His head got above the rim on a dunk vs. The bulls.
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His head got above the rim on a dunk vs. The bulls.
dnt worry guys,Bron's just coasting and playin really smart basketball...id rather hav him look a lil less explosive and a lil less exciting as long as cavs continue to win and eventually get that CHIP...
[QUOTE=mlh1981]I disagree with the premise of this topic. Is LeBron James still the [B]exact[/B] same, explosive athlete he was at 19? Maybe he's lost 5-10 percent of that (maybe--if that)), but he's gotten smarter as a basketball player, added to his repetoire, and[B] is still an athletic freak when compared to most everyone else in the leagu[/B]e[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that at all, but it just seems weird that he'd start to look like he's declining before turning 25...
[QUOTE=madmax]:roll: at this thread...dude is playing at an all time great level, and some d-bags are wondering what is wrong with him LOL. Do you know how many back to back games Cavs had so far? Maybe he is just saving energy and playing smart basketball? Or is that so hard to grasp...[/QUOTE]
Did anyone mention anything about him playing bad? Not once was there a mention of him not playing like the best in the league, so your first statement means nothing. About your second point, if you took the time to actually read the first post you would've come across this
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I've also noticed that he doesn't seem to try as hard to jump very high, but I'm not sure if I'm right
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so clearly that idea was already brought up, and I was asking others for their opinions, you know, how a basketball forum is supposed to operate...
All you have to do is look up LeBron James on youtube and find his dunks from this season to know he didn't lose any vertical. I say he is saving his energy for the dunk contest.
no one has said lebron james is playing bad this season. nobody has said lebron james is on the decline.... all we're saying is he's not as explosive as he was in seasons past. lol @ pacing himself... there's a huge difference between picking your spots and not having the ability to elevate. i figured most people on ish wouldn't notice, but for the people who have watched him since coming into the league it's quite obvious...
this thread is just ridiculous. There is no decline in his athleticism, you see it less because he is involving his teammates more and controlling the ball less. If this was true, Lebron would probably be the first player to start declining at 25 without a major injury.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]no one has said lebron james is playing bad this season. nobody has said lebron james is on the decline.... all we're saying is he's not as explosive as he was in seasons past. lol @ pacing himself... there's a huge difference between picking your spots and not having the ability to elevate. i figured most people on ish wouldn't notice, but for the people who have watched him since coming into the league it's quite obvious...[/QUOTE]
He started in the NBA when he was 18 and has not missed any major time. He has had three full summers of additional Team USA play and his off-season workouts are becoming legendary - (nobody needs to hate on that fact...he's just a hard worker).
He has had additional season time in the playoffs.
In addition, he is 6-8 and listed at 250. He's not a Kobe, CP3, TParker body type. The fact that he flies the way he does is freakish...it will not last forever.
LBJ learns at least one major lesson per year and adds it to his knowledge: Last year's lesson was that nobody gets a prize for working your --- off in the regular season and being the best team. So...this year he is going to jump start the team every game...work on his jump shut a little more in the middle quarters...and save some for a needed 4th quarter surge. By doing that, they all hope to have some in the tank in April/May/June...because this team will need it. In addition, they need to have some 4th quarter leads in order to get some rest.
He will never not play hard, but he will not dine and dash for 48 minutes every game anymore....saving some for the playoffs.
[QUOTE=Dave3]Dude, he looks like he's barely getting off the ground compared to his former self. Before his head would be rim level on most of his dunks, right now it looks like he's barely getting up there. He's quick I guess, but doesn't get up high.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but I'm pretty sure he is saving it for the Slam Dunk Contest. :lol
[QUOTE=nbastatus]I agree, but I'm pretty sure he is saving it for the Slam Dunk Contest. :lol[/QUOTE]
I never said that's not a possibility, but I'm just asking around.
[QUOTE=Dave3]I never said that's not a possibility, but I'm just asking around.[/QUOTE]
Remember when Lebron's athleticism seemed to be worse in 2007? Was that really the case (I'm 99% sure it was, I thought the same thing myself without going on message boards), and what was the reason for it? Maybe he's experiencing the same thing again right now.
Lebron was most explosive in his second and third years. Then obviously he gained a lot of weight. I think he has been as quick as ever this season though.
[QUOTE=StroShow4][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tv0-uvQKIw]Highlights from tonight's game[/url]
He looks pretty f@cking explosive to me. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: at the post up at :39-:41. Looks so robotic and coarse.
I think it has to do with him bieng too passive earlier this season, and him bieng too damn heavy for a wingman. 270 pounds is too heavy for a wingman, especially for LeBron's playing style who gets banged up inside the paint and relies on his explosiveness. He should consider going back down to around 250, if he wants to play a long healthy career.
05-06 was his most explosive year, he was dunking on everyone that year. Since then I think his leaping ability hasn't been the same, though his speed and quickness has remained the same. You also have to remember he's gotten alot stronger since then. And ALOT heavier, playng around 265-275. If he would lose weight and go back to 250, then I think he would be more explosive.
Could you imagine his vertical and explosiveness if he was around 200 lbs like MJ :eek:. No way in hell MJ can retain that level of quickness and leaping ability if he put on as much weight as Lebron (relative to his height of course, so probably like 235-240). Another reason why Lebron is a better athlete imo.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Could you imagine his vertical and explosiveness if he was around 200 lbs like MJ :eek:. No way in hell MJ can retain that level of quickness and leaping ability if he put on as much weight as Lebron (relative to his height of course, so probably like 235-240). Another reason why Lebron is a better athlete imo.[/QUOTE]
LeBron's the GOAT athlete. Duh. But athleticism only gets you so far. Look at Kobe. Physically, he's no different from Michael Finley and Ray Allen. Yet, he's been a superior player.
Yeh, long term, Lebron weighing 270 is really really bad for his knees. It doesnt matter how hard this guy works, you cant strengthen your knees and they always go out eventually. Lebron works really hard all over the court and gets up really high, coming down with 270 of eight on those knees over and over every game is not good for him if he wants to keep his explosiveness for longer.
I think even 250 is going to hurt this guy, if he went down to 240 he would still be stronger than most guys his size, have a quickness advantage over all of them, and put less stress on his knees, which means his athleticism will last longer.
[QUOTE=BallersTalk]LeBron's the GOAT athlete. Duh. But athleticism only gets you so far. Look at Kobe. Physically, he's no different from Michael Finley and Ray Allen. Yet, he's been a superior player.[/QUOTE]
thou sho wilt chamberlain fool lol
kobe's body control was superior to finley and allen... btw it's always funny when people mention kobe's athleticism and take offense when you're essentially complementing him.
[QUOTE=sixer6ad]He started in the NBA when he was 18 and has not missed any major time. He has had three full summers of additional Team USA play and his off-season workouts are becoming legendary - (nobody needs to hate on that fact...he's just a hard worker).
He has had additional season time in the playoffs.
In addition, he is 6-8 and listed at 250. He's not a Kobe, CP3, TParker body type. The fact that he flies the way he does is freakish...it will not last forever.
LBJ learns at least one major lesson per year and adds it to his knowledge: Last year's lesson was that nobody gets a prize for working your --- off in the regular season and being the best team. So...this year he is going to jump start the team every game...work on his jump shut a little more in the middle quarters...and save some for a needed 4th quarter surge. By doing that, they all hope to have some in the tank in April/May/June...because this team will need it. In addition, they need to have some 4th quarter leads in order to get some rest.
He will never not play hard, but he will not dine and dash for 48 minutes every game anymore....saving some for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
what? he might be pacing himself, but i don't see why we would jump more slowly when driving to the hoop. :oldlol: again, he's still a freak athlete so this argument is next to pointless. people have just noticed he's not finishing as many freak layups as he was in seasons past
[QUOTE=BallersTalk]LeBron's the GOAT athlete. Duh. But athleticism only gets you so far. Look at Kobe. Physically, he's no different from Michael Finley and Ray Allen. Yet, he's been a superior player.[/QUOTE]
This is a lie. Kobe at this stage is as quick and explosive as those players were in their primes. If your talking peak Kobe, he was a level above those guys. He was only under the guys like Vince, T Mac, Wade, Bron and possibly J Rich when at his best in terms of complete athleticism.
[QUOTE=che guevara]Remember when Lebron's athleticism seemed to be worse in 2007[/QUOTE]
Umm...not really. His play had fallen off compared to 05-06 because of lack of effort and teams guarding him better. These are his Top 10 dunks from 06-07: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dCrWZmHArU[/url]. Clearly, he was as explosive as ever.
And :lol @ those still living in denial about his athletic regression this season, even though the visual evidence is so overwhelming in every game he's played. Try to find me one EXPLOSIVE dunk/layup LeBron's made in a halfcourt setting this season where he jumps really HIGH and gets off the ground quick(you know, like he used to the previous 6 seasons of his career). Go ahead.
i think most of you are just used to lebron's mannerisms now. nothing he can do to surprise you in terms of explosion.
[QUOTE=DuMa]i think most of you are just used to lebron's mannerisms now. nothing he can do to surprise you in terms of explosion.[/QUOTE]
Not really. It's an objective comparison to previous abilities. Mind you, for all we know LeBron has all his explosion and is opting to be more careful and not jump as high as possible on every dunk, but it's evident he hasn't been getting as high as he used to last year.
steriods are starting to take a toll on his bones making them more brittle.
I kid, I kid.
Its the extra weight hes carrying.
[QUOTE=KAJ=GOAT]Its the extra weight hes carrying.[/QUOTE]
What I was about to say.
The dude needs to drop some weight. He's pushing 265/270, that's what Kendrick Perkins weighs.
Get it down to like 240/245.
[QUOTE=cotdt]LeBron's [U]more of a jumpshooter now[/U]. He [U]want to be like Kobe. Be like Kobe.[/U][/QUOTE]
You are a complete idiot. If he wanted a lethal jumper (if that's what your illiterate post was meant to say) why wouldn't he want to be like Ray Allen, Gilbert arenas??
32 PTS
7 RBS
9 AST
IF he has temporarily lost some of his explosiveness then I eagerly await when it returns
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Umm...not really. His play had fallen off compared to 05-06 because of lack of effort and teams guarding him better. These are his Top 10 dunks from 06-07: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dCrWZmHArU[/url]. Clearly, he was as explosive as ever.
And :lol @ those still living in denial about his athletic regression this season, even though the visual evidence is so overwhelming in every game he's played. Try to find me one EXPLOSIVE dunk/layup LeBron's made in a halfcourt setting this season where he jumps really HIGH and gets off the ground quick(you know, like he used to the previous 6 seasons of his career). Go ahead.[/QUOTE]
He is rusty obviously, has a few more pounds then would be ideal.
Look at the rounds those dunks were made, not so early in the season - players were fitter, used to the demanding schedule of NBA life. Give LeBron time and he will get back into his ideal weight range and be as explosive as ever.
[QUOTE=StroShow4][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tv0-uvQKIw]Highlights from tonight's game[/url]
He looks pretty f@cking explosive to me. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
BEAST
Does anyone know how many minutes/games he's played so far in the NBA? He came into the league when he was 18 and has played starter minutes (35+ pg) ever since his first tip. For those of us who are old enough to remember (lol) Lebron's first possession was a successful tip ball and then a dunk on the other end. He's played 7 seasons of NBA basketball already and will soon qualify to be paid the vets minimum.
[QUOTE=triangleoffense]Does anyone know how many minutes/games he's played so far in the NBA? He came into the league when he was 18 and has played starter minutes (35+ pg) ever since his first tip. For those of us who are old enough to remember (lol) Lebron's first possession was a successful tip ball and then a dunk on the other end. He's played 7 seasons of NBA basketball already and will soon qualify to be paid the vets minimum.[/QUOTE]
Including postseason, he's already played 545 games. In the regular season, he's played 19673 minutes, 22302 including postseason. Wear and tear could be an explanation for the athletic decline.
its kinda hard to get up with jash on ur balls
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Of course he didn't need to jump high in order to DUNK the ball. There's never a reason to jump as high as great leapers do! But they still do because they CAN. Why would LeBron suddenly stop at 24? Only if he CAN'T, and [B]through 14 games he's clearly shown that he CAN'T[/B].[/QUOTE]
He can't or he won't? Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he cannot do it. Don't be so narrow minded.
Like a lot of others have mentioned, his weight might play a big factor in his leaping ability. Maybe conserving himself for the playoffs... maybe wear and tear... I think it's a combination of the above. In the end it doesn't really matter, he is still able to produce efficiently for his team.
[QUOTE=inclinerator]its kinda hard to get up with jash on ur balls[/QUOTE]
That's another 45 pounds to pull up with you.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]That's another 45 pounds to pull up with you.[/QUOTE]
Which to LeBron shouldn't be that much right?
he still looks pretty dangerous to me
[QUOTE=Dave3]Which to LeBron shouldn't be that much right?[/QUOTE]
Well he's got to be used to it by now. Maybe PB gained some weight recently and that's what's causing LeBron's issues.
[QUOTE=inclinerator]its kinda hard to get up with jash on ur balls[/QUOTE]
:roll:
I have noticed zero difference. He still gets way up there if he wants to.
I heard he can't even touch the ring anymore, and he's just grazing the backboard when he tries to do board taps.
again, idiots saying he's choosing not to jump as high... WOW