Michael Jordan to return for the 2012/2013 season?

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Except Jordan at 40 used basically no athleticism either, so where would the big decline come from. If he got in shape he wouldn't be weaker, and if he was healthy he'd still be able to shoot. :oldlol: at 5 ppg on 35% shooting.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UupUDYeNqQ[/url]


No athleticism? Not really dude.
Look how easily he got up at age 40 with ****ed up knees.
If his knees are recoverd his athletic ability woulldn't be far away from what it was back then.
Under the rules introduced in 05 Jord

I live in Charlotte and haven't really heard anything....

That said, he would average over 5 points... He could still hit the post up fadeaway and would be at around 12-15 per game easily.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Except Jordan at 40 used basically no athleticism either, so where would the big decline come from. If he got in shape he wouldn't be weaker, and if he was healthy he'd still be able to shoot. :oldlol: at 5 ppg on 35% shooting.[/QUOTE]

Some of you are honestly delusional thinking a 50 year old can impact the game better than most of the bench players in the league currently...

If at 50 he's not weaker, he'll be slower, if he's not slower, he'll be weaker. His shot won't be as good as it was when he was with the Wizards, not to mention he won't be able to get the same looks...

Who's game at 40 is based on athleticism? No one...
His decline would come from naturally being slower, weaker, less responsive, less coordinated, less conditioned, not having the skills he once had. What more do you want?

Do you honestly think MJ could come in the league and do better than say Will Bynum or Flip Murray?

The NBA forum is getting dumber (if that's even possible), and even some of the better posters seem to have been hit...

I'll copy and paste this one more time, just to see if it finally gets through...

Are you kidding me? Take a look at most players from their peak (usually around 28), and 8 years later at 35-36... Wilt dropped off by 20ppg, Kareem by 9ppg, Magic dropped off dramatically, Oscar's ppg halved in the time, Larry dropped off by 8ppg, Shaq's ppg halved from 28ppg to 14ppg, Hakeem's ppg was cut in half, etc.

Now take that same gradual deterioration with a 40/41 year old to 49... Not 27/28-35/36, but 40ish to 49ish...

[QUOTE=plowking]Some of you are honestly delusional thinking a 50 year old can impact the game better than most of the bench players in the league currently...

If at 50 he's not weaker, he'll be slower, if he's not slower, he'll be weaker. His shot won't be as good as it was when he was with the Wizards, not to mention he won't be able to get the same looks...

Who's game at 40 is based on athleticism? No one...
His decline would come from naturally being slower, weaker, less responsive, less coordinated, less conditioned, not having the skills he once had. What more do you want?

Do you honestly think MJ could come in the league and do better than say Will Bynum or Flip Murray?[/QUOTE]

50 year olds don't lose noticeable strength if they work out. I know plenty of 50 years way stronger than your average 20-something year old. Why would his jumpshot look much worse? It's not like 50 years old are unable to duplicate the proper form ona jumpshot. Look at MJ in the video vs Wallace and Richardson that I posted. He still looks good there.

Considering this is the man widely considered the rgeatest to ever play the game and considering how good he looked vs Wallace and J-Rich in practice, 5 ppg on 35% shooting is laughable.

I'm not saying he'd be as good as he was with Washington, but he'd still be able to make some fadeaway's mid range j's, get a steal every once and while because of his great anticipation and his passing ability wouldn't have gone away. Not to mention the softer rules.

He'd still be a decent player.

Jordan allready has proved age is'nt a big barrier. at 40 he was averaging big numbers with the Wizards. he dosent need to prove anything to anyone.

[QUOTE=plowking]The NBA forum is getting dumber (if that's even possible), and even some of the better posters seem to have been hit...

I'll copy and paste this one more time, just to see if it finally gets through...

Are you kidding me? Take a look at most players from their peak (usually around 28), and 8 years later at 35-36... Wilt dropped off by 20ppg, Kareem by 9ppg, Magic dropped off dramatically, Oscar's ppg halved in the time, Larry dropped off by 8ppg, Shaq's ppg halved from 28ppg to 14ppg, Hakeem's ppg was cut in half, etc.

Now take that same gradual deterioration with a 40/41 year old to 49... Not 27/28-35/36, but 40ish to 49ish...[/QUOTE]


Actually Magic didn't. His points/rebounds/assists per minute in 96 were close to would they were in 91. And he was totally out of shape. If he had been in better physical shape he would have been almost the same as in 91.

LOL, if he did come back he would be playing 15 minutes a game IMO. Maximum.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]50 year olds don't lose noticeable strength if they work out. I know plenty of 50 years way stronger than your average 20-something year old. Why would his jumpshot look much worse? It's not like 50 years old are unable to duplicate the proper form ona jumpshot. Look at MJ in the video vs Wallace and Richardson that I posted. He still looks good there.

Considering this is the man widely considered the rgeatest to ever play the game and considering how good he looked vs Wallace and J-Rich in practice, 5 ppg on 35% shooting is laughable.

I'm not saying he'd be as good as he was with Washington, but he'd still be able to make some fadeaway's mid range j's, get a steal every once and while because of his great anticipation and his passing ability wouldn't have gone away. Not to mention the softer rules.

He'd still be a decent player.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying he'd be as good as Will Bynum and Flip Murray?

1 on 1 is completely different to a full pace NBA game. And to answer your other question about his jumpshot, your muscles change at 50. You become more burly and strong, though it's a different ball game.

These "softer" rules you talk about wouldn't apply to MJ. Players wouldn't need to be physical in the first place seeing as they would simply stay in front of the old 50 year old.

The best he'd be is maybe 7ppg and 4rpg on 38% odd shooting in 20 minutes.

Seems crazy. From a business point of view though, there probably isn't another player who could make so many people watch the Bobcats as himself. Maybe LeBron, but that's about it.

[QUOTE=plowking]Kareem, a top 3 player ever, averaged 11ppg as a 41 year old. What makes you think Jordan, playing on the perimeter, where it's harder to scorer, players are quicker to move in front of you, are more athletic, the shots come from further out is going to score more at 50?

He's not getting any fouls called for him. It would be ridiculously easy for players to stay in front of him, there would be no need for fouls. His "smarts", "basketball knowledge", "basketball IQ" or "heart for the game of basketball", and all these other BS excuses one could possibly think of are no good in this situation. He simply isn't physically capable, and if you think a 50 year old man can go against 25 year olds like Igoudala, Wade and Rose, you're kidding yourself. Do you know how quickly each of those players would blow by Jordan? Do you know how easily they'd get to the spot before Jordan?[/QUOTE]

Actually its easier to score more points (not necessarly better FG%) on the perimeter than down lown. Thats why most of the scoring leaders are players that are out on the perimeter. You have more chance of being left wide open for a shot than being left wide open down low.

Jordan wouldnt be guarded by players such as Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Battier, etc. because he wouldnt be the main threat on his own team (3rd or 4th option at best). If Jordan feels like he got weaker then he would work on other aspect of his game to make up for it. Its not like he's gonna come back in the NBA without being able to shoot or post up. Paul Pierce was never fast or a high jumper but he still managed to get his shot off and score some points.

[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]Actually Magic didn't. His points/rebounds/assists per minute in 96 were close to would they were in 91. And he was totally out of shape. If he had been in better physical shape he would have been almost the same as in 91.[/QUOTE]

Magic's game never relied on athelticism, just like SA3234 claims about Jordan at the Wizards, yet look at the difference it made from 91 to 96. His assits nearly halved and his points took a 6ppg fall. How is that no difference? Per minute is fine and all, though at 50 how much would MJ be playing? No more than 20 minutes a game. There is no shot in hell he averages more than 7 or 8ppg.

Did you not see how much 8 years makes from approximately 28-36? What makes you think it's going to be easier from 41-50? Ageing only gets worse and more rapid, and if you want to deny this and continue with the Jordan loving, then I simply can't help you from your delusional fantasy.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Actually its easier to score more points (not necessarly better FG%) on the perimeter than down lown. Thats why most of the scoring leaders are players that are out on the perimeter. You have more chance of being left wide open for a shot than being left wide open down low.

Jordan wouldnt be guarded by players such as Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Battier, etc. because he wouldnt be the main threat on his own team (3rd or 4th option at best). If Jordan feels like he got weaker then he would work on other aspect of his game to make up for it. Its not like he's gonna come back in the NBA without being able to shoot or post up. [B]Paul Pierce was never fast or a high jumper but he still managed to get his shot off and score some points[/B].[/QUOTE]

Are you comparing a peak athlete with a 50 year old?

[QUOTE=plowking]Are you comparing a peak athlete with a 50 year old?[/QUOTE]

I think its safe to say Paul Pierce is way past his peak/prime. And MJ isnt a random 50 year old guy you could see on the streets. He was an athlete before too (arguably one of the greatest). And anyway i never claimed that MJ would be as good as Pierce. I said i wouldnt be surprised to see him get about 12 ppg on low FG% (4-5 shots made with maybe a 3pointer and a few FTs).

My point was more like if Pierce can get his points and shots off without using any athletic abilities (other than maybe posting up) then MJ could do the same

I am sure if he was placed in this years draft he would be top 15 pick. He has so much legacy and I am sure he can still get off the floor better then someone like JJ Redick.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]I think its safe to say Paul Pierce is way past his peak/prime. And MJ isnt a random 50 year old guy you could see on the streets. He was an athlete before too (arguably one of the greatest). And anyway i never claimed that MJ would be as good as Pierce. I said i wouldnt be surprised to see him get about 12 ppg on low FG% (4-5 shots made with maybe a 3pointer and a few FTs).

My point was more like if Pierce can get his points and shots off without using any athletic abilities (other than maybe posting up) then MJ could do the same[/QUOTE]

What is this notion of NBA players not using athletic ability to score? Paul Pierce was an athletic player at his peak, and is reasonably athletic now. He was recorded as a better athlete in his pre draft measurement than Ricky Davis. You know, the guy who does in between the legs dunks and what not?

I guess if you can do boot tap reverses along with windmills, you just aren't athletic... :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRzAX-xKsik[/url]

[QUOTE=plowking]What is this notion of NBA players not using athletic ability to score? Paul Pierce was an athletic player at his peak, and is reasonably athletic now. He was recorded as a better athlete in his pre draft measurement than Ricky Davis. You know, the guy who does in between the legs dunks and what not?

I guess if you can do boot tap reverses along with windmills, you just aren't athletic... :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRzAX-xKsik[/url][/QUOTE]

Do you have a link for Pierce performing better at the combine than Davis?

And you're right that Pierce was pretty athletic, but he still doesn't get much elevation on his jumpshot at all and he has a slow release.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Do you have a link for Pierce performing better at the combine than Davis?

And you're right that Pierce was pretty athletic, but he still doesn't get much elevation on his jumpshot at all and he has a slow release.[/QUOTE]

EDIT: Was looking at the wrong column.

[QUOTE=plowking]What is this notion of NBA players not using athletic ability to score? Paul Pierce was an athletic player at his peak, and is reasonably athletic now. He was recorded as a better athlete in his pre draft measurement than Ricky Davis. You know, the guy who does in between the legs dunks and what not?

I guess if you can do boot tap reverses along with windmills, you just aren't athletic... :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRzAX-xKsik[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah Pierce used to be athletic at some point but that video was taken when he was still in highschool which is like 15 years ago. Pierce right now is listed at 235lbs and his nowhere near that level of athleticism yet he still scores 18ppg while shooting a career high in FT%, 3pt% and being 0.3% lower than his career high FG%.

Jordan knows he wont be able to blow past his defenders at will anymore so i excpect him to work on his 3pt game and shooting even more. Do you really think Jordan would humiliate himself and come back in the NBA if he felt like he couldnt even score 8ppg? Im sure he pracitced alot agaisnt players of his team and will go through some drills before making the decision to come back.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Wade vs. Jordan
Durant vs. Jordan
LeBron vs. Jordan
Kobe vs. Jordan
Roy vs. Jordan
Evans vs. Jordan
Mayo vs. Jordan

NBA Live 2010/ NBA 2k10[/QUOTE]

Come on LeBron23 even you know that the OP is exaggerating. He has no link to support this rumor and he is one of those newer poster of the last 800 newly added members in the last week.

That being said I would love to see Jordan go up against some of these guys in a Charity game

MJ fanboys would go insane, his per would drop significantly and his career leading PPG would be below Wilt's.

[QUOTE=ImmortalD24]MJ fanboys would go insane, his per would drop significantly and his career leading PPG would be below Wilt's.[/QUOTE]

Jordan was averaging an unbreakable 31.5 ppg before he came back as a Wizard. 30.1 ppg is pretty , but this scoring Machine Kevin Durant :lol . If he retires on top seriously has a chance.

phoenix, stop arguing with these guys. and i doubt jordan would still drop 20 a night too, you gotta understand that age hits you hard after 30.... 40 and 49 is a huge difference. jordan right now is alot worse than 2003 jordan, there is no doubt about that.

but....all u need to say is to these kobe/laker avartar sporting guys, who are obviously just jumping on a troll post and bashing jordan for something he didnt even say, is this :

50 year old mike would be better than 50 year old kobe. jordan at any age was better than kobe at the same age.

end thread.

[QUOTE=Phenith]Wasn't their some issue with him being a part of managment and a player as the Wizards? Can he be owner and player at the same time?[/QUOTE]
no he can't.. when buss gave magic a share in the lakers after his retirement, magic had to sell it back to buss when he came back out of retirement... then he got it back after his second retirement

He was already a horribly inefficient scorer in 2002.

[QUOTE=EricForman]i like how everyone is taking this ridiculous fantasy scenario to bash MJ "HE'LL GET EMBARASSED!" "He'll get destroyed and owned and swatted!!!" "He wouldn't be able to score 5 points!" as if it means anything. i mean, wouldnt any 50 year old be torched? so what's the use of these statements?

and they're all people with Laker logo in their avatars :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

It's called being realistic. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=EricForman]i like how everyone is taking this ridiculous fantasy scenario to bash MJ "HE'LL GET EMBARASSED!" "He'll get destroyed and owned and swatted!!!" "He wouldn't be able to score 5 points!" as if it means anything. i mean, wouldnt any 50 year old be torched? so what's the use of these statements?

and they're all people with Laker logo in their avatars :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I know you're biased, but come on, it's his own fault if people say shit like that. This is the same guy who routinely says garbage like, "I could still play if I wanted to." You lie in the bed you make.

[QUOTE=iamgine]He was already a horribly inefficient scorer in 2002.[/QUOTE]

Well he didnt shoot good in 2002-03 but it wasnt horribly efficient. He was at 44.5% FG with 82% FT and thats better than the career average of guys like Vince Carter, Tmac, Iverson, Pierce, etc. His FG% was also only 1% lower than Kobe's career average

I can't believe this went five pages. Was there even a link or source posted anywhere?

It's a joke. A 50 year old player playing in the NBA... are you freaking kidding me. I love Jordan to death, but people actually claim he could contribute efficiently? He would be too much of a liability on defense to keep in the game, plain and simple.

[QUOTE=EricForman]phoenix, stop arguing with these guys. and i doubt jordan would still drop 20 a night too, you gotta understand that age hits you hard after 30.... 40 and 49 is a huge difference. jordan right now is alot worse than 2003 jordan, there is no doubt about that.

but....all u need to say is to these kobe/laker avartar sporting guys, who are obviously just jumping on a troll post and bashing jordan for something he didnt even say, is this :

50 year old mike would be better than 50 year old kobe. jordan at any age was better than kobe at the same age.

end thread.[/QUOTE]



Kobe at 31: 4 rings

Jordan at 31: 3 rings



Jordan = retired


Kobe = still playing


Lakers are by far the best team in the West, Kobe is only 31 years old and his core is younger then he is. He will play dominant basketball till age 35, and can play well even up till 37 or 38 because Bynum will be a force by then. That gives Kobe 7-8 more contending seasons.



Lakers core: Bryant 31, Odom 30, Gasol 29, Bynum 22, Artest 30


end thread.

[QUOTE=Desperado]Kobe at 31: 4 rings

Jordan at 31: 3 rings



Jordan = retired


Kobe = still playing


Lakers are by far the best team in the West, Kobe is only 31 years old and his core is younger then he is. He will play dominant basketball till age 35, and can play well even up till 37 or 38 because Bynum will be a force by then. That gives Kobe 7-8 more contending seasons.



Lakers core: Bryant 31, Odom 30, Gasol 29, Bynum 22, Artest 30


end thread.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't Kobe already have more mileage than MJ did? Doubt he keeps this play up for the next 6-8 seasons.

[QUOTE=Desperado]Kobe at 31: 4 rings

Jordan at 31: 3 rings



Jordan = retired


Kobe = still playing


Lakers are by far the best team in the West, Kobe is only 31 years old and his core is younger then he is. He will play dominant basketball till age 35, and can play well even up till 37 or 38 because Bynum will be a force by then. That gives Kobe 7-8 more contending seasons.



Lakers core: Bryant 31, Odom 30, Gasol 29, Bynum 22, Artest 30


end thread.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: :roll: :roll: :oldlol:

I could see him average 15 ppg on 40% just from his great jumpshot. However, he wouldn't be effective at all, because hed be giving up 30+ ppg most every night.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Well he didnt shoot good in 2002-03 but it wasnt horribly efficient. He was at 44.5% FG with 82% FT and thats better than the career average of guys like Vince Carter, Tmac, Iverson, Pierce, etc. His FG% was also only 1% lower than Kobe's career average[/QUOTE]
It was horribly inefficient.

FG% doesn't determine efficiency.

NO......He will be known as the Sugar Ray Leonard of Basketball if he does so.

[QUOTE=plowking]Magic's game never relied on athelticism, just like SA3234 claims about Jordan at the Wizards, yet look at the difference it made from 91 to 96. His assits nearly halved and his points took a 6ppg fall. How is that no difference? Per minute is fine and all, though at 50 how much would MJ be playing? No more than 20 minutes a game. There is no shot in hell he averages more than 7 or 8ppg.

Did you not see how much 8 years makes from approximately 28-36? What makes you think it's going to be easier from 41-50? Ageing only gets worse and more rapid, and if you want to deny this and continue with the Jordan loving, then I simply can't help you from your delusional fantasy.[/QUOTE]

Without his knee injury during summer of 2001 Jordan would have been alot closer to his 98 shape. People that played with him like Ron Artest said that before the knee injury he was a potential 30 ppg scorer and more or less the Mike of 98. I think people naturally decline mor between 30 and 35 then between 40 and 50. Around 32 or so most people loose their quickness and explosivness. But you can still keep a high athlethic level for a long time after that. Most player and people get lazy after 35 and therefore decline so much. If somebody is healthy and realy training hard he can have a very good level at age 50. Lok at a guy like Chakie Chan. He was unbelievably fit at age 50.
So if Mike's knees would be recovered i could see him playing well at age 50 . I don't think it will happen but it would certainly possible. 25 minutes a game with 15 points 4 assists and 5 rebounds on 47 percent from the field is anything but impossible. On given nights he certainly could still drop over 30 in 40 minutes of play ( not regulary but certainly a couple of times during the season)

[QUOTE=ukballer]It's called being realistic. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
You can expect MJ dickriders to be a lot of things but you can't expect them to be realistic.

[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]Without his knee injury during summer of 2001 Jordan would have been alot closer to his 98 shape. People that played with him like Ron Artest said that before the knee injury he was a potential 30 ppg scorer and more or less the Mike of 98. I think people naturally decline mor between 30 and 35 then between 40 and 50. Around 32 or so most people loose their quickness and explosivness. But you can still keep a high athlethic level for a long time after that. Most player and people get lazy after 35 and therefore decline so much. If somebody is healthy and realy training hard he can have a very good level at age 50. Lok at a guy like Chakie Chan. He was unbelievably fit at age 50.
So if Mike's knees would be recovered i could see him playing well at age 50 . I don't think it will happen but it would certainly possible. 25 minutes a game with 15 points 4 assists and 5 rebounds on 47 percent from the field is anything but impossible. On given nights he certainly could still drop over 30 in 40 minutes of play ( not regulary but certainly a couple of times during the season)[/QUOTE]

Please.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Kellogs4toniee]I can't believe this went five pages. Was there even a link or source posted anywhere?

It's a joke. A 50 year old player playing in the NBA... are you freaking kidding me. I love Jordan to death, but people actually claim he could contribute efficiently? He would be too much of a liability on defense to keep in the game, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]


I never claimed I have a printed source. Just what someone who knows Charlotte basketball well told me he has heared about it. Don't belive it myself, but if

[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]
However with his knee fully recovered i am sure Mike would be at least as good as in 2003. Age is not a factor this days any more.[/QUOTE]



Age is not a factor these days anymore? Uh, yeah. There is one absolute in life, and that is the fact that we ALL get old, and we ALL lose our physical abilities with time, and then we all die. There are no exceptions to that rule, ESPECIALLY in basketball.