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[QUOTE=HeyMarkus]documentation? shit, what the bible? theres no proof whatsoever jesus even existed .. not even any witness accounts at all.
jus sayin[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus[/url].
Josephus was not a Christian.
Physical Appearance of Jesus
[img]http://mynameisbrandon.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/jesusbbc.jpg[/img]
Facial composite of Yeshua Bar Josef. ( Jesus, Son of Joseph)
debating religion is like calling someone fugly
you know he's fugly, he knows he's fugly, but you just can't say it in his face, because that's not respectful
lol, i mean what normal people would really believe that noah stuff? they just wouldn't admit it that it's made up
jesus of coney island > jesus of the nazareth
[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]Whatever you think.
Its historical documentiation, with the birth, death and ressurection of Christ verifiying all of it 2,000 years ago.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1208/ca2301trevery.gif[/IMG]
Joakim is the real deal, he's got my vote.
I laughed my ass off at the title of the thread alone. Then the OP did it. Bravo. :oldlol:
God is real, those who don't believe are stupid.
[QUOTE=scott0326]God is real, those who don't believe are stupid.[/QUOTE]
Which one though?
Are people who aren't Christian believers stupid? How about Muslims? Buddhists?
[QUOTE=plowking]Which one though?
Are people who aren't Christian believers stupid? How about Muslims? Buddhists?[/QUOTE]
The God. There isn't 45. If you believe otherwise you will be the 3rd turtle and not get on Noahs ark.
[QUOTE=scott0326]The God. There isn't 45. If you believe otherwise you will be the 3rd turtle and not get on Noahs ark.[/QUOTE]
Which God though? There are various religions, which one do you believe is right?
[QUOTE=scott0326]The God. There isn't 45. If you believe otherwise you will be the 3rd turtle and not get on Noahs ark.[/QUOTE]
lol
[img]http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i162/Letha123/notsureifserious.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=scott0326]God is real, those who don't believe are stupid.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=scott0326]God is real, those who don't believe are stupid.[/QUOTE]
"Intelligent people 'less likely to believe in God' "
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html[/url]
As an earlier post said, biblical Noah probably won't like Cleveland either. Cleveland sucks that badly.
IMO, Joakim > biblical noah.
I bet the biblical noah cant talk sht to lebron unlike joakim!
Can we get back to the point of this thread? To compare NBA players to biblical figures?
I've got one:
James the Greater, Son of Zebedee vs. LeBron James
One is a beloved disciple of Jesus whose burial site is the ultimate destination of the third most important pilgrimage route in Christendom and the other is TOTALLY OVERRATED!!!
I usually don't like to get into these type of arguments over the Internet, but I just felt I had too. A preacher once preached in my Church and he compared God to pain, you can't see it, but you know it's there.
To each his own, you either believe or you don't believe.
God Bless,
Chuchu.
[QUOTE=Chuchu]I usually don't like to get into these type of arguments over the Internet, but I just felt I had too. A man once preached in my Church and he compared God to pain, you can't see it, but you know it's there.
To each his own, you either believe or you don't believe.
God Bless,
Chuchu.[/QUOTE]
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.... you DONT know its there, you want it to be there so let yourself believe you feel it.
[QUOTE=Chuchu] A man once preached in my Church and he compared God to pain, you can't see it, but you know it's there.[/QUOTE]
Take a couple sugar pills and the pain will go away.
[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]Whatever you think.
Its historical documentiation, with the birth, death and ressurection of Christ verifiying all of it 2,000 years ago.[/QUOTE]
yet there are no other historical accounts for jesus walking around and doing all his wonders other than the bible itself.
religion is a good thing for the people who believe in it, but not in the magical way most believe.
[QUOTE=Lebron23][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus[/url].
Josephus was not a Christian.
Physical Appearance of Jesus
[img]http://mynameisbrandon.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/jesusbbc.jpg[/img]
Facial composite of Yeshua Bar Josef. ( Jesus, Son of Joseph)[/QUOTE]
Josephus was not a contemporary of Jesus.
He devoted almost nothing in his History to Jesus (John the Baptist got several chapters for example), one inclusion is considered by most to be forged in terms of impact (though accurate in mentioning), and the other regards Josh as brother of James. The fact that Christians existed and worshiped Jesus by the time he wrote Antiquities is not in debate, it's an obvious fact, and his writings do nothing more then confirm that already established fact.
Whether a historical Jesus exists or not is debatable. Possible, but the evidence isn't overwhelming. The most likely the stories are at least based on someone (or even someones) I would argue, but it's not established by any means.
What makes it more complicated is Jesus is a transliteration in English from Joshua. So in English we have Jesus and Joshua as two separate names. But that's just English. Natively in Hebrew, Jesus was called Yehoshua/Yeshua, which was the most common name of the time. So really, ignoring the English only context based transliteration, it's Joshua, Son of God. And you can see how, in an era where people didn't really use last names, that it becomes hard to identify historical evidence for Jesus. Basically, everything that points to a specific Joshua as Jesus is done after his life on Earth, after a following already exists.
[QUOTE=liquidrage]Josephus was not a contemporary of Jesus.
He devoted almost nothing in his History to Jesus (John the Baptist got several chapters for example), one inclusion is considered by most to be forged in terms of impact (though accurate in mentioning), and the other regards Josh as brother of James. The fact that Christians existed and worshiped Jesus by the time he wrote Antiquities is not in debate, it's an obvious fact, and his writings do nothing more then confirm that already established fact.
Whether a historical Jesus exists or not is debatable. Possible, but the evidence isn't overwhelming. The most likely the stories are at least based on someone (or even someones) I would argue, but it's not established by any means.
What makes it more complicated is Jesus is a transliteration in English from Joshua. So in English we have Jesus and Joshua as two separate names. But that's just English. Natively in Hebrew, Jesus was called Yehoshua/Yeshua, which was the most common name of the time. So really, ignoring the English only context based transliteration, it's Joshua, Son of God. And you can see how, in an era where people didn't really use last names, that it becomes hard to identify historical evidence for Jesus. Basically, everything that points to a specific Joshua as Jesus is done after his life on Earth, after a following already exists.[/QUOTE]
wtf are you talking a bout any of this in the joke noah thread?
[QUOTE=niko]wtf are you talking a bout any of this in the joke noah thread?[/QUOTE]
It's a tangential discussion. Mind your own fin business already.
[QUOTE=plowking]Which God though? There are various religions, which one do you believe is right?[/QUOTE]
There is numerous prophets but there is only one God
Another Triple Double for Joakim. Still no match for the Original.
Joakim is more of a team player.
Look at this way:
Joakim Noah loves Bulls.
Biblical Noah loves Bulls, and Bears, and Tigers, and Cows, and Birds........
[QUOTE=bagelred]Look at this way:
Joakim Noah loves Bulls.
Biblical Noah loves Bulls, and Bears, and Tigers, and Cows, and Birds........[/QUOTE]
Joakim the more loyal Noah.
Op is trolling. That pic is of a 706 year old Noah. Everyone knoews Noah peeked at 368 years old. Dispete being 5'2 he would have wiped the floor with Joakim.
[quote]one survived elimination, one won't.[/quote]
Love it.
This thread is winning.....:cheers: :rockon:
:pimp: (just for Noah)
[QUOTE=icewill36]nice one
at least bulls noah keeps it real, biblical noah is a fictional character[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Yeah yeah yeah....if that's your faith then fine...but I don't believe in much of that....God put his will in the hearts of men not on paper.
Anything that man interprets is bound to have flaws.
[B]With that said the bible is a bunch of fables....and it's so contradictory that it's not even funny.[/B][/QUOTE]
This too.
[QUOTE=PrettyCool]Op is trolling. That pic is of a 706 year old Noah. Everyone knoews Noah peeked at 368 years old. Dispete being 5'2 he would have wiped the floor with Joakim.[/QUOTE]
Building an ark keeps you in shape.
.
This is when you know it's a US based site. One mention of God and all the religious nuts (yes, [i]most[/i] though not all of you Christians posting in this thread are nuts) come crawling out.
You don't believe in dinosaurs either, right?
[QUOTE=eurobum]This is when you know it's a US based site. One mention of God and all the religious nuts (yes, [i]most[/i] though not all of you Christians posting in this thread are nuts) come crawling out.
You don't believe in dinosaurs either, right?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, judging by your post and others (Glide2keva, Go Getter) in this thread you can see how much pacific and respectful people atheists are compared to the "religious nuts" :roll:
[QUOTE=Segatti]Yeah, judging by your post and others (Glide2keva, Go Getter) in this thread you can see how much pacific and respectful people atheists are compared to the "religious nuts" :roll:[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't I make fun of them? It's not that they believe in God - that's fine. It's that they're nuts. I make fun of nuts people.
And they don't even know the very dogma they subscribe to. The story of Noah is from the Old Testament, which is only included in the Bible because of its creation myth and few other outstanding elements that are important to Christianity (such as the Fall of Man so it could be used by Christianity to guilt humanity). As a whole, the Old Testament is of the Jewish canon with most of the literature being MYTHOLOGICAL no different than the Gods of Mount Olympus, the Nordic Gods of Valhalla, Winnie The Pooh, other fictional stuff (most of it written 600 BC when the Hebrews were exiled in Babylon). Why does Jesus mention it? Because he was a Jew and it was part of their holy scripture.
And yes, Jesus was a historical figure. He existed. A Jewish man wanting to re-interpret religion, relationship to God (Yahweh) and more (there's only ONE Yahweh, MJ DA GOD). Doesn't mean he walked on water or was the son of God, LOL. Maybe he himself believed he was the son of God, in which case he was probably a schizophrenic, delusional man. Or he knowingly conned people into thinking he was the son of God in order to further his agenda. Either way, people believed him and deityfied him. You think this is unlikely? It happens today even that people are mystified by charismatic, public personalities and embellish accounts/events of the person. Tex Winther is lying through his teeth when claiming Wilt Chamberlain shot 'dunking' free throws or whatever by the way, c'mon.
To literally believe in the story of Noah's Ark is nuts. To believe in God and take out of biblical allegories higher points of meaning, morality, justification of existence -- OK, that's not (totally) nuts.
Think about this, religious people. If we consider a cosmic calendar, consisting of 12 months of which January 1st at 00:00.0000000000001 AM is the birth of the universe. When do human beings come into the picture? Somewhere around December 31st 11.53 PM (or so, don't recall the exact time). Humans are such an insignificant organism in the macro perspective, yet you think we are special, chosen beings by the Bearded Guy upstairs. What about the other 14 billion years before humans existed; what was God doing in that time period? Or was the Earth created 4000 years ago? LOL.
To me, religion is a thing of duality. I respect people's spirituality and the belief of something higher than man, though I don't subscribe to this idea myself. I'm rational a man of science and reason. But extremists turn me off. Why not respect their belief? Because it's because of people like them we were set back as a species. Set back at least 1500 years. 1500 years of technological advancement we missed out on because generations of religious nuts suppressed scientific advancement that didn't adhere to their view on God.
2500 years ago there were some astronomers of antiquity who believed the Earth was round, the Earth was NOT the center of the universe (they did however believe the Sun was). They couldn't prove it yet because they lacked the tools and the mathematics, but some were very close. One did actually prove the Earth was round, an Egyptian mathematician. Because of the persecution of these and ANYONE who had similar thoughts until the f*cking renaissance around 1600 AC these ideas went underdeveloped for so long. Think of where we would be as a species, as a society had these things not been hindered. We would've been on Mars by now no doubt. Cancer? Hunger? Poverty?
Two millennia of technology we missed out on because extremists hanged people who in antiquity didn't believe Zeus and his gang. In the Roman empire and dark ages it was people who didn't believe in Jesus as the son of God and the list goes on.
So yeah, pardon me if I'm not gonna be all nice to nutty religious people.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Building an ark keeps you in shape.
.[/QUOTE]
:lol :roll:
The title of this thread alone made me lol. :oldlol:
biblical noah plays no D. let two of each animal score on his ark.
plus, weak era. put joakim in his place and there would be no flood.
Joakim got swag.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3y5hTHuP4[/url]
[QUOTE=eurobum]Why wouldn't I make fun of them? It's not that they believe in God - that's fine. It's that they're nuts. I make fun of nuts people.
And they don't even know the very dogma they subscribe to. The story of Noah is from the Old Testament, which is only included in the Bible because of its creation myth and few other outstanding elements that are important to Christianity (such as the Fall of Man so it could be used by Christianity to guilt humanity). As a whole, the Old Testament is of the Jewish canon with most of the literature being MYTHOLOGICAL no different than the Gods of Mount Olympus, the Nordic Gods of Valhalla, Winnie The Pooh, other fictional stuff (most of it written 600 BC when the Hebrews were exiled in Babylon). Why does Jesus mention it? Because he was a Jew and it was part of their holy scripture.
And yes, Jesus was a historical figure. He existed. A Jewish man wanting to re-interpret religion, relationship to God (Yahweh) and more (there's only ONE Yahweh, MJ DA GOD). Doesn't mean he walked on water or was the son of God, LOL. Maybe he himself believed he was the son of God, in which case he was probably a schizophrenic, delusional man. Or he knowingly conned people into thinking he was the son of God in order to further his agenda. Either way, people believed him and deityfied him. You think this is unlikely? It happens today even that people are mystified by charismatic, public personalities and embellish accounts/events of the person. Tex Winther is lying through his teeth when claiming Wilt Chamberlain shot 'dunking' free throws or whatever by the way, c'mon.
To literally believe in the story of Noah's Ark is nuts. To believe in God and take out of biblical allegories higher points of meaning, morality, justification of existence -- OK, that's not (totally) nuts.
Think about this, religious people. If we consider a cosmic calendar, consisting of 12 months of which January 1st at 00:00.0000000000001 AM is the birth of the universe. When do human beings come into the picture? Somewhere around December 31st 11.53 PM (or so, don't recall the exact time). Humans are such an insignificant organism in the macro perspective, yet you think we are special, chosen beings by the Bearded Guy upstairs. What about the other 14 billion years before humans existed; what was God doing in that time period? Or was the Earth created 4000 years ago? LOL.
To me, religion is a thing of duality. I respect people's spirituality and the belief of something higher than man, though I don't subscribe to this idea myself. I'm rational a man of science and reason. But extremists turn me off. Why not respect their belief? Because it's because of people like them we were set back as a species. Set back at least 1500 years. 1500 years of technological advancement we missed out on because generations of religious nuts suppressed scientific advancement that didn't adhere to their view on God.
2500 years ago there were some astronomers of antiquity who believed the Earth was round, the Earth was NOT the center of the universe (they did however believe the Sun was). They couldn't prove it yet because they lacked the tools and the mathematics, but some were very close. One did actually prove the Earth was round, an Egyptian mathematician. Because of the persecution of these and ANYONE who had similar thoughts until the f*cking renaissance around 1600 AC these ideas went underdeveloped for so long. Think of where we would be as a species, as a society had these things not been hindered. We would've been on Mars by now no doubt. Cancer? Hunger? Poverty?
Two millennia of technology we missed out on because extremists hanged people who in antiquity didn't believe Zeus and his gang. In the Roman empire and dark ages it was people who didn't believe in Jesus as the son of God and the list goes on.
So yeah, pardon me if I'm not gonna be all nice to nutty religious people.[/QUOTE]
Hey, look, someone mentioned God, and a religious nut came in and typed out his graduate dissertation that nobody asked for. :oldlol: