **** he is doing as a GM, which is more than you can say for some GMs. Now we need to pursue Kleiza hard, offer him everything you can. Getting him would potentially make the Raptors the fourth best team in the East, behind the Cavs, Celts, and Magics.

Wow Bryan Colangelo just shutted alot of doubters. He is shutting up alot of people.

[QUOTE=triangleoffense]This is another dumb move by Cuban. I find it pretty amazing that Cuban has totally destroyed his 06 Finals roster. Thats not even counting his trading of Nash to Pheonix. He first dealt away their young all-star PG that was suppose to be the future of the franchise. Howard never became the superstar that everyone was hoping he'd be and then Cuban sealed the fate of the team by firing Avery Johnson, which has the highest winning % ever by a head coach in NBA history. Now all the Mavs have is pretty much a plethora of forwards that can all do the same thing except dominate the paint. Marion was never a post up player and Howard should be played at the 3 rather than the 2, he feels way more comfortable there. And its' not like Dirk likes to take it to the paint all that often either. Its sad when your best post player is either Gortat, Bass or Dampier.[/QUOTE]
Hate much?

Mavs did this to counter the Spurs.

Lakers > Mavs > Spurs > Nuggets :lol

the thing no ones mentioned is how good a rebounding team this makes the mavs. kidd josh marion dirk damp/gortat is one hell of a rebounding lineup. Also in a little circle of life story marion ended up being the draft pick that the mavs traded the suns to get steve nash.

[QUOTE=raiderfan19]the thing no ones mentioned is how good a rebounding team this makes the mavs. kidd josh marion dirk damp/gortat is one hell of a rebounding lineup.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I was thinking.
They could even try to get Curry for Dampier to get a low post scoring option without giving up much on the rebounding departament.
(Curry's contract sucks, I know)

[QUOTE=raiderfan19]the thing no ones mentioned is how good a rebounding team this makes the mavs. kidd josh marion dirk damp/gortat is one hell of a rebounding lineup. [B]Also in a little circle of life story marion ended up being the draft pick that the mavs traded the suns to get steve nash[/B].[/QUOTE]

It's a small world :)

Kidd was also part of the trade that brought Fin to Dallas. Crazy stuff.

[QUOTE=phoenix18]How does this help the Mavericks? I dont see a defender on that starting line-up?[/QUOTE]

Right now, Marion is their best defender on perimeter and inside. So a good trade for Mavs and for Marion to get out of Toronto. I just hate to see him with the Mavs.

[QUOTE=triangleoffense]How is it hating? It's my own opinion that this was a dumb move by the Mavs... everything is still subjective until the regular season starts.



Ah thats right, sorry my mistake. Either way... Cuban didn't want to hand out Nash the cash necessary because he thought Nash wasn't worth it.. Nash received the leagues MVP twice in Pheonix as well as leading them to what was then the best turnaround season ever in the NBA (currently belongs to the 08 Celtics).[/QUOTE]

Uhhhh....Dallas went to the Finals when nash left, to my knowledge, phoenix hasn't been there since he's been the pg

Hmm. I doubt Howard will play a lot at the 2-guard. Jason terry plays a lot of minutes there, and you have to add that Howard never plays at the 2-guard. What I like about the trade is that we get a player that does not need the ball in his hands to be effective like Kidd, Howard and Dirk. Marion is the kind of player who scores on the fastbreak, on offensive rebounds, backdoor-cuts etc, while Dirk and Howard usally create their own shots. Kidd just runs the offense and Terry is also able to create his own shots.

The starting lineup will have Howard at the two guard, but we will see this lineup a lot

Jason Kidd
Jason Terry
Josh Howad
Shawn Marion
Dirk Nowitzki

^ Uh what?? Do you want Marion at PF and Nowitzki at C or the other way around?

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Uhhhh....Dallas went to the Finals when nash left, to my knowledge, phoenix hasn't been there since he's been the pg[/quote]

Your speculating. No one knows how Dallas would have fared if they would have kept Nash. Both Nash and Nowitizki has had different forms of success but I don't think many people could deny that both are perennial all-star hall of fame type players. Nash is going into the hall of fame for sure and I'm pretty sure that voters will have a hard time keeping Nowitizki out of there as well.

The Raptors could use a portion of their MLE on Marquis Daniels at shooting guard, or even go small ball with Allen Iverson at the 2 guard position.

Damm Marion's barely shot the 3 once he left Phoenix. It's going to be an interesting lineup but atleast it gives the Lakers a player to put on Kobe.

From what I can see everyone is giving the Mavs a thumbs up on this acquisition? For whatever reason I just don't see Marion being capable of getting a team over the hump, even if he's just a complementary piece. This guy reeks of an overpaid athlete who comes up small in big moments. This was a guy who had a legitimate shot at an NBA title but had to b1tch about his contract which got him sent to Miami.

This deal is getting really complicated. Apparently Orlando is in this mess with Hedo being SnT.

Turns out 11 teams are involved in the deal. Sick.

Marion will not be the piece that puts them over the top, but he's a good 3rd option that provides an array of skills. He can play defense, rebound, block shot, run the floor and he has a decent midrange game. Look for Dallas to either trade Dampier's contract, which will be a valuable asset since teams will look to get under the cap for 2010 and for luxury tax purposes if the decrease in capspace is true, for a legit 2nd option (Rip Hamilton.) Mavs could even package Dampier alongside Howard and get themselves a better player.

If one of these trades fell through, one of their starters might have to come off the bench for the good of the team.

[QUOTE=triangleoffense]From what I can see everyone is giving the Mavs a thumbs up on this acquisition? For whatever reason I just don't see Marion being capable of getting a team over the hump, even if he's just a complementary piece. This guy reeks of an overpaid athlete who comes up small in big moments. This was a guy who had a legitimate shot at an NBA title but had to b1tch about his contract which got him sent to Miami.[/QUOTE]

Why are you still whining? Marion isn't coming in as a 1st option kind of guy, hell he isn't even going to be the 3rd option. He did fine in Toronto and he should be able to flourish once again with a Nash-like point guard in Kidd. I don't recall him coming up small in any big moments, as he isn't the guy with the ball in his hands in big moments. Your arguments have been very odd in this thread, as is your constant negativety.

Oh, and one more thing. As far as their career's are concerned: Nowitzki >> Nash. Nowitzki is the lock for the HOF, not Nash.

Talk about a win/win deal across the board for everyone involved.

Dallas gets the man they wanted in Marion plus a capable PF with a good motor in Hump to replace Bass if he leaves.

Toronto gets sorely needed depth at the wing spot and their MLE back when they were about to get nothing at all for Marion if he just signed as an FA.

Orlando gets a massive Trade exception of 8M or something.

Memphis gets a couple of cheap g's and some goodwill for doing bascially nothing.

Marion gets the money he wanted that he would not have gotten as a Free Agent.

And of course Fegan gets a bigger commission cheque. :)

Very creative deal.

I think this could be good for Marion to revitalize his career for a bit after the past couple seasons. He has the type of PG that he needs and is used to playing with (Kidd) and he is playing with the superstar first option (Dirk) that puts less pressure on him to produce offensively. Good acquisition for the Mavs.

[QUOTE=triangleoffense]From what I can see everyone is giving the Mavs a thumbs up on this acquisition? For whatever reason I just don't see Marion being capable of getting a team over the hump, even if he's just a complementary piece. This guy reeks of an overpaid athlete who comes up small in big moments. This was a guy who had a legitimate shot at an NBA title but had to b1tch about his contract which got him sent to Miami.[/QUOTE]

Its a great deal for the Mavs becaus they dont trade away a lot, and gain a lot based on what they give away. I doubt we will become as good as some posters here say, but we a better chanse this season, but not really enough to be a true condender.


ps. Dirk at C and Marion at PF

I like the flexibility this gives Dallas as well.

If they want to run they can put Kidd/Terry/Howard/Marion/Dirk on the floor and that's about as good as it gets in the NBA for a run n gun team.

If they want to slow it down to a half court set they put

Kidd
Terry/Howard
Howard/Marion
Nowitzki
Gortat/Dampier

All depending on matchups.

Dallas will be a very good team this year.

Is Marion still a really good passer? He used to be the suns secondary ball handler, but somebody told me his handles and passing have been hit just as hard as his athleticism and scoring.

OK, I finally understand why the Grizzlies are involved. I couldn't figure it out.

Greg Buckner and his $4 million salary is now off the books. Grizzlies get Stackhouse, who is only guarantteed $2million, which I assume is all being paid for by Dallas.

So essentially, this trade saves the Grizzlies Buckner's entire $4million salary. Now I get it.......:applause:

Stackhouse adds more salary to Grizz's cap space number, but I guess they really don't care at this point.