Trade! Wizards get Josh Howard, Mavericks get Caron Butler in 7-player deal

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Hey Dip shyt look at the Rings you dumb summa of a bytch. Who cares about the reg season the Mavs have yet to show they have the HEART to win in the post season you limp bytch[/QUOTE]

This is fun


Hey fvcknutz, I thought we were talking about the PRESENT. . . where-in the Spurs are a discombobulate bunch of walker-using AARP members. We beat them in the playoffs last year and in 06, and we'll do it again. I WISH we draw them in the first round. We'll have HCA that's for sure. SUCKITBITCH!!

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Hey Dip shyt look at the Rings you dumb summa of a bytch. Who cares about the reg season the Mavs have yet to show they have the HEART to win in the post season you limp bytch[/QUOTE]


LOL, typical Spurs posteruing BS "4 RINGS, nah nah nah nah!!" Go home you old fart bags!

Kent,

Why do you hang out in this hell hole?

[QUOTE=greensborohill]Kent,

Why do you hang out in this hell hole?[/QUOTE]
They have some good posters here. Their dumb ones aren't any worse than some of the fools at db.com. Plus I like hearing others teams fans opinions.

But to be honest, I use the OTC more than anything here b/c the one at db has turned into a "how can we rag on Obama today?" section

[QUOTE=greensborohill]This is fun


Hey fvcknutz, I thought we were talking about the PRESENT. . . where-in the Spurs are a discombobulate bunch of walker-using AARP members. We beat them in the playoffs last year and in 06, and we'll do it again. I WISH we draw them in the first round. We'll have HCA that's for sure. SUCKITBITCH!![/QUOTE]


Hey you just learned about basketball in 2000 . The mavs have yet to prove anything but that they can choke in the big games give me Duncan,parker,Ginno and the cast over the Mavs in a big game any day over Dirk the whimp and the Punksters any day you dumb Sum of a Bytch

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Hey you just learned about basketball in 2000 . The mavs have yet to prove anything but that they can choke in the big games give me Duncan,parker,Ginno and the cast over the Mavs in a big game any day over Dirk the whimp and the Punksters any day you dumb Sum of a Bytch[/QUOTE]


Game 7 in ot on the Spurs home floor says otherwise. But whatevs. Stay deluded if you want.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Hey you just learned about basketball in 2000 . The mavs have yet to prove anything but that they can choke in the big games give me Duncan,parker,Ginno and the cast over the Mavs in a big game any day over Dirk the whimp and the Punksters any day you dumb Sum of a Bytch[/QUOTE]


Even Spurs fans aren't as delusional as you

[url]http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146610[/url]

[QUOTE=greensborohill]Even Spurs fans aren't as delusional as you

[url]http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146610[/url][/QUOTE]


When the Mavs and Dirk win a title than I will give proops until then they will be know as the chokers

[QUOTE=Niquesports]When the Mavs and Dirk win a title than I will give proops until then they will be know as the chokers[/QUOTE]


In that case, don't give Denver, Clev, Orl, Atl, etc. any props, fvck head. Fvck you and your double standard.

[QUOTE=greensborohill]In that case, don't give Denver, Clev, Orl, Atl, etc. any props, fvck head. Fvck you and your double standard.[/QUOTE]


Hey you lil dip shyt I never gave Denver,Clev,Orl, Atl any props dumb sack of shyt for brains if you get off Dirk dyck and look at it for waht it is you would say lets just wait and see what happens in the big games. But noooooooooooooooo your dumb azz wants to look at the reg season you dumb sum of a bytch learn the game there is a reason that Magic,Kobe,MJ,Bird,Russ,isiah,Duncan have rings and Dirk doesnt it called"HEART" something your dumb azz lacks I can see

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Hey you lil dip shyt I never gave Denver,Clev,Orl, Atl any props dumb sack of shyt for brains if you get off Dirk dyck and look at it for waht it is you would say lets just wait and see what happens in the big games. But noooooooooooooooo your dumb azz wants to look at the reg season you dumb sum of a bytch learn the game there is a reason that Magic,Kobe,MJ,Bird,Russ,isiah,Duncan have rings and Dirk doesnt it called"HEART" something your dumb azz lacks I can see[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TCdErEO7OCM/RnKYz5sfTSI/AAAAAAAAAHs/LASfGdzKRSc/s400/DirkManu.jpg[/IMG]

Game 7 . . . . shut the fvck up young b!tch

[QUOTE=greensborohill][IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TCdErEO7OCM/RnKYz5sfTSI/AAAAAAAAAHs/LASfGdzKRSc/s400/DirkManu.jpg[/IMG]

Game 7 . . . . shut the fvck up young b!tch[/QUOTE]
lol

A lot of WC teams need to thank Dallas for beating the Spurs time and time again during the PO's. It seems Dallas really has their number.

Poor Dirk, if not for the Dwade parade and Don Nelson he'd have at least 1 chip, and all these haters disappear

[QUOTE=greensborohill][IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TCdErEO7OCM/RnKYz5sfTSI/AAAAAAAAAHs/LASfGdzKRSc/s400/DirkManu.jpg[/IMG]

Game 7 . . . . shut the fvck up young b!tch[/QUOTE]


Wow Was this for a Ring thats whats wrong with you dumb young fans do you think Magic,MJ,Bird Russell Kobe would be happy with winning a series no no no no NO you stupid young sum ov a bytch win a Ring and then talk shyt Hey last I looked Duncan has 4 how many Dirk got oh his crack head lover got them has hed ever won anything

[QUOTE=kurple]Haywood hasn't been better than Gooden this season..

And I'm not sure Butler is that much of an upgrade.

Butler is more of a turnoverprone and is used to play 35mpg and someone will have to see reduced play time = possible chemestry issues[/QUOTE]
Anyone who plays with Jason will be an upgrade, Kidd needs the slashers

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Wow Was this for a Ring thats whats wrong with you dumb young fans do you think Magic,MJ,Bird Russell Kobe would be happy with winning a series no no no no NO you stupid young sum ov a bytch win a Ring and then talk shyt Hey last I looked Duncan has 4 how many Dirk got oh his crack head lover got them has hed ever won anything[/QUOTE]


Your attempt at trolling and diverting is pathetic.

You came in and said this trade doesn't make them better than the Spurs. The Mavs currently lead the season series vs the Spurs. They are higher in the standings. They kicked the hell out of them in the playoffs last year. Yet your reasoning for the Spurs being better THIS year is they have some titles from a few years ago. Never mind you said they have never won a big game and when we rightly point out they took the Spurs on their court in a game 7 you backpeddled it to "oh well that's not a title so it's not a big game and doesn't count.". What are you? 12 years old?

I am in awe of your incredible basketball intellect.

[QUOTE=kentatm]Your attempt at trolling and diverting is pathetic.

You came in and said this trade doesn't make them better than the Spurs. The Mavs currently lead the season series vs the Spurs. They are higher in the standings. They kicked the hell out of them in the playoffs last year. Yet your reasoning for the Spurs being better THIS year is they have some titles from a few years ago. Never mind you said they have never won a big game and when we rightly point out they took the Spurs on their court in a game 7 you backpeddled it to "oh well that's not a title so it's not a big game and doesn't count.". What are you? 12 years old?

I am in awe of your incredible basketball intellect.[/QUOTE]

THank you for your awe
Any one that know basketball understand there are 2 seasons
the Mavs have yet to prove they are championship players
If I had to bet my money on
DIrk and the Mav
agqinst Duncan and the Spurs
Im taking the Spurs

[QUOTE=Niquesports]THank you for your awe
Any one that know basketball understand there are 2 seasons
the Mavs have yet to prove they are championship players
If I had to bet my money on
DIrk and the Mav
agqinst Duncan and the Spurs
Im taking the Spurs[/QUOTE]
I'm a huge Timmy fan but they have no chance against the Mavs, Nuggets, Lakers, or even the Jazz unless they make a huge adjustment or trade. Opposing c's/pf's routinely murder the Spurs because Duncan is too slow to guard them one on one and and the Spurs C's are mostly undersized. Spurs also play inconsistent ball through 4 quarters and have had a hard time closing out games against good teams. For example, they had that game against the Mavs where they straight up owned them for three straight quarters but lost when Dirk went off in the 4th with three after three. Too many times I have seen the Spurs get behind, then come back from a lead to tie or go ahead, but then blow it in the end. They also have a huge problem balancing out proper rotations and don't have anyone to limit the opposing teams best player in the perimeter or front court. Ginobili's and Parker's play have both been inconsistent also, not to mention Jefferson and Dice not clicking at all. Duncan, Hill, and maybe Mason have really been the only truly consistent players for San Antonio this season.

Honestly Haywood would have been a nice addition for the Spurs as they need a big to help protect the rim with Duncan. Unless they get a tall big at C or everything starts clicking for the Spurs, I can only see them going to the second round at best.

This is good s[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it. We'll be able to definitely challenge the Lakers and probably get past Denver with this trade.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]THank you for your awe
Any one that know basketball understand there are 2 seasons
the Mavs have yet to prove they are championship players
If I had to bet my money on
DIrk and the Mav
agqinst Duncan and the Spurs
Im taking the Spurs[/QUOTE]

and yet the the last two times they met in the playoffs Dallas beat them on their own floor in a game 7 that went to OT and then they completly smashed them last year. Dallas was built to beat SA and matches up extremely well with them. SA has never been able to check Dirk even when they had Bowen. So the best they could do was hope Bowen slowed him and they focused mainly on stopping Terry and hoped nobody else picked up the scoring.

Now that they have nobody that can even bother Dirk, they pretty much have to outscore the Mavs instead of stoping them defensivly. As constructed they simply are not good enough to do that. If Jefferson wasn't such a big bust it would be different but the dude has been a complete void for them.

[QUOTE=Hawker]This is good s[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it. We'll be able to definitely challenge the Lakers and probably get past Denver with this trade.[/QUOTE]


Probably get past denver? Get real, nugs wish they could play dallas in the 1st AND 2nd rounds- there is nothing that any logical person could see that should make you think dallas could beat denver

unstickied?

lol...I looked for this thread...I guess if it was stickied that is why I didn't see it...

go figure


so the Wiz are just trying to unload Butler's salary I see?

okay...

[QUOTE=1~Gibson~1]well maybe they just want to cut salary and start over. Gilbo + Caron + Jamison didnt get the job done so now it's time for the Wiz to rebuild i guess :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

this.

what they really need to do is dump G-Bert's contract. Somehow find a way to void that sh!t.

once they get rid of the oldies and the bad contracts, they can finally rebuild a new team.

and take this Dallas-San Antonio BS outta here...no1 cares

[QUOTE=kentatm]Your attempt at trolling and diverting is pathetic.

You came in and said this trade doesn't make them better than the Spurs. The Mavs currently lead the season series vs the Spurs. They are higher in the standings. They kicked the hell out of them in the playoffs last year. Yet your reasoning for the Spurs being better THIS year is they have some titles from a few years ago. Never mind you said they have never won a big game and when we rightly point out they took the Spurs on their court in a game 7 you backpeddled it to "oh well that's not a title so it's not a big game and doesn't count.". What are you? 12 years old?

I am in awe of your incredible basketball intellect.[/QUOTE]

Spurs fans logic for every argument is the titles they won a few years ago.

Are they even under the cap after this move? The Wiz I mean. What will their situation be for the big summer of free agents?

looks like the west got tougher...if haywood and butler are sent to dallas thats a pretty good deal for them...top 4 team...

[QUOTE=RapsFan]Are they even under the cap after this move? The Wiz I mean. What will their situation be for the big summer of free agents?[/QUOTE]

if Dallas also trades their TE for Oberto as dallasbasketball.com is guessing, the Wiz will be under the cap for this year.

[QUOTE=RapsFan]Are they even under the cap after this move? The Wiz I mean. What will their situation be for the big summer of free agents?[/QUOTE]
A lot of that depends on the decision on Arenas and whether he can be voided.

Counting Arenas they'll have 35 mill on the books in the summer...meaning about 17-20 mill in cap space.

Its official now.

I find it strange that the Wiz couldn't find a team to offer them more, if they were just looking to dump them anyway...

Is this where us Mavs fans should be greatful that we have an owner like Cuban who will take on any contract without care???

go CUBAN!!!

:applause:


should take a few weeks to gell...after that it should be interesting to see what this team will be like...

Josh Howard has a team option right so Wizards could just kill his deal and this is basically 3 expirers?

[url]http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/trade_100213.html[/url]

Washington Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the team has acquired Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, James Singleton and Quinton Ross from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

"This trade gave us a good opportunity to change our short-term future and improve our long-term future," said Grunfeld. "It accomplished two goals by giving us financial flexibility and bringing a new look and energy to the roster."

Howard has averaged 12.5 points and 3.6 rebounds in 31 games for the Mavericks this season. He missed 19 games due to a left ankle injury and left wrist surgery and also missed two games due to a left thigh contusion and stomach illness. The seventh-year swingman holds career averages of 15.3 points and 6.0 rebounds in 431 games (all with Dallas) and was named to the 2007 All-Star Team. He was originally acquired by the Mavericks in the first round (29th pick) of the 2003 Draft.

Gooden, in his eighth season, has averaged 8.9 points, 6.9 rebounds and 1.1 blocks in 46 games Dallas this season. The 6-10 forward/center has career averages of 11.8 points and 7.8 rebounds over 556 games in stints with Orlando (twice), Memphis, Cleveland (twice), Chicago (twice), San Antonio, Sacramento and Dallas. He was signed as a free agent by Dallas prior to this season and was originally a first round draft pick (fourth overall) by Memphis in 2002.

Ross, a 6-6 swingman, has averaged 2.0 points and 1.0 rebounds in 27 games with the Mavericks this season. He is in his sixth season overall and holds career averages of 4.5 points and 2.3 rebounds in 397 career games with the L.A. Clippers, Memphis and Dallas. Ross, who was undrafted out of SMU, was signed as a free agent by Dallas prior to this season. Singleton, a 6-8 forward, has averaged 2.4 points and 2.2 rebounds in 25 games this season. He holds career averages of 3.3 points and 3.1 rebounds over four NBA seasons (two each with the Clippers and Mavericks). Singleton, who was undrafted out of Murray State, has played overseas in Spain and Italy and was originally acquired by Dallas as a free agent prior to the 2008-09 season.

"Our four new players bring versatility and the experience of playing in a winning situation," said Grunfeld. "Josh and Quinton can each play both the shooting guard and small forward positions while providing athleticism and outside shooting. Drew can play both the power forward and center positions and he and James give us an inside presence that combines skill and toughness."

Butler departs after spending four-and-a-half seasons with the Wizards, during which he compiled averages of 19.0 points, 6.6 rebounds and 3.5 assists in 310 games. He was originally acquired by the team along with Chucky Atkins from the L.A. Lakers in exchange for Kwame Brown and LaRon Profit prior to the 2005-06 season. Haywood was the longest-tenured player on the Wizards roster prior to the trade, spending eight-and-a-half seasons with the team, and leaves with averages of 7.7 points, 6.3 rebounds and 1.5 blocks in 579 games while ranking third all-time in franchise history in field goal percentage (.561), fourth all-time in blocked shots and sixth all-time in rebounds and games played. He was originally acquired from the Orlando Magic in exchange for LaRon Profit and a first-round pick prior to the 2001-02 season. Stevenson spent three-and-a-half seasons with the Wizards, compiling averages of 9.0 points, 3.6 rebounds and 3.3 assists in 236 games. He was originally signed by the Wizards as a free agent prior to the 2006-07 season.

"Caron, Brendan and DeShawn all made significant contributions to this franchise and this community, but we felt this opportunity was too good to pass up," said Grunfeld. "We wish all three players the best and thank them for what they helped us accomplish during their tenures with the Wizards."

great trade for the mavs.

as a laker fan I wasn't worried about them before but I am now.

its pretty much between the lakers, nuggets and mavs as to who will represent the west.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Josh Howard has a team option right so Wizards could just kill his deal and this is basically 3 expirers?[/QUOTE]
4 expirers. Howard, Ross. Singleton, Gooden.

they shouldv'e kept gooden. He's been productive this season

The Mavs just became a real threat.

Woah, finally a trade happens!

People really forget about Haywood, He's solid pretty much every night.

Wow, loving this trade for the Mavs, and I guess the Wiz got what they wanted and will save some salary.

From a Spurs fans perspective... I hate this trade... If it was just a Howard for Butler swap that's one thing, but Haywood included changes it from a 'good' trade to a 'great' one... Props to the Mavs and Cuban for making aggressive moves.