[QUOTE=BlueandGold]lol you are lebanned[/QUOTE]
this is the coolest thing you have ever said:applause:
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[QUOTE=BlueandGold]lol you are lebanned[/QUOTE]
this is the coolest thing you have ever said:applause:
[QUOTE=KobeKlutch]t
not trying to take awayy anything from MJ but he played in a weak era. MJ would probably put up the same numbers as Kobe if he played in today's era.
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LMAO @ these ****ing stans with their sub-50 post counts always crawling out of the woodwork making absurd statements like this. :oldlol:
Jordan would SHIT ON Kobe's production "today." Drop 25-30 year old Jordan in the '06-'10 NBA and he'd make it his *****. He was a clearly superior player to Kobe freaking Bryant. Get real. Trolls like you are why people hate and can't just appreciate Kobe for the tremendous player he is.
[QUOTE=ImmortalD24]Out of the millions of pics, you had to choose the sleeve *lose in the finals to boston* season and frobe. :facepalm
Might as well add these for good measure:
[IMG]http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/e/e/9/0/10.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/23icug4.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
dam them some nice ball kicks he wearing. any idea what they are?
[QUOTE=KobeKlutch]this.
not trying to take awayy anything from MJ but he played in a weak era. MJ would probably put up the same numbers as Kobe if he played in today's era.
Night in and night out Kobe has to face very athletic guards and stars...where MJ had to face a couple. It takes a toll on you when you play against great defenders and defenses night in and night out.
After a tough game, I want to be playing against a scrub the next night or game.[/QUOTE]
It all evens out. Defenders can't breathe on players anymore.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Four defensive ratings
104.2
105.0
106.7
101.9
Take a wild guess which one is the team Kobe faced
In fact, how many playoff teams did Jordan face that came even close to matching the defensive efficiency of the early 2000s Spurs, the 2004 Pistons or 2008 Celtics?
Jordan should have better efficiency numbers. He consistently faced weaker defensive teams.[/QUOTE]
Interesting first post Mr. Foot... Tell me, what keyboard do you happen to use?
Here come the the Jordan whores, trying to **** the whole thread up, just cause 1 persons opinion doesn't match their own.
[QUOTE=Batz]Interesting first post Mr. Foot... Tell me, what keyboard do you happen to use?[/QUOTE]
:wtf:
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall][B]LMAO @ these ****ing stans with their sub-50 post counts always crawling out of the woodwork making absurd statements like this. :oldlol:[/B]
Jordan would SHIT ON Kobe's production "today." Drop 25-30 year old Jordan in the '06-'10 NBA and he'd make it his *****. He was a clearly superior player to Kobe freaking Bryant. Get real. Trolls like you are why people hate and can't just appreciate Kobe for the tremendous player he is.[/QUOTE]
Yet you quote him and give him attention?...Not because you had to...But because you wanted too.:confusedshrug:
Sometimes (as crazy as it seems, and not sayin you) there's actually actual Jordan Hanes Wearers who create Kobe accounts, troll the forum in hopes of reactions like yours...We had a well known Wilt Fan make a "BlackMamba24" account (ask Round ball, we cracked dudes secret) just to gain hate on Bryant.
There's only a handful of Kobe fans who thinks "Kobe>>MJ" on this forum...And 100% of the time, they are trolls...And again, most of the time, the only reason MJ homers respond to them is to have an excuse to bash Kobe or flaunt played out copy and paste Jordan stats..
End Rant.
****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]The quality of the opposition's defense should be taken into account here. So I'll go with the '08 WCF vs. SA. That's excellent efficiency against a VERY good defensive team and from what I recall, majority of the games came down to the wire and Kobe came up big every time. I also don't remember his cast doing a whole lot in that series.[/QUOTE]
'08 Spurs weren't 100% though. Both of Ginobili's ankles were injured. One was nearly trashed and the other was sprained. + Bowen was aging and not the same as he used to be.
Kobe did do well, but I didn't consider SA to have much of a chance to even get to the WCF with half a Ginobili and an aging Bowen. They weren't as good defensively in the playoffs as they were in the season due to those injuries. To Manu specifically.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.[/QUOTE]
If you didn't invade every Jordan thread trolling about Kobe, perhaps the reverse wouldn't happen as much.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.[/QUOTE]
Because it's a completely baseless opinion. Honestly, guys like Dr. J and Moses Malone have better arguments over Kobe than Kobe has over Jordan. And I can guarantee you that if someone went around saying Moses >= Kobe or Dr. J >= Kobe, not a single Kobe fan would keep their mouth shut.
They're not saying KAJ > MJ or Wilt > MJ (which I seldom take issue with)...they're talking about a guy who is CLEARLY inferior in EVERY way.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Because it's a completely baseless opinion. Honestly, guys like Dr. J and Moses Malone have better arguments over Kobe than Kobe has over Jordan. And I can guarantee you that if someone went around saying Moses >= Kobe or Dr. J >= Kobe, not a single Kobe fan would keep their mouth shut.
They're not saying KAJ > MJ or Wilt > MJ (which I seldom take issue with)...they're talking about a guy who is CLEARLY inferior in EVERY way.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).[/QUOTE]
is it a goal in your life to troll every day??
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).[/QUOTE]
Enough of the "scoring ceiling" bullshit. He had one game with more points than MJ's gotten in a game. That doesn't mean he has a better "scoring ceiling", it just means he stat stuffed enough in a game to score 81 points. Nearly 20 points in the last 5 minutes of a game against a bad team when you're already leading by a dozen points is stat stuffing, without debate. Especially when you end up winning in a blowout.
Do you really need to fabricate dumb ideas like "scoring ceiling" to argue with people over a clearly dead subject that isn't even debatable anymore?
2010 Suns series, is the best I have seen him play imo
[QUOTE=G-Funk]****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.[/QUOTE]
Jordan fans are really pathetic. All of them live in the past and talk about how great basketball used to be and how the league is so terrible now. Funny that they dislike the NBA now yet they STILL watch it! They just see things through their nostalgia glasses and don't have a grip on reality.
Jordan fans are the equivalent of the ''back in my day we had to walk to school uphill both ways in 30 feet of snow barefoot'' dudes that always talk about the ''good old days'' and constantly complain about today's society. :lol
MJ retired 9 years ago and hasn't played a meaningful game in 13 years, let him go and stop living in the past.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Because it's a completely baseless opinion. Honestly, guys like Dr. J and Moses Malone have better arguments over Kobe than Kobe has over Jordan. And I can guarantee you that if someone went around saying Moses >= Kobe or Dr. J >= Kobe, not a single Kobe fan would keep their mouth shut.
They're not saying KAJ > MJ or Wilt > MJ (which I seldom take issue with)...they're talking about a guy who is CLEARLY inferior in EVERY way.[/QUOTE]
It is baseless. I just don't see how it can bother u so much when you clearly know that the whole world recognizes MJ as GOAT. IMO this has something to do more with the way you feel about Kobe.
Personally Kobe is my favorite player of All-time but I know who's GOAT(MJ). And [U]in my opinion[/U] Kobe is a better scorer than MJ, but that doesn't mean he's an overall better player. And I also [U]think[/U] that MJ benefited from the Era he played in. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Kobe is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan, though he IS a better scorer when both are at their absolute PEAK (which happens like once a year for Kobe, so it's really irrelevant).
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Kobe is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan, though he IS a better scorer when both are at their absolute PEAK (which happens like once a year for Kobe, so it's really irrelevant).[/QUOTE]
Alright there you go. You're previous statement was admitted false. We're all wrong sometimes.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Kobe is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan, though he IS a better scorer when both are at their absolute PEAK (which happens like once a year for Kobe, so it's really irrelevant).[/QUOTE]
I can't even get mad at that. specially when MJ was the smarter scorer, dude just wanted the most effient shots, that's why he attacked the basket and became a low post thread. I see Kobe as wanting to be the best offensive player to ever play, He truly has no weaknesses on the offensive end.
[QUOTE=tpols]Alright there you go. You're previous statement was admitted false. We're all wrong sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I'm not following you. Being a better scorer for the 1-2 games each year when you're blazing hot does not equal being the better scorer in general. A team would have to be bonkers to take Kobe over MJ if all they needed was a 30+ ppg scorer (i.e., excluding all other aspects of the game).
[QUOTE=laronprofit9]
Below are Kobe Bryant's Best Playoff series of his career. Which to you, Stands out as the best of his entire career?[/B]
[B]2001 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Sacramento Kings
[/B]
35.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 4.3 apg 47%fg 20%3P 86%FT
[B]
2001 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs[/B]
33.3 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.0 apg 51%fg 36%3P 77%FT
[B]2003 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Minnesota Timberwolves[/B]
31.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 6.7 apg 43%fg 36%3P 87%FT
[B]2008 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets[/B]
33.5 ppg 5.3 rpg 6.3 apg 50%fg 33%3P 74%FT
[B]
2008 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz[/B]
33.2 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.2 apg 49%fg 21%3P 83%FT
[B]2008 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs
[/B]
29.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.8 apg 53%fg 33%3P 91%FT
[B]
2009 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets
[/B]
34.0 ppg 5.8 rpg 5.8 apg 48%fg 34%3P 93%FT
[B]
2009 NBA Finals Kobe Bryant vs Orlando Magic[/B]
32.4 ppg 5.6 rpg 7.4 apg 43%fg 36%3P 84%FT
[B]2010 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz
[/B]
32.0 ppg 3.8 rpg 5.8 apg 52%fg 25%3P 87%FT
[B]2010 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Phoenix Suns[/B]
33.7ppg 7.2 rpg 8.3 apg 52%fg 43%3P 88%FT[/QUOTE]
you just enumerate his playoffs statistics....
but his best series are 2001 series vs Kings & Spurs, 2002 vs Spurs, 2008 vs Spurs, 2009 vs Jazz, 2010 vs Jazz & Suns. the rest has nothing to do with great performances.
but the greatest perf to me are those against tough teams and with that i have to keep the 2001 WCF series and 2002 WCSF series above the others.
now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...
This thread just went to shits, just because KG5MVP's dummbass felt the need to deminish Kobe's accomplishments
[QUOTE=necya]
now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...[/QUOTE]
good for you
[B]00/01 Playoffs[/B]
29.4 ppg 7.3 rpg 6.1 apg 1.6 spg 47fg% 32%3P 82%FT
[B]01/02 Playoffs[/B]
26.6 ppg 5.8 rpg 4.6 apg 1.4 spg 43fg% 37%3P 76%FT
[B]
02/03 Playoffs[/B]
32.1 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg 1.2 spg 43fg% 40%3P 82%FT
[B]05/06 Playoffs[/B]
27.9 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 1.1 spg 50fg% 40%3P 77%FT
[B]06/07 Playoffs[/B]
32.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.4 apg 1.0 spg 46fg% 36%3P 91%FT
[B]07/08 Playoffs[/B]
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 1.7 spg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT
[B]08/09 Playoffs[/B]
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 1.6 spg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT
[B]09/10 Playoffs[/B]
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 1.4spg 46 fg% 37%3P 84%FT
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).[/QUOTE]
A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:
30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls
Kobe better 3 ball(slim margin)
Jordan better Mid Range game(slim margin)
Jordan better post game(huge margin)
[QUOTE=Calabis]A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:
30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls[/QUOTE]
How is a career average a ceiling? Are you stupid?
[QUOTE=tpols]How is a career average a ceiling? Are you stupid?[/QUOTE]
According to you he has a higher scoring ceiling(which means Kobe is capable of scoring more and putting out more high point games).....yet this ceiling has produced less points and a worse FG%...are you stupid???
[QUOTE=Calabis]A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:
30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls
Kobe better 3 ball(big)
Jordan better Mid Range game(equal)
Jordan better post game(equal)
Jordan better at attacking(big)[/QUOTE]
Fixed
BTW are you serious going to compare a 17 yr old kid with a 21 yr Jordan? really? do you really think that's a fair comparison?
Also 50%FG to 46%FG is not that big a difference.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Fixed
BTW are you serious going to compare a 17 yr old kid with a 21 yr Jordan? really? do you really think that's a fair comparison?
Also 50%FG to 46%FG is not that big a difference.[/QUOTE]
Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg
your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard
Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)
[QUOTE=Calabis]Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg
your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard
Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)[/QUOTE]
Nope, Kobe shot alot less then MJ I think it's 19 to 23 by MJ . And if Kobe hit 50% he would average 27 that's only 2 more points(1 shot) where did you give him 5 more points?
Kobe's post game is phenomemal, You saw Jordan do it more often because he had no inside precence, like Kobe has had with Shaq, Gasol & Bynum. Just because Jordan scored more from the post does not mean he was better at doing it.
[QUOTE=Calabis]Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg
your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard
Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)[/QUOTE]
No... the difference between 50% and 46% is actually less than one shot per game. If jordan goes 15/30 kobe goes 14/30. They actually take and make way less shots than this per game(kobe avg 19fga and jordan 23fga) meaning the difference is even less. Funny how you say 3-5 points though when you're completely talking out of your ass. Kobe's better freethrow shooting and 3pt shooting boost his points per possession even higher making the difference on a game to game basis even more negligible.
lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.[/QUOTE]
Jordan is the most hyped, overrated player in North American sports history.
The whole image of Jordan is a media fabrication and the GOAT talk is non-sense.
I just don't understand you guys, it seems to me you have not played basketball. I don't know anyone can sit here and not understand the physical toll on [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-z4gubTTE&feature=sub"]Jordan[/URL] compared to Kobe. Jordan was getting beat down on a nightly basis(this makes it harder period), yet he maintained a high performance level on both sides of the court. Kobe doesn't take no where near the physical punishment that Jordan did, so he should have more energy to exert on the offensive end. Jordan would be better in today's league(Wade on Steroids), without question.
When Kobe is hot, there is no question he is on par with MJ and may exceed him some nights, but due to the fact that he is less efficient and consistent than MJ on a nightly basis, is why he not a better player....., its not a matter of skill that separate them, its a matter that Jordan was the better player night in and night out, than Kobe will ever be.
Kobe is the closest we will ever see to MJ, and from a overrall skill standpoint, he may be the best ever, but unless there is some kid who has model MJ/Kobe's game and added consistency/efficiency...MJ will always be GOAT and Kobe will be the 2nd best two guard ever....
STFU you moronic Jordan dick-rider. Pathetic losers.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.[/QUOTE]
STFU. Quit crying,stan.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Jordan is the most hyped, overrated player in North American sports history.
The whole image of Jordan is a media fabrication and the GOAT talk is non-sense.[/QUOTE]
You can't be overhype when u lived up to it.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.[/QUOTE]
You just said jordan is better than kobe at everything and you're going to call out other people as stans? Look in the mirror buddy. Jordan and kobe both MASTERED the post game. Jordan was a beast in the post. So is/was kobe. What makes you think jordan was better at it? Both of them have impeccable footwork, great fakes, great fadeaways, and know how to establish position. Why is it that jordan is better? Oh thats right. He's better simply because his name is Michael Jordan.:facepalm
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]LMAO @ these ****ing stans with their sub-50 post counts always crawling out of the woodwork making absurd statements like this. :oldlol:
Jordan would SHIT ON Kobe's production "today." Drop 25-30 year old Jordan in the '06-'10 NBA and he'd make it his *****. He was a clearly superior player to Kobe freaking Bryant. Get real. Trolls like you are why people hate and can't just appreciate Kobe for the tremendous player he is.[/QUOTE]
This is laughable. You're a retard.