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[QUOTE=Xplicit]Totally forgot about that too!
MJ did it in the playoffs. Much more impressive. Kobe against the Toronto craptors in a much less meaningful game[/QUOTE]
you sir have absolutely no clue :banghead:
Jordan scored 63 in the playoffs, a double-overtime lossagainst . He scored 69 in the regular season against Cleveland.
And yes, I have seen both games (as I own the Ultimate Jordan DVD), and there is no way that you can say with a straight face that Jordan faced far better defense/better defenders.
But as you have not seen MJs game, you have no right to post in this thread. :no:
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MJ was way more impressive in scoring his. The rebounds just make it a no contest.
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[QUOTE=Xplicit]Yeah the point was you totally ignore the subject of handchecking.
Guys like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc. score 40 so often noawadays, it's almost not even news anymore when they do it. In the 90's, there werent even half-as-many 40-point occurences.
Bottom line:
Jordan getting abused all game long and still scoring 69, with 18 rebounds >>>>>> Kobe getting 81 with these corny handcheck rules.[/QUOTE]
Bottom line.
Anyone who thinks Kobe's OVERALL game was better than Jordan's is just ridiculous.
18 rebounds in a game where you scored 69 points?
Insane
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Wow, Kobe Groupies think Bryant's was more impressive while everyone else thinks Jordan's was.
SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kevin martin's 15 points in less than 6 minutes yesterday owns them all!!! :D
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[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]Bottom line.
Anyone who thinks Kobe's OVERALL game was better than Jordan's is just ridiculous.
18 rebounds in a game where you scored 69 points?
Insane[/QUOTE]
sure, the individual overall performance may be better.
However, Kobe brought his team back from -20, outscored the opposing team, and didn't even need an overtime to A score 81 and B win the game.
Scoring 69 and getting 18 rebounds, but you're still nearly losing to a non-elite team? Not a good sign.
In terms of impact, Kobe's game was far better than any game I've ever seen.
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[QUOTE=lakers-city]i think kobe's game against dallas was better than the one against toronto because it was against one hell of a team.[/QUOTE]
One hell of a team? or one hell of an offense? Dallas' offense has nothing to do with Kobe abusing Dallas' shiiitty defenders
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[QUOTE=Xplicit]One hell of a team? or one hell of an offense? Dallas' offense has nothing to do with Kobe abusing Dallas' shytty defenders[/QUOTE]
Dallas had one of the best defenses in the league last year, dumbass :hammerhead:
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For guard to grab 18 boards in a game is absolutely crazy, combine that with 69 points? Yeah that is more impressive.
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One of the best team defenses. They don't have any great one-on-one stoppers. Numerically, Dallas may been one of the better D's last year, but opposing swingmen can still carve them up. As evidenced by Wade singlehandedly eating them up in the Finals and shiiitting them out..
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Adrian Griffin is a top 10 perimeter defender in this league!
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[QUOTE=Xplicit]One of the best team defenses. They don't have any great one-on-one stoppers. Numerically, Dallas may been one of the better D's last year, but opposing swingmen can still carve them up. As evidenced by Wade singlehandedly eating them up in the Finals and shiiitting them out..[/QUOTE]
And the cavs had who? Craig Ehlo? :roll:
also, doesn't the name "Adrian Griffin" remind you of some pretty decent defensive stopper?
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Adrian Griffin is starting to age. He's not the defender he was 2-3 years ago. How many minutes a game does he actually play any more?
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[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]And the cavs had who? Craig Ehlo? :roll:
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Why are you even going to pretend like you know anything about the Cavs back then? :rolleyes:
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Bruce Bowen is lik 36 and still considered a top3 peremiter defender. You don't become a bad defender when getting older
[QUOTE]Why are you even going to pretend like you know anything about the Cavs back then? [/QUOTE]
you pretend to know how MJ was defended that game, but in the same breath are admitting that you haven't even seen the game. Do I smell hypocrit?
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[QUOTE=Xplicit]Adrian Griffin is starting to age. He's not the defender he was 2-3 years ago. How many minutes a game does he actually play any more?[/QUOTE]
Nothing to do with age. Dallas just has a deep team. He played a lot of minutes whenever Dallas faced a team with a great perimeter player.
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[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Adrian Griffin is a top 10 perimeter defender in this league![/QUOTE]
he sure proved it against kobe and wade this year.
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in all honesty, watching David Robinson win the scoring title was more fun than watching both Kobe and MJ. i'm lucky enough to have watched all 3 games (not in person)
guy needed 69 points to win the scoring title on the last day of the season......he answered with 71 points (26-41 fg).
he shouldve gone for more after he got it.
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[QUOTE=Xplicit]One hell of a team? or one hell of an offense? Dallas' offense has nothing to do with Kobe abusing Dallas' shiiitty defenders[/QUOTE]
the mavs made the finals, they beat the defending champions on their own home and then beat the suns who were great too.
06 mavericks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cavs jordan scored 69 against.
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[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]you pretend to know how MJ was defended that game, but in the same breath are admitting that you haven't even seen the game. Do I smell hypocrit?[/QUOTE]
Bullshyt. I didn't pretend anything. I even admitted I didn't see the actual 69-point game. You don't have to see that one game to see how defenders were defending MJ back then, dumbass.
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[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]sure, the individual overall performance may be better.
However, Kobe brought his team back from -20, outscored the opposing team, and didn't even need an overtime to A score 81 and B win the game.
Scoring 69 and getting 18 rebounds, but you're still nearly losing to a non-elite team? Not a good sign.
In terms of impact, Kobe's game was far better than any game I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]
You are contradicting yourself. The Cavs were actually a team that was over .500 that year, what was the Raptors record last year? While that Cavs team was not a great defensive team, it was better defensively in almost every single aspect over last year's Raptors and the junk that was guarding Kobe.
Kobe had an impressive 81, I just think 69 points on the same shooting percentage AND 18 rebounds and six assists is more impressive.
Anyways, the Jordan game starts in 1 minute. Watch and then discuss more.
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[QUOTE=MaxFly]Again, for those who have never seen the 69 point game, ESPN Classic is showing it at 7pm EST.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the heads up.
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*****, I dont get ESPN classic :cry:
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[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]And the cavs had who? Craig Ehlo? :roll:
also, doesn't the name "Adrian Griffin" remind you of some pretty decent defensive stopper?[/QUOTE]
its a shame that the young kids hate on Craig Ehlo. how much do you know about his game??? oh thats right...just the Jordan shot. :rollingeyes:
Ehlo would be a GREAT role player in today's game. he'd start for pretty much any team in today's game. he wasnt a bad defender at all either. who the hell can guard prime MJ???
in his prime he averaged 13,5,and 4. if he played in today's game those numbers would be even higher.
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[QUOTE=IGGYIVERSON] who the hell can guard prime MJ???
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joe dumars.
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[QUOTE=xxxSuperStar]You are contradicting yourself. The Cavs were actually a team that was over .500 that year, what was the Raptors record last year? While that Cavs team was not a great defensive team, it was better defensively in almost every single aspect over last year's Raptors and the junk that was guarding Kobe.
Kobe had an impressive 81, I just think 69 points on the same shooting percentage AND 18 rebounds and six assists is more impressive.
Anyways, the Jordan game starts in 1 minute. Watch and then discuss more.[/QUOTE]
I'm not contradicting myself. By no means was I saying that the Cavs were worse than the Raps or anything. Just that I'd expect a great player having the best game of his life not needing OT to win a game against a mediocre ballclub.
Kobe's 81 caused a near 40-point-swing in favour of the Lakers, making the Lakers win comfortably with the 2nd best player (Odom) being off and playing horribly all night.
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[QUOTE=lakers-city]joe dumars.[/QUOTE]
Dumars did the best job on MJ but everyone knows Jordan burned him for 40+ quite a few times.
i just laugh when people make fun of Craig Ehlo. he'd be better than half the league today.
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[QUOTE=IGGYIVERSON]its a shame that the young kids hate on Craig Ehlo. how much do you know about his game??? oh thats right...just the Jordan shot. :rollingeyes:
Ehlo would be a GREAT role player in today's game. he'd start for pretty much any team in today's game. he wasnt a bad defender at all either. who the hell can guard prime MJ???
in his prime he averaged 13,5,and 4. if he played in today's game those numbers would be even higher.[/QUOTE]
neither do I hate on Ehlo, nor am I a young kid. From what I've seen of Craig Ehlo, he's not a better defender than Adrian Griffin or Josh Howard.
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[QUOTE=IGGYIVERSON]
Ehlo would be a GREAT role player in today's game. he'd start for pretty much any team in today's game. he wasnt a bad defender at all either. who the hell can guard prime MJ???
in his prime he averaged 13,5,and 4. if he played in today's game those numbers would be even higher.[/QUOTE]
You have to be consistent. You can't say that Ehlo would have been a great role player and then say that he would have averaged better than 13, 5 and 4. That's a second or third option...
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[QUOTE=MaxFly]You have to be consistent. You can't say that Ehlo would have been a great role player and then say that he would have averaged better than 13, 5 and 4. That's a second or third option...[/QUOTE]
in today's game, he's definitely a legit 3rd option.....at least early 90s Ehlo is.
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[QUOTE=IGGYIVERSON]in today's game, he's definitely a legit 3rd option.....at least early 90s Ehlo is.[/QUOTE]
Well if so, you can't say that he would be a role player. A thrid option and a role player aren't consistent descriptions.
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plus, jordan did it against much better competition. kobe did it against the hopeless raptors
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yea, sure the cavs were completely owning the league :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=lakers-city]yea, sure the cavs were completely owning the league :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone said they were, but they were a playoff caliber team in a much slower game.
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being a playoffs caliber team in the east doesnt mean much, it never has.
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You're insane. You claim you've been watching basketball since the 80's and say some stupid shat like that? The East have owned the West for many stretches in the last 20 years.
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the bulls aside the west has COMPLETELY dominated the lame east.
lakers have 8 championships since 1980.
houston has 2
spurs have 3
since 1999 to 2005 the lakers and spurs won 6 of 7 championships. in the 90's (jordan's era of dominance the west won 3 rings as well) in the 80's the lakers (western powerhouse) had 5 rings and 9 finals appearences.
russell's era side the east has always been weaker than the west, i dont see how that is even debateable
and this isnt about championships, this is about teams, the east has always had less strong teams than the west which is why bad teams make the playoffs, the bulls once made the playoffs with a 30-52 record for christs sake, thats how weak the east has been for the last 2 1/2 decades.
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Yeah, but you're simply looking at Finals winners. Miami just won the title, but you wouldn't say the East was better than the West this year, would you?
The East have had more quality teams from the late 80's all the way to the late 90's. It's not just the Bulls. The championship Pistons of the early 90's were a quality team. Same with the Pat Riley Knicks all the way through the 90's. Teams that make the playoffs and go deep in the playoffs every year.
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Since you like looking at Finals winners so much.... Just remember: If Jordan didn't retire for baseball, the East would've ran a decade of championships (from the Bad Boy Pistons to what would've been 8 straight rings for Chicago) without the West winning one.
