Discuss how/why the Celtics just beat the Lakers in 2010 NBA Finals game 5

[QUOTE=amfirst]I don't care about fta because Celts play aggressive and hack a lot, they deserve those foul calls. I didn't see any that they didn't deserve. The fourth quarter calls is what decides the game.[/QUOTE]

Of course you wouldnt care b/c it hurts your view on it all.

It's not like Boston was only shooting 3's and jumpers all night. They were posting up and driving to the lane as much as they took jumpers. so you can't use that excuse either.

[QUOTE=amfirst]It's ok, I believe Lakers could have won both games if they were playing at home. It's hard to win in the fourth when the refs calls everything against u. We still got this when we get home.[/QUOTE]
Nah...while I agree that a few calls were just bizarre, it was ultimately the Lakers who lost this game. Defense wins championships and the Lakers D was horrendous. You need a team effort to beat the Celtics. The Lakers need to forget about the refs, forget about everything else and just focus on trying to win the next 2 games as a team.

Wow... I knew that Rondo was scoring the ball at a pretty efficient rate tonight, but I just took a look at the box for the first time.

He finished 9-for-12 from the field to go along with eight assists. :applause:

Rajon continues to impress and no stage seems too big for him. What a coming out party this post-season has been for him.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Wow... I knew that Rondo was scoring the ball at a pretty efficient rate tonight, but I just took a look at the box for the first time.

He finished 9-for-12 from the field to go along with eight assists. :applause:

Rajon continues to impress and no stage seems too big for him. What a coming out party this post-season has been for him.[/QUOTE]

There was at least one instance where I thought he should have just shot the ball instead of looking to dish it. He has a little room to improve his decision making.

Also, he missed a gimme tonight. idk if its because he goes up wiht one hand a lot or what but he misses layups occasionally. Either way, he is damn impressive lately and looks to be a superstar soon, if not already.

The Lakers two 7 footers collectively played like two ******s. I know Gasol ended up with 12 rebounds but it had to be the quietest and wussiest 12 rebounds in NBA finals history. And hurting or not, if you're a 7 footer and play 32 minutes, you almost have to be trying to only get 1 rebound. That's pathetic.

And oh yeah, the Celtics were just the better team tonight. The game was not nearly as close as the final 6 point margin indicates.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]There was at least one instance where I thought he should have just shot the ball instead of looking to dish it. He has a little room to improve his decision making.

Also, he missed a gimme tonight. idk if its because he goes up wiht one hand a lot or what but he misses layups occasionally. Either way, he is damn impressive lately and looks to be a superstar soon, if not already.[/QUOTE]
...and he had the seven turnovers, which is about three too many, even for a PG that does as much ball-handling as Rondo.

Still, guy is the truth.

[QUOTE=KG215]The Lakers two 7 footers collectively played like two ******s. I know Gasol ended up with 12 rebounds but it had to be the quietest and wussiest 12 rebounds in NBA finals history. And hurting or not, if you're a 7 footer and play 32 minutes, you almost have to be trying to only get 1 rebound. That's pathetic.

And oh yeah, the Celtics were just the better team tonight. The game was not nearly as close as the final 6 point margin indicates.[/QUOTE]

Out of the third quarter numbers, Kobe shot 33% from the field on 18 field goal attempts. 33% and 18 attempts = big difference than 12 PTS 12 REB 12 FG attempts. Give Gasol the same number of touches as Kobe..18 those three quarters. I'll take his high percentage shots over tough shots.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]...and he had the seven turnovers, which is about three too many, even for a PG that does as much ball-handling as Rondo.

Still, guy is the truth.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I only expect him to become more refined and better as time goes on. I had a friend tell me he is the best PG in the league now but he is just overreacting. I'd take Deron over him any day and most likely Paul. I can't wait till Paul comes back and rips up the league. I might get league pass just to see it.

[QUOTE=sayitaintso]Out of the third quarter numbers, Kobe shot 33% from the field on 18 field goal attempts. 33% and 18 attempts = big difference than 12 PTS 12 REB 12 FG attempts. Give Gasol the same number of touches as Kobe..18 those three quarters. I'll take his high percentage shots over tough shots.[/QUOTE]

I'll give you that, but I watched all 48 minutes of that game rather intently, and for the most part I completely forgot Gasol was in the game. That's not a good thing for a team's #2 option in tied NBA series.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Wow... I knew that Rondo was scoring the ball at a pretty efficient rate tonight, but I just took a look at the box for the first time.

He finished 9-for-12 from the field to go along with eight assists. :applause:

Rajon continues to impress and no stage seems too big for him. What a coming out party this post-season has been for him.[/QUOTE]
you forgot his 7 TOs, many due to his overpenetration and resultant stupid play. overpenetration, is that like crushing the cervix?

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]...and he had the seven turnovers, which is about three too many, even for a PG that does as much ball-handling as Rondo.

Still, guy is the truth.[/QUOTE]
no, Pierce is the truth, Ray is jesus.

With the truth and jesus on your side, how can you lose?

[QUOTE=KG215]I'll give you that, but I watched all 48 minutes of that game rather intently, and for the most part I completely forgot Gasol was in the game. That's not a good thing for a team's #2 option in tied NBA series.[/QUOTE]
yeah, he wasnt very noticeable, but I also didnt see him get it in the low post much. he was being pushed out of position and very few re-sets.

How did the Celtics won? Essentially because LA is using all of their cap space and only has 2, arguably 3, players on their roster.

So I'm laying in bed watching a downloaded replay of the game and I'm watching the Lakers defense a bit more closely. Felt compelled to get up and get opinions on something.

Kobe should be playing Rondo more tightly on defense. Given how poorly the defensive rotations are on the LA side right now added to the fact that Bynum is not playing the middle right now at anything near 100%, does it really help the Lakers defense to give Rondo THAT much room to run things and pick them apart?

[QUOTE=Derka]So I'm laying in bed watching a downloaded replay of the game and I'm watching the Lakers defense a bit more closely. Felt compelled to get up and get opinions on something.

Kobe should be playing Rondo more tightly on defense. Given how poorly the defensive rotations are on the LA side right now added to the fact that Bynum is not playing the middle right now at anything near 100%, does it really help the Lakers defense to give Rondo THAT much room to run things and pick them apart?[/QUOTE]
hmmn, Im not sure about that. I do think that kobe gave up a lot of plays for rondo by playing off him a little too far, but I also think that playing his passing lanes is much more important than checking his initial movement or shot attempt. Hes not blowing by kobe that much, but he is setting up others effectively.

I do think that kobe's D suffers when he becomes the one man O show (primary handler, initiator and finisher).

[QUOTE=rfm767]How did the Celtics won? Essentially because LA is using all of their cap space and only has 2, arguably 3, players on their roster.[/QUOTE]
:violin:

YOu falkin frontrunning fans are straight pathetic. what a bunch of no balls crybabies you are. What were you saying about pau after game 1.


Learn to roll with some punches

[QUOTE=boozehound]:violin:

YOu falkin frontrunning fans are straight pathetic. what a bunch of no balls crybabies you are. What were you saying about pau after game 1.


Learn to roll with some punches[/QUOTE]
And, once again, in LA's Game 2 loss, Pau was 7-for-10 with 25 points, eight boards, and six blocks while Kobe was 8-for-20 with 20 points and five turnovers.

I am not pointing this out in an attempt to put down Kobe... Quite the contrary, I just want to give Gasol the praise he deserves for being arguably the most skilled big man in the league. It bothers me that self-described Lakers fans are so quick to abandon this guy after a sub-par performance.

Stick with your guys... Win or lose.

I'm still a fan of Antawn Jamison and Gasol has been playing like a prime Wilt Chamberlain compared to the series that Jamison had against Boston.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]And, once again, in LA's Game 2 loss, Pau was 7-for-10 with 25 points, eight boards, and six blocks while Kobe was 8-for-20 with 20 points and five turnovers.

I am not pointing this out in an attempt to put down Kobe... Quite the contrary, I just want to give Gasol the praise he deserves for being arguably the most skilled big man in the league. It bothers me that self-described Lakers fans are so quick to abandon this guy after a sub-par performance.

Stick with your guys... Win or lose.

I'm still a fan of Antawn Jamison and Gasol has been playing like a prime Wilt Chamberlain compared to the series that Jamison had against Boston.[/QUOTE]

Wow, game 5 with the series being tied up at 2 is a lot more important then being up 1-0 playing game 2. Pau was horrible tonight in a pretty damn important game.

[QUOTE=Story Up]Wow, game 5 with the series being tied up at 2 is a lot more important then being up 1-0 playing game 2. Pau was horrible tonight in a pretty damn important game.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say he wasn't terrible and I know that it was a huge game. Still, Game 2 was big, too. Losing home court and failing to maintain the momentum in this series was pretty big with a three-game swing in Boston on the horizon.

Pau was fantastic in that game. Let's not just dismiss his excellent games and over-emphasize his bad ones.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Didn't say he wasn't terrible and I know that it was a huge game. Still, Game 2 was big, too. Losing home court and failing to maintain the momentum in this series was pretty big with a three-game swing in Boston on the horizon.

Pau was fantastic in that game. Let's not just dismiss his excellent games and over-emphasize his bad ones.[/QUOTE]

I love Pau more then any other big man but he has yet to prove to me that he is capable of stepping up in BIG games; game 2 was big every game in this series was big but tonights game far exceeds the importance of game two.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Didn't say he wasn't terrible and I know that it was a huge game. Still, Game 2 was big, too. Losing home court and failing to maintain the momentum in this series was pretty big with a three-game swing in Boston on the horizon.

Pau was fantastic in that game. Let's not just dismiss his excellent games and over-emphasize his bad ones.[/QUOTE]
just be glad the next two are at home

[QUOTE=Story Up]I love Pau more then any other big man but he has yet to prove to me that he is capable of stepping up in BIG games; game 2 was big every game in this series was big but tonights game far exceeds the importance of game two.[/QUOTE]
I don't completely disagree, but if you guys win Game 2, the entire complexion of this series changes and you are almost certainly not down 3-2 at the moment.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I don't completely disagree, but if you guys win Game 2, the entire complexion of this series changes and you are almost certainly not down 3-2 at the moment.[/QUOTE]

I was blaming Kobe for wasting a great effort by Pau & Andrew in game two as well; but this game was a lot more painful to me.

I dont think Gasol has ever really been particularly happy playing with kobe, seems to ebb and flow from game to game, and funnily enough Gasols good games, usually comes from him getting his shots regularly, and when kobe goes on a ME quarter, Gasol can switch off...I mean, its almost like some games, Gasol just sits back and lets Kobe self-destruct the team, I reckon if Kobe made a conscious effort to get Gasol all the touches he deserves, then we could be seeing the Gasol we know he can be...

History is about to be made. Celtics are 11-0 when ahead 3-2 in the Finals, and Phil is 47-0 when winning Game 1. Something has to give. Team faded in the 3rd quarter. More importantly, they didn't get stops the entire game. There's obvious tension in the locker room, anyone with common sense notices that Odom was calling Kobe out during his interview.

Ron's jumper is bankrupt, Gasol crawled into a corner when he saw KG and Rasheed, and Odom is too busy eating candy. Smh. About to be the toughest games of their life, or the easiest depending on how they want to go out.

They obviously won on their awesome chants. The oh so classy 'no means no' and 'ugly sister' (at Odom) might not be tasteful but they are really funny :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]anyone with common sense notices that Odom was calling Kobe out during his interview.

[/QUOTE]



What was said? I didnt see the interview.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]What was said? I didnt see the interview.[/QUOTE]


He was being questioned on what went wrong tonight. His response was that "We didn't get stops. [B]Rondo was making those jumpers[/B]..we didn't adjust..we were right there..we just didn't get stops." A reporter asked a similar question and it became blatant what he was trying to get across. His response(and I'm parpaphrasing here) was

"We just didn't get stops...you know, [B]the Celtics...even if they go through dry spells...they still have a chance and play D because they keep everyone involved in the offense[/B]...they move the ball so well. Everyone's involved..." He kind of grinned. "We just didn't get stops."

Barkley and Kenny discussed it for a bit, but the random tid bit of the Celtics spreading the rock was clear. He feels like they weren't as motivated because they didn't get the touches. I'm not saying this as fact, but he just threw that in there. Question had 0 to do with the answer. Seeing as how Bean went crazy in the 3rd(rightfully so) I just allude this to being what he meant.

Hope this isn't the case, because if they're having issues [B]NOW[/B], this series is over.

[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]He was being questioned on what went wrong tonight. His response was that "We didn't get stops. [B]Rondo was making those jumpers[/B]..we didn't adjust..we were right there..we just didn't get stops." A reporter asked a similar question and it became blatant what he was trying to get across. His response(and I'm parpaphrasing here) was

"We just didn't get stops...you know, [B]the Celtics...even if they go through dry spells...they still have a chance and play D because they keep everyone involved in the offense[/B]...they move the ball so well. Everyone's involved..." He kind of grinned. "We just didn't get stops."

Barkley and Kenny discussed it for a bit, but the random tid bit of the Celtics spreading the rock was clear. He feels like they weren't as motivated because they didn't get the touches. I'm not saying this as fact, but he just threw that in there. Question had 0 to do with the answer. Seeing as how Bean went crazy in the 3rd(rightfully so) I just allude this to being what he meant.

Hope this isn't the case, because if they're having issues [B]NOW[/B], this series is over.[/QUOTE]

this mother****er cant even get more than 40 pts in pop a shot and hes even talking to the interviewers.

It was embarrassing watching the Lakers D up Paul Pierce. This dude is purely a stepback midrange jumpshooter now, yet nobody on the Lakers would get up into his jersey. They kept playing 2 feet off him on every jab step like he has Rondo quickness. On the other side, the Celtics were playing Kobe so close they were basically stepping on his toes--forcing him to take difficult fadeaways, runners, and 3's (which he amazingly made).

Bottom line, if you let Paul Pierce torch you on the kind of shots he got (old man step backs), then your defense is trash and you don't deserve to win.

[QUOTE=Derka]
Kobe should be playing Rondo more tightly on defense. Given how poorly the defensive rotations are on the LA side right now added to the fact that Bynum is not playing the middle right now at anything near 100%, does it really help the Lakers defense to give Rondo THAT much room to run things and pick them apart?[/QUOTE]
I think Lakers doesnt do that because of two reasons - it would tire Kobe more, and also they [I]prefer [/I]Rondo taking jumpshots.

Celtics D has been amazing, Pierce and Rondo are dominating, Garnet has stepped up, and no one else on the Lakers is helping Kobe out.

The Celtics play championship defense, and that is what's going to win them the title.

[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]He was being questioned on what went wrong tonight. His response was that "We didn't get stops. [B]Rondo was making those jumpers[/B]..we didn't adjust..we were right there..we just didn't get stops." A reporter asked a similar question and it became blatant what he was trying to get across. His response(and I'm parpaphrasing here) was

"We just didn't get stops...you know, [B]the Celtics...even if they go through dry spells...they still have a chance and play D because they keep everyone involved in the offense[/B]...they move the ball so well. Everyone's involved..." He kind of grinned. "We just didn't get stops."

Barkley and Kenny discussed it for a bit, but the random tid bit of the Celtics spreading the rock was clear. [B]He feels like they weren't as motivated because they didn't get the touches.[/B] I'm not saying this as fact, but he just threw that in there. Question had 0 to do with the answer. Seeing as how Bean went crazy in the 3rd(rightfully so) I just allude this to being what he meant.

Hope this isn't the case, because if they're having issues [B]NOW[/B], this series is over.[/QUOTE]

Honestly makes me lose even more respect for him as a basketball player...he needs stops to play hard in the NBA Finals...what a loser, and an underachiever.

The Lakers have one day to get their act straight.

Yes they are going to be home etc. but the Celtics are a great road team and they know how to close out a series. What makes me nervous right now is the state of this Lakers team. They got straight up outplayed yesterday...key guys Odom, Gasol, Artest, Fisher ( I give Bynum a pass) all did not show up.

I don't know what miracle Phil can pull out right now but last night the Laker looked beat up and you know the C's smell blood.

So game 6 huge game...I made a whole bunch of predictions this series before it started and before each game etc. Got some right and some wrong...I would like to say I have NO IDEA what will happen Tuesday night...and if it gets to a game 7 it's a damn toss up IMO.

If I was a fan of another team just watching I would love this series right now. Take that the refs been making crazy calls away you got to love it if this goes 7 games. I am hoping for the best that the Lakers win Game 6 and Game 7 will be Thursday night. But if everyone not names Kobe on the Lakers decides not to show up again......it's curtains.

Defense, Boards, Hustle, and ball movement on offense...that's what the Lakeshow needs.

Two plays basically told the story of this game:

First the rondo push of Artest, I think the Rondo-Artest play was very important since it basically showed the toughness of the Celtics team. I've never seen anyone other than Ben Wallace stand up to Artest and we know what that lead to. Kenyon Martin, Artest, Rasheed, Ben Wallace have you seen anyone stand up to those guys it would be like Steve Nash pushing Kenyon Martin after a hard foul on Amare. The Celtics had been saying all year that the Celtics were scared of Artest every since the first time the played in Feb. Kobe even said they seen the look in Artest eyes and all the Celtics were "shook" of him. The lead was 1 when this happened and the lead only went up after this happened

And a step back jumper of Pierce on Odom, Odom just puts his hand up and almost blocks the jumper of course it goes in but if he jumps even slightly it's a blocked shot. The Lakers as a whole didn't show much effort on Defense in basically the last 4 games.

I have a theory on playoff series the team that gets the easier looks on shots no matter if you make or miss them will win the series. Most if not all the Lakers shots have been heavily contested while the Celtics have been shooting open shots or layups fo the last 4 games.

There's no need to overreact. Did people really expect the Lakers to win 2 in Boston? That would've been ideal but...they did what they had to do, win one in Boston to bring the series back to LA. Now just take it one game at a time. They've won 2 closeout games in a row against OKC and the Suns in these playoffs...it's just that everyone has to show up (which they usually do at home) and play together as a team.

People have to realize that Celtics shoot 57% and lakers 39% and the lakers lost by only 6.....and that too with no Defense and stupid bricking by Ron Artest....freaking 6'7 guy...just dunk the ball instead of layup

Anyways...The lakers will show up in game 6 and then game 7 is anybody's game

1 more win until I kill a few ISH posters credibility with some bumps.

[QUOTE=Allstar24] They've won 2 closeout games in a row against OKC and the Suns in these playoffs...it's just that everyone has to show up (which they usually do at home) and play together as a team.[/QUOTE]
There's a key difference when the team you're trying to close out is actually on the verge of knocking you out--not the case with either Suns or Thunder.

[QUOTE=krazy19]Celtics vs Kobe.

That only works in the regular season. The better teams deserve to win in the finals.

Missed calls by the refs sure took a lot out of the momentum that was heading towards the Lakers but they were playing terrible defense the whole game. 56% shooting.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? This was the best officiated game of the whole series. **** outa here.