protecting the ball while driving in for a lay up?

[QUOTE=50inchvertical]Are they ripping you when you get passed them poking the ball from behind while you're still trying to dribble, or are they stripping you when you get ready to go up for a layup at that point where you put both hands on the ball right before going up (I'm great at this)?
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I'm going to use this picture to illustrate

If it's the first, when you get passed a defender, don't assume all is done and he is out of the play. You're Mo Williams. Gibson's stance is slightly staggered, he's trying to force you right/middle so let's just assume you're going to take that and go middle (although, given the choice if you attack the defender's frontmost foot [in this case going to Gibson's right, your left, it'll take them longer to recover]).

Once you get fully passed him with a right handed dribble, your next dribble has to either be a crossover back to your left hand while totally cutting him off or a long dribble (far ahead of you and catching up to it), to prevent him from swinging around your right shoulder and poking it with your left hand.

As he's giving chance, you might even want to make contact with him on your back so you can feel what side of you he is on as well as seal him off from getting back in front of you (CP3 and Deron Williams are great at this), then make your next move knowing where he is and that your team now has a 5 on 4 advantage because he is totally out of the play defensively being that he is behind you.[/QUOTE]


thanks for the advices, my problem is more with when i burnt the first guy and get ready to go up (already in my steps) , i get stripped either by help defense or the guy from behind strips me. I hear what you say with making contact with people behind you and i do see CP3 do that a lot. My frustration comes when i get called offesenive foul sometimes when i "protect" the ball too much , Ref said i extend out my hand which appears to be shoving or pushing off the defender's slap. i think i am finding a cause to my problem. Maybe it's because i kind of slow down when i start taking my steps to the lay up, it allowed defense to react. but i think overall, my problem is getting better. i do go lower or higher depending on who's guarding me now.

[QUOTE=LebrickJames84'][QUOTE=Automajic23]

-The competition your playing is terrible
-Your team is amazingly good and you are getting wide open looks and taking a high volume of shots
-you were literally on fire for a day


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How tall is 623balller and how much does he weight, what's his vertical like?

to 623baller and automajic:

I believe 100% of 623baller 34 point 10 assist game. I do agree it is hard to go 30 and 10 or even 10 and 10, but not impossible.

I have a friend who is 16 years old 5'11 plays both varsity and AAu ball in the ghetto of New York. He dropped 50 points in one of his AAU games. Here's what he said happened in his own words.

[I]u can say both..i concentrated like 2hours b4 the game deep concentration..becuz i was madd we lost b4..so i said to myself we not losing..so when the game start i hit a 3 and my coach told me to do my thang
they kept switching up..man & zone
in zone thats when i killed them
cause i was hot so i was hitting crazy 3s and when they came out to me it was a punfake and 1dribble pullup or take it to the rack
i didnt even get winded that game i was that focused[/I]

About the crazy stats numbers and competition: Though the team 623baller was playing was garbage. Some players game gets better as the competition gets better. Their is no finer example then our very own lilojmayo. It doesn't matter if lilojmayo is playing against guys who don't have enough skills to play HS ball or guys 10 years older then him. He still puts up numbers. 30+ scoring games, trouble doubles, flirts with quadruple doubles. He is averaging like 31 PPG his last 5 league games.

I think dab0yech0 said lilojmayo was a 20/10 machine that is a career game for most.[/QUOTE]

5 10, 160lb, never measured my vertical but i say it's average.

i do get comments on my speed(first step and overall explosiveness),shot and distribution quite often.

the league is comprised of people from 5 8~ 6 6 (half the people in the league is 6ft +, i actually dont think height matters too much in most amaturer leauges as long as the [B]team is skilled[/B])

used to be a pass first guard type of player, then moved onto a pure shooter role, trying to evolve my game into inside and out. i think it's getting there but still some kinks i need to work out.


thanks for sharing the experience that your friend had, must be sweet to score 50 as not many can claim that. and defintely agree that 10 10 , 20 10 is pretty hard to achieve , a lot needs to happen for those #s to be there.

[QUOTE=623baller][QUOTE=LebrickJames84']

5 10, 160lb, never measured my vertical but i say it's average.

i do get comments on my speed(first step and overall explosiveness),shot and distribution quite often.

the league is comprised of people from 5 8~ 6 6 (half the people in the league is 6ft +, i actually dont think height matters too much in most amaturer leauges as long as the [B]team is skilled[/B])

used to be a pass first guard type of player, then moved onto a pure shooter role, trying to evolve my game into inside and out. i think it's getting there but still some kinks i need to work out[/QUOTE]

nah height doesn't matter much at all unless your team plays man D, then it's easy to exploit. A lot of time thought the shorter guy is stronger and if that guy shows the bigger player resistance in the post that bigger guy will give up and just fade further from the hoop.

By the sound of that I'm going to guess you're that slithery guy that can hit the 3, and somehow manage to put in a heap of midrange shots and floaters near the paint. Now that I think of it there was a short older guy in my winter league last year and he avged 22ppg, in a competitive league. I don't think he's as young and athletic as you are but he makes it proven that a good shooter and half smart player can score a lot.

And I wasn't trying to throw salt in your game before, I make these kinds of threads so people can post stories like yours. Sorry if it seemed like it, post on!

[QUOTE=Automajic23][QUOTE=623baller]

nah height doesn't matter much at all unless your team plays man D, then it's easy to exploit. A lot of time thought the shorter guy is stronger and if that guy shows the bigger player resistance in the post that bigger guy will give up and just fade further from the hoop.

By the sound of that I'm going to guess you're that slithery guy that can hit the 3, and somehow manage to put in a heap of midrange shots and floaters near the paint. Now that I think of it there was a short older guy in my winter league last year and he avged 22ppg, in a competitive league. I don't think he's as young and athletic as you are but he makes it proven that a good shooter and half smart player can score a lot.

And I wasn't trying to throw salt in your game before, I make these kinds of threads so people can post stories like yours. Sorry if it seemed like it, post on![/QUOTE]


No Problem at all man, i appreciate all comments and i definitely hear you on your view points! and i most definitely agree with you !!! i made this post so i can get all feedbacks to improve my game and for others out there with similar problem.

i basically play off my shot, i don't have a set move. i start my offense base on how defense plays me. if i m open i hit the 3, if they guard me thats where i drive in for pull up/lay up base on 2nd line of defense plays me. So unless, they have a seriously good perimeter defender to stop my shot initially, it is a hard match up.

Just keep practicing keeping your non-dribbling hand up while dribbling. Also try to be aware of it. It might not always come to you automatically in some situations, so you'll also have to think quicker.

what I do is I hold the ball with two hands but with my arms fully extended out in front of me. always draws the foul, its nearly impossible to poke the ball loose, and i expect the contact so i can hold on and finish most of the time (unless the D really hacks hard)

seen Wade do it

cuff it like a running back, jump stop..

look cool as shit.

[QUOTE=rosonviyavong]I cradle it like a running back[/QUOTE]
same here works everytime 9/10 times your getting fouled

yeah igoudala cradles like no one else. im good at stopping my dribble as soon as they start to grab, jump, hold tight with two hands, move the ball around, get hacked a bunch, they lose the ball, release and lay it up with one hand as you hit the ground. it might only work they way it does for me because i jump really high and out hang pretty much anyone, but i dont know how you play

[QUOTE=no723]what I do is I hold the ball with two hands but with my arms fully extended out in front of me. always draws the foul, its nearly impossible to poke the ball loose, and i expect the contact so i can hold on and finish most of the time (unless the D really hacks hard)

seen Wade do it[/QUOTE]
yeah i do that. then you just got get a hand off it right before you hit the ground and lay it from near your waist, easy and 1s