he looks like a great white guy, and a decent role model for white people. I enjoy seeing him join the nba and ill enjoy watching him play...cause im white.
And cause im sick of seeing only black players.
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he looks like a great white guy, and a decent role model for white people. I enjoy seeing him join the nba and ill enjoy watching him play...cause im white.
And cause im sick of seeing only black players.
[quote=joshwake]I just hope this means that Utah has some plans for making a trade for a big that can defend. [/quote]
I doubt it. They'll trade to unload money but why do you need bigs when you have Okur and Fessenko. ROTFLMAO!
[quote]Maybe this means they are planning to unload AKs contract? [/quote]
Doubt it. They've hung on to him this long. They'll let him expire and try to re-sign him on the cheap next summer. They blew it when they didn't trade him for Marion. Last year would have been totally different. Still have Brewer, Maynor and myabe Marion.
[quote]I see him on the bench still in 2 years[/quote]
Probably cuz Jerry is the coach not necessarily cuz he can't play.
[quote]Something needs to start panning out for Utah or I don't think DWill sticks around.[/quote]
Looks unlikely anyway.
[QUOTE=Funnyfuka]he looks like a great white guy, and a decent role model for white people. I enjoy seeing him join the nba and ill enjoy watching him play...cause im white.
And cause im sick of seeing only black players.[/QUOTE]
Yea on that topic. I really do think White American's should take the Brandon Jennings route and get developed overseas because; european players aren't more athletically gifted they just have more polished offensive games when they come into the Nba and they can do it all especially on the offensive end. I think that would definitely help white players to be effective.
aside of the gasol brothers, most europeans guys never really fit in the US or the nba, the change of language and way of life is just too tough or they get spoiled as soon as they get their first paycheck.
[quote]I really do think White American's should take the Brandon Jennings route and get developed overseas because; european players aren't more athletically gifted they just have more polished offensive games when they come into the Nba and they can do it all especially on the offensive end. I think that would definitely help white players to be effective.[/quote]
Need more development period. A minor league like baseball needs to happen.
Another small forward with the 2nd round pick? WTF?
[QUOTE=Funnyfuka]aside of the gasol brothers, most europeans guys never really fit in the US or the nba, the change of language and way of life is just too tough or they get spoiled as soon as they get their first paycheck.[/QUOTE]
Nah you look at players like Dirk,Yao,Gasol,Nash,Fernadez, Calderon and the other effective European players you can see that their games are much more fit for the nba then the typical white american. Overseas you're just taught differently as opposed to being in America where everything is based off athleticism. And the Paycheck thing doesn't make sense they pay you alot more overseas.
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Yea on that topic. I really do think White American's should take the Brandon Jennings route and get developed overseas because; european players aren't more athletically gifted they just have more polished offensive games when they come into the Nba and they can do it all especially on the offensive end. I think that would definitely help white players to be effective.[/QUOTE]
I think the biggest problem with white guards, or college players in general is that they get forced into stupid roles that don't really fit in the NBA. Its seems almost like college coaches only want a white kid that can shoot, and unless you have a never ending energy supply like reggie miller or a little versatility like Ray Allen, then you aren't going to do anything in the NBA in that role other then shoot spot up shots. Or a guy like Cole Aldrich is forced into a defensive center role when hes not really big enough for most NBA centers. I think a lot of NBA talent gets wasted in college because the systems are just too different. I think NBA players would come out a lot better if we let a few guys come out of high school and the rest go to Euro or the D-League.
[QUOTE=ak47smohawk]It's too early to tell if he'll be worse than [B]Bochardt[/B] or Luther Wright.
Either way, worst lottery pick by the Jazz that I can recall.[/QUOTE]
:lol :lol :lol
As a Jazz fan for 15+ years this is ridiculous, I think we should hire kevin pritchard as our GM and get shit done.
instead we take the route of not wanting to contend for a title.
Patterson, George, Aldrich, Henry wouldve all been better choices. Im just disgusted.
He's not unathletic or a terrible defender. BFA is a baller
He was the best white player in the draft, is it a surprise that Utah picked him?
Dont Utah need a center?
[QUOTE=rosonviyavong]Dont Utah need a center?[/QUOTE]
Not really. They have Okur, and hes one of the better scoring centers in the league, and there wasn't really anyone that would fit the mold of Utah's offense, especially since Okur is the only starter who can spread the floor for Utah.
Utah needed someone to Cover Boozer's Place incase he leaves. Unless they are planning on keeping him, this was a Bad Pick. Their front Court's lunch and dinner will be eaten every day. :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=magnax1]Not really. They have Okur, and hes one of the better scoring centers in the league, and there wasn't really anyone that would fit the mold of Utah's offense, especially since Okur is the only starter who can spread the floor for Utah.[/QUOTE]
Okur is more of SF than a center, dude camps out there jacking 3's, Boozer used to clean up his mess on the Boards. If Boozer is gone next season, it will be a long season for them.
[QUOTE=rosonviyavong]Dont Utah need a center?[/QUOTE]
Yes, very much so.
I think this draft pick doesn't make a lot of sense yet, but will in time.
First of all... they tried very hard to move up to get a center. The reports are out that Utah was VERY aggressive, but had no takers. So they had to go to plan B, and the thing I really like about the kid is that he can handle the ball, and he's tall for the role I expect he'll play. Other than the main pg, Utah always lacks in people who can handle the ball, or they are short. This guy really seems to have a lot of intangibles.
The other centers probably looked like more of what we already have, or long term projects etc. Big guys that you probably can find all over. Even if they're a little better, that's not gonna help Utah enough.
So this pick makes some other guys expendable, adds ballhandling, IQ, heart, and sounds like a guy everyone else loves to play with. I think the Jazz will look to make a trade to get a center, and if we don't end up with one my spring-time, then I'm gonna *****.
The 55th pick is a dunker, athletic, kind of guy that probably can fill the lane and have Deron feed him on the break. A long shot to make the team, but sounds like he might have the body, and athleticism. They said they liked his workout they had with him.
But Gordon should help save money, which should be reinvested to bring in a big man. We'll see.
[QUOTE=Chalkmaze]Yes, very much so.
I think this draft pick doesn't make a lot of sense yet, but will in time.
First of all... they tried very hard to move up to get a center. The reports are out that Utah was VERY aggressive, but had no takers. So they had to go to plan B, and the thing I really like about the kid is that he can handle the ball, and he's tall for the role I expect he'll play. Other than the main pg, Utah always lacks in people who can handle the ball, or they are short. This guy really seems to have a lot of intangibles.
The other centers probably looked like more of what we already have, or long term projects etc. Big guys that you probably can find all over. Even if they're a little better, that's not gonna help Utah enough.
So this pick makes some other guys expendable, adds ballhandling, IQ, heart, and sounds like a guy everyone else loves to play with. I think the Jazz will look to make a trade to get a center, and if we don't end up with one my spring-time, then I'm gonna *****.
The 55th pick is a dunker, athletic, kind of guy that probably can fill the lane and have Deron feed him on the break. A long shot to make the team, but sounds like he might have the body, and athleticism. They said they liked his workout they had with him.
But Gordon should help save money, which should be reinvested to bring in a big man. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
:hammerhead: :hammerhead: you guys just drafted kyle kover part deux by getting gordon. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=dr8ked]Okur is more of SF than a center, dude camps out there jacking 3's, Boozer used to clean up his mess on the Boards. If Boozer is gone next season, it will be a long season for them.[/QUOTE]
He definitely doesn't camp out on the three point line,even though hes not a great rebounder. And Millsap is a better rebounder then Boozer anyway. Millsap might be a better player then boozer by next season. Hes made huge strides each season so far. What the jazz need is
1st-More perimeter shooting
2nd-More athleticism
3rd- A shot blocker, which probably be a center
If the Jazz get rid of Okur they have no shooting outside of Korver, who plays on the bench. Then teams would just pack in even more then they already do, and their offense would be screwed.
Broke version of Mike Dunleavy.
Should have been a 2nd rounder, but got picked early because he's white. :oldlol:
Has anybody actually watched this guy play??
[QUOTE=ashbelly]:hammerhead: :hammerhead: you guys just drafted kyle kover part deux by getting gordon. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
No, tons of differences, although, he might be able to shoot a bit like Kyle. Kyle can't dribble and handle the ball like this guy, move like him, jump as high, have as much length (he's not super lengthy, but I think he'll be much more a presence). Yeah, a little more similar to Mike Dunleavy, but still different.
Yes, I think Gordan Hayward was drafted too high, but I'll say this, Utah is the perfect team/situation for him. With the motion offense that the Jazz run, Hayward will fit right in.
I literally laughed out loud when I saw the Jazz take the white guy. OMG.....good times..........
Did anyone else notice Larry Bird in the background screaming "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" when Hayward was picked? Too bad for Pacers.....couldn't get their white guy at #10.
I feel your pain, Pacer fans. We have same situation with Steph Curry last year.
[QUOTE=MK2V1GP]Bunch of mothafockin racist mothafockas in here, huh? I never said Hayward would be a star, but to say he'll suck b/c he's white is a joke. Does Lee suck? Hinrich? True, the NBA is mostly black, and I have no problem with that. But to just dismiss him b/c he's American white kid jus shows how retarded you actually are.
And I guarantee he will be a decent NBA player. What is with all the unathletic shit? Did ya'll not watch college basketball, or are you really that racist? [B]He is super athletic for a white kid[/B], and he's athletic period.[/QUOTE]
Loving the irony...looks like you're the racist one.
Do you even think before you post?
Morris Almond was/is better
47 for 167 from college three...ouch. I havent watch this kid play much but I hope his great off the dribble cause he will not be knocking down three's.
I was always thought White people where suppose to shoot better???
If Indiana were to pick Hayward at the 10 spot, was everyone going to call it a horrible pick like they're doing now, or does it suddenly become a pick that makes sense?
[quote]I think we should hire kevin pritchard as our GM and get shit done.[/quote]
We should but won't cuz they don't like to make changes unless forced to and he would cost too much as well. He probably wouldn't want the job. He's used to working for an owner that has money to burn.
[quote]Patterson, George, Aldrich, Henry wouldve all been better choices. Im just disgusted.[/quote]
Not sure why anyone thinks they needed those bigs or another 6'6" guard?
[quote]Dont Utah need a center?[/quote]
Yeah but not one of the skinny ones that were available. Koufos can play once the coach gets a clue.
[quote]They have Okur[/quote]
Unfortunately he's one-dimensional and should be a back-up that they are paying over 10 million a year.
[quote]Utah needed someone to Cover Boozer's Place incase he leaves. Unless they are planning on keeping him[/quote]
They are planning on keeping him. Hopefully he leaves cuz with or without him it's their strongest position. Milsap, AK and Koufos will do fine there. That's 2 of their top 3 players if Boozer does leave.
[quote]If Boozer is gone next season, it will be a long season for them.[/quote]
Considering Milsap has scored almost as much in Boozer's absence while playing at both ends of the floor I don't know how you figure?
[quote]The reports are out that Utah was VERY aggressive, but had no takers.[/quote]
What did they have to offer? If they had their own pick instead of giving it up for Korver maybe they could have got Cousins or Favors but I doubt it. Don't see what they needed with another skinny C anyway myself.
[quote]I think the Jazz will look to make a trade to get a center[/quote]
I don't. What would they offer? They don't like to make changes and won't unless forced to.
[quote]But Gordon should help save money, which should be reinvested to bring in a big man.[/quote]
If Boozer is signed they'll be investing in more minimum wage D leagers and stiffs like a year ago to fill out their 13 man roster.
[quote]Millsap is a better rebounder then Boozer anyway.[/quote]
Offensively for sure.
[quote]Millsap might be a better player then boozer by next season. [/quote]
Already is in my book.
[quote]What the jazz need is
1st-More perimeter shooting
2nd-More athleticism
3rd- A shot blocker, which probably be a center[/quote]
I'd start with a new coach that likes guys to shoot on the perimeter and likes athletes and shot blockers.
[quote]Jazz get rid of Okur they have no shooting outside of Korver[/quote]
Luckily for you he's pretty much untradeable with the ridiculous extension they gave him. Matthews can shoot outside. Miles has the potential as does this kid. And Deron of course.
[quote]their offense would be screwed[/quote]
Offense hasn't been their problem.
[quote]Morris Almond was/is better[/quote]
A better scorer maybe.