Totally. Kobe is better than Jordan too.
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Totally. Kobe is better than Jordan too.
No, only thing better to prime Shaq is prime MJ IMO. Kobe will most likely have a better overall career, but Shaq at his peak is better then Kobe's peak.
How the hell do you even compare a center to a 2-guard? This is pretty stupid.
[QUOTE=Derka]How the hell do you even compare a center to a 2-guard? This is pretty stupid.[/QUOTE]
Everyone loves to compare Hakeem to Kobe over and over again..
[QUOTE=indiefan24]Everyone loves to compare Hakeem to Kobe over and over again..[/QUOTE]
Everyone's pretty stupid if they do.
[QUOTE=Allstar24]Is prime Kobe better than prime Shaq? Hell no. But that doesn't change the fact that when it's all said and done, Kobe will go down as not only a greater Laker but a greater player than Shaq.[/QUOTE]
Kobe has a career ending injury tomorow is he a greater player than Shaq? Nope not even close, so there is no fact that Kobe will be considered as a greater player than Shaq. It is a presumtion of yours that it is most certainly possible. This is for the first time that I will concede that Kobe has a chance to be a top 5 candidate.
Shaq had the best prime of all times if you ask me. Not even jordan. But career wise, and when all is said and done, kobe will be ranked higher than shaq.
[QUOTE=plowking]I find the Laker fan hate on Shaq hilarious.
Do you realize Kobe wouldn't be considered anywhere near the player he is without Shaq? Though you'd be hard pressed to argue the other way around.[/QUOTE]
kobe stans don't realize that. I've always saidd they should be thanking shaq for making kobe, without shaq, kobe would have been another tmac but without injuries. Without shaq Phil Jackson wouldn't even consider joining the lakers, without shaq kobe wouldn't have 3 rings.
prime shaq might be the most dominant offensive force in nba history, and kobe?
[QUOTE=asdf1990]kobe stans don't realize that. I've always saidd they should be thanking shaq for making kobe, without shaq, kobe would have been another tmac but without injuries. Without shaq Phil Jackson wouldn't even consider joining the lakers, without shaq kobe wouldn't have 3 rings.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Without Shaq, Kobe likely only has a single ring right now.
I'd have Prime Shaq any day of the week, not even close. A beast on both ends of the floor and [B][I]unstoppable[/I][/B]. You could try and slow him down but stop him? No.
Kobe = 1 Finals MVP
Shaq got three baby!!!!! lol
No, but its not a terribly huge gap. They both had extremely good peak years. Shaq is still obviously better though.
We will never know. Prime Shaq was on one of the greatest team ever. Prime Kobe was playing with Smush and Kwame.
If Kobe wasn't on the Lakers, than prime Shaq would be diminish because they would have lost to Blazer, Kings, and Spurs.
No, he's not. Few (if any) players come close to matching prime Shaq's dominance. He forced the NBA to change how the game was played.
Do covalent bonds occur between metals and nonmetals?
Yes.
81.
[QUOTE=rfoster24]Yes.
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What about 61 and 23?
[QUOTE=rfoster24]Yes.
81.[/QUOTE]
So you determine the relative quality of players by simply going down the list of top scoring performances in a single game in league history?
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that....
No. Peak Shaq was better than anyone other than peak Kareem and Wilt and overall he is top 5 all-time. Kobe [I]may [/I]wind up with the better career but the peak vs. peak debate will always go to Shaq.
[I]Prime Shaq[/I] had some of the sickest seasons of anyone, ever.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]No. Peak Shaq was better than anyone other than peak Kareem and Wilt and overall he is top 5 all-time. Kobe [I]may [/I]wind up with the better career but the peak vs. peak debate will always go to Shaq.[/QUOTE]
Not even those two. Prime Shaq was better than prime KAJ and prime Wilt were.
[QUOTE=King Kong]simple question[/QUOTE]
more like stupid question
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Prime shaq is the second most dominant player that I've seen, after of course MJ.
Errrr, do people realize that peak Shaq actually dictated other playoff teams' roster moves and free agency acquisitions? Teams like Blazers, Mavs, and even Eastern Conference teams like the Pacers would actually revolve their free agency and trades around trying to get guys--not to stop Shaq but just to give themselves hope that he wouldn't destroy their entire frontcourt within the first half.
1999-2005 Kobe was usually compared and debated against Vince Carter, Tmac, Iverson. 1999-2004 Shaq was usually compared and debated against Wilt, Kareem, Moses Malone.
I remember watching playoff series after playoff series during their run where the other team would TRIPLE team him once he caught the ball in the paint and they'd have no chance...
Prime Shaq is the MDE. He's better than Kobe, and that applies for the player and the poster. :oldlol:
Yes.
I'm actually going to be objective (i'm surprised as much as you are): Kobe is BETTER IN HIS PRIME THAN SHAQ...in that he's always been a more skilled basketball player. Is he GREATER THOUGH? Absolutely not. Shaq hasn't earned the coinage of " MOST DOMINANT OF ALL TIME" because he didn't do shit. It kind of turns my face into a scowl remembering how hard it was to guard him even you had Big Sabas...ugh. Kobe was NEVER THAT GUY. The guy you feared because you knew there was nothing you could do...Shaq was that guy. Ugh...lol. Facing shaq in the early 2000s was like facing the inevitable...you just could do nothing against that ****ing bastard lol.
People hated that Laker team because of Shaq...not Kobe.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]I'm actually going to be objective (i'm surprised as much as you are): Kobe is BETTER IN HIS PRIME THAN SHAQ...in that he's always been a more skilled basketball player. Is he GREATER THOUGH? Absolutely not. Shaq hasn't earned the coinage of " MOST DOMINANT OF ALL TIME" because he didn't do shit. It kind of turns my face into a scowl remembering how hard it was to guard him even you had Big Sabas...ugh. Kobe was NEVER THAT GUY. The guy you feared because you knew there was nothing you could do...Shaq was that guy. Ugh...lol. Facing shaq in the early 2000s was like facing the inevitable...you just could do nothing against that ****ing bastard lol.[/QUOTE]What does skill have to do with being better? If you're athleticism dwarfs the rest of the league, it doesn't matter if you aren't the most skilled player. Lebron, for example, was never the most skilled player in the NBA but has been arguably the best for the last 7-8 years.
No. I'd only take two players in NBA history over Prime Shaq.
2001 Kobe at 21-22 yrs old was as good as prime Shaq.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]2001 Kobe at 21-22 yrs old was as good as prime Shaq.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Batz]Tony Parker will never be the same..[/QUOTE]
I remember Parker BOUNCING off Shaq once. And the answer to OP is HELL, NO - few were. Prime Shaq was a monster.
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]What does skill have to do with being better? If you're athleticism dwarfs the rest of the league, it doesn't matter if you aren't the most skilled player. Lebron, for example, was never the most skilled player in the NBA but has been arguably the best for the last 7-8 years.[/QUOTE]
True. I wont argue with you, cat.
[QUOTE=Prime_Shaq]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
I'm being generous here. We all know Kobe was actually the better player at the same time.
Kobe made 3 straight finals w/o Shaq and won 2 FMVPS without him also
Shaq never even came close to that type of production without Kobe,,
Kobe had an all 3rd team player in Gasol,,
Shaq had an all 1st team player in Penny..
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Kobe made 3 straight finals w/o Shaq and won 2 FMVPS without him also
Shaq never even came close to that type of production without Kobe,,
Kobe had an all 3rd team player in Gasol,,
Shaq had an all 1st team player in Penny..[/QUOTE]
not to mention that Kobe led the 2001 Lakers in Winshares in the Playoffs and easily had the better numbers on the road and through the 1st 3 rounds for that run. And he wasn't at his prime while Shaq was.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]2001 Kobe at 21-22 yrs old was as good as prime Shaq.[/QUOTE]
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Wow.
You just can't help yourself can you?
You stupid, stupid bastard.
Remember when the argument was "Kobe has done nothing without Shaq"
and then Kobe made 3 straight finals as the undisputed man of his team :lol :lol
Has there ever been a better "2nd option" than Kobe in 01 (again I don't understand how you're the 2nd option if the offense revolves around you taking the most shots per game while going undefeated through the playoffs)
please find me another playoff run where the team won a championship and the guy leading the team in FGA's ring.. "didn't count"