Some of the most Overrated Recruits Of All-Time

[QUOTE=TheGame414]This thread is getting dumber. And it started out really stupid.

Did Walker turn out to be the next Vince Carter like he was hyped as? No, but that sure as hell doesn't put him anywhere near the top of the list of overrated recruits. He was a pretty good college player, averaging 16.1 points and 6.3 rebounds in '07-'08 and fell out of lottery consideration because of a third knee injury. And he played the last 27 games in the NBA last year after spending most of the year in the D-League, averaging 12 ppg.

That makes him one of the most overrated recruits ever? Maybe if he'd been the No. 1 recruit in his class and was receiving LeBron-type hype, sure. But as you said yourself, he was barely a Top 10 recruit by the time he was a senior. Who cares what they were ranked when they were younger? If that's your logic, then you should've had Derrick Caracter instead. He was once the No. 1 prospect in the 2006 class, ahead of Oden and Durant. But picking him wouldn't let you verbally fellate O.J. Mayo by proxy, would it?

He was a good- but not great- college player and played in the NBA, thus normally negating him from consideration, but for a guy who was hyped similarly to LeBron several years before LeBron, for a guy who was supposed to be the next Jordan....how about Felipe Lopez? But that's the problem with this thread. How do you gauge how "overrated" a guy was as opposed to there simply being ridiculous expectations placed upon someone when they're still a kid?[/QUOTE]

With time my friend with time. OJ averaged 21 ppg as a true freshman including a 37 point outburst on 3rd pick in the 2009 draft James Harden. He teams just wasn't very good. If he made it far in the tournament this wouldn't even be a debate. OJ is arguably and probably the best shooting guard in the world under 25 years old, Monta Ellis is the only one who is probably current better going into the season, but won't be after this season. He has yet to be the number 1 option on his team.

OJ within his first two seasons has put up 40 points on Chauncey Billups, 32 points on Brandon Roy, 32 points on Tracy McGrady, 32 points on Manu Ginobili, 28 points twice on Dwyane Wade, 25 points on Kobe Bryant. This is without being the number 1 option. Talent isn't the question with him, you can't do that to the best ball players in the world within your first two season unless your going to be a special nba player. I take it your a Rose fan and don't watch him alot, it is really all about getting enough touches. He is one of the most unused guards per possession in the league. If you aren't touching the ball there isn't much you can do statistically and he has still managed to do 18/4/3 and 3,000 points his first two seasons.

Kobe Bryant was deemed as the next Jordan coming out of high school, but couldn't even beat out Eddie Jones to start for the Lakers. Then average 7 ppg his rookie season.

OJ has all the tools to live up to his name and hype, once he leaves memphis in 2012 when contract expires and goes to a team without ball hogs his numbers will come. See Tracy Mcgrady in 2000 when he went to Orlando instead of playing with Vince Carter as a Raptor. He went from doing 15 ppg to 27 ppg after that switch of teams, skill never leaves a player.

You fans want every hyped player to make an immediate impact average 25 ppg with the first 2 or 3 seasons. It doesn't always work that way, some players take longer to reach their full potential, but when they do that's when the fun begins. Kobe wasn't really Kobe 2001 that's 5 NBA seasons it took. Then he didn't master his skills until 2003, that was his 7th year in the league.


Another overrated recruit had to have been Gerald Green. #1 SG in the 2005 class, projected as the better version of Vince Carter is now out of the NBA.

To add on.

A guy like Derrick Rose has been getting way more hype than his production, mainly because he plays for a big market and grew up around there, and has freakish athletism. He played well in a few playoff games as a rookie including the 36 points 11 assists games on the biggest stage so got more hype, respected same with Westbrook this year against the Lakers.

Rose was a 21/4/6 pg this past season, that's nothing special, talking elite terms, especially if you factor in that he had the largest usage rating per possession out of any other pg in the league. It was almost 6 points higher than OJ Mayo's, who in contrast was one of the most unused starting sgs per possession league. 3 ppg more on 3 more FGAs. 3 more assists per game one is a PG other is a SG.
Being the first option that Rose was I was expect prime Marbury nesque numbers like 24/4/9. Being the most used PG in the leauge possession wise. That's getting it done, even i'll hope on board that but 21/4/6 as a pg wake me up when there is some real production.

In 3 years when both Mayo and Rose are in their primes and number 1 options or ball dominator then we will see who is the better player and trust me on this the stats won't lie.

[QUOTE=Rowe]Ironically he is in the new issue of SLAM that just came out. The guy is now coaching.[/QUOTE]

I totally didn't believe you till I looked it up. I want to read this article, can I find it online somewhere?

[QUOTE=O.J A 6'4Mamba]With time my friend with time. OJ averaged 21 ppg as a true freshman including a 37 point outburst on 3rd pick in the 2009 draft James Harden. He teams just wasn't very good. If he made it far in the tournament this wouldn't even be a debate. OJ is arguably and probably the best shooting guard in the world under 25 years old, Monta Ellis is the only one who is probably current better going into the season, but won't be after this season. He has yet to be the number 1 option on his team.

OJ within his first two seasons has put up 40 points on Chauncey Billups, 32 points on Brandon Roy, 32 points on Tracy McGrady, 32 points on Manu Ginobili, 28 points twice on Dwyane Wade, 25 points on Kobe Bryant. This is without being the number 1 option. Talent isn't the question with him, you can't do that to the best ball players in the world within your first two season unless your going to be a special nba player. I take it your a Rose fan and don't watch him alot, it is really all about getting enough touches. He is one of the most unused guards per possession in the league. If you aren't touching the ball there isn't much you can do statistically and he has still managed to do 18/4/3 and 3,000 points his first two seasons.

Kobe Bryant was deemed as the next Jordan coming out of high school, but couldn't even beat out Eddie Jones to start for the Lakers. Then average 7 ppg his rookie season.

OJ has all the tools to live up to his name and hype, once he leaves memphis in 2012 when contract expires and goes to a team without ball hogs his numbers will come. See Tracy Mcgrady in 2000 when he went to Orlando instead of playing with Vince Carter as a Raptor. He went from doing 15 ppg to 27 ppg after that switch of teams, skill never leaves a player.

You fans want every hyped player to make an immediate impact average 25 ppg with the first 2 or 3 seasons. It doesn't always work that way, some players take longer to reach their full potential, but when they do that's when the fun begins. Kobe wasn't really Kobe 2001 that's 5 NBA seasons it took. Then he didn't master his skills until 2003, that was his 7th year in the league.


Another overrated recruit had to have been Gerald Green. #1 SG in the 2005 class, projected as the better version of Vince Carter is now out of the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ, what does this have to do with anything? How obsessed are you with Mayo? That response didn't even have anything to do with what you were responding to.

But if you want to think that O.J. Mayo is going to be as good as Derrick Rose, I'll let you sit around and wait for that.

[QUOTE=Rose]I totally didn't believe you till I looked it up. I want to read this article, can I find it online somewhere?[/QUOTE]

Nah thats the ****ed up part about SLAM.

You probably have to buy it.

Gerald Green wasn't overrated.

Based on talent he should've been a #1 recruit. Those rankings dont account for basketball IQ.

I found a guy commenting on the article said it was about this!

For example, the magazine profiled Schea Cotton, the once-upon-a-time prep phenom who was hyped by Sports Illustrated as a 15-year 0ld. These days, Cotton coaches a high school team in California, having never played in the NBA. The story gives you the facts and a few quotes, but never delves into the depths of Cotton

Jerod Ward and Schea Cotton were good ones.

How about Ousmane Cisse? He was in that same class as Chandler, Curry, and Kwame Brown. Looking back on it, his whole situation was very weird. He was hyped as this 6'9 manchild with amazing athletic gifts. He was injured for the postseason all-star games so I never got to see him play. Declared for the draft then was never heard from again. It was almost like he wasn't even a real person, if that makes sense.

Marvin Stone is another one. He was generally considered a top 10 player in his class. I actually saw him play against a small school from southern Illinois who's tallest guy was 6'5 and he looked absolutely horrible. I couldn't believe he was ranked as high as he was.

You could throw Lester Earl and Jaron Rush in there as well. They're also the players I usually bring up when people try to tell me that Roy Williams is squeaky clean in his recruiting tactics.

Injuries messed him up but Jason Fraser at Villanova.

[QUOTE=Roy Munson]Jerod Ward and Schea Cotton were good ones.

How about Ousmane Cisse? He was in that same class as Chandler, Curry, and Kwame Brown. Looking back on it, his whole situation was very weird. He was hyped as this 6'9 manchild with amazing athletic gifts. He was injured for the postseason all-star games so I never got to see him play. Declared for the draft then was never heard from again. It was almost like he wasn't even a real person, if that makes sense.

Marvin Stone is another one. He was generally considered a top 10 player in his class. I actually saw him play against a small school from southern Illinois who's tallest guy was 6'5 and he looked absolutely horrible. I couldn't believe he was ranked as high as he was.

You could throw Lester Earl and Jaron Rush in there as well. They're also the players I usually bring up when people try to tell me that Roy Williams is squeaky clean in his recruiting tactics.[/QUOTE]

Marvin Stone died right? I might be wrong though. Or it may have been a different one.

Rush had drinking problems. It wasnt until a few years ago I heard about the story of when he was with Seattle and screwed his career at a team hotel.

[QUOTE=Rowe]Marvin Stone died right? I might be wrong though. Or it may have been a different one.

Rush had drinking problems. It wasnt until a few years ago I heard about the story of when he was with Seattle and screwed his career at a team hotel.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Stone died a few years ago. I had actually completely forgot about that until you mentioned it.

I was aware of Rush's drinking problems, but I'm not sure if I have the Seattle story straight. Is he the one that basically drank through his stay there and missed his workouts? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Just thought of another one. Jason Parker. He had trouble getting into UNC and I have no idea what happened to him afterward.

a lot of duke players

[QUOTE=Rowe]The #1 guy for me has to be Elijah Ingram.

Does anybody remember him?

The hype he received you would've thought he would've been a 1 & Done.[/QUOTE]

He wasn't THAT hyped. He was ranked around 25th if I remember correctly, and Foye probably should have been given the McD's AA nod over him. If he didn't play for St. Anthony's, he probably wouldn't have been an AA.

[QUOTE=Roy Munson]Just thought of another one. Jason Parker. He had trouble getting into UNC and I have no idea what happened to him afterward.[/QUOTE]
He went to Kentucky, and was actually pretty damn good as a freshman. Before Midnight Madness the following year, he blew out his knee messing around in the locker room. Disciplinary problems followed and he never made it back to the court. Parker's injury was the catalyst for an extremely disappointing season for UK in 2001-02. They had a TON of talent, but ended up known as Team Turmoil.

[QUOTE=ukfan22]He went to Kentucky, and was actually pretty damn good as a freshman. Before Midnight Madness the following year, he blew out his knee messing around in the locker room. Disciplinary problems followed and he never made it back to the court. Parker's injury was the catalyst for an extremely disappointing season for UK in 2001-02. They had a TON of talent, but ended up known as Team Turmoil.[/QUOTE]
That Kentucky season did produce one of my favorite random moments ever, Tayshaun's five straight threes to start the game against UNC, with the last one being from about 35 feet out. That's gotta be about the loudest a college arena can be four minutes into a game.

Rick Rickert :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=TheGame414]That Kentucky season did produce one of my favorite random moments ever, Tayshaun's five straight threes to start the game against UNC, with the last one being from about 35 feet out. That's gotta be about the loudest a college arena can be four minutes into a game.[/QUOTE]

Dude I completely forgot about that!!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_8z9Zizek[/url]

[QUOTE=TheGame414]That Kentucky season did produce one of my favorite random moments ever, Tayshaun's five straight threes to start the game against UNC, with the last one being from about 35 feet out. That's gotta be about the loudest a college arena can be four minutes into a game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but that was about the only thing good that happened. That team had, on one roster:
Tayshaun Prince
Keith Bogans
Gerald Fitch
Cliff Hawkins
Chuck Hayes
Erik Daniels
Marvin Stone
Jason Parker
Rashaad Carruth (Freshman McD's All American)
Marquis Estill

Most of those guys already were, or went on to become good to great college players. They ended up with 12 losses and a Sweet 16 loss to eventual champ Maryland, and I remember watching the game thinking they weren't even trying to win. One of the biggest wastes of talent in recent college basketball history, IMO.

Illinois had a similar year in 2001-02...we were ranked No. 1 in the nation going into the year by the Sporting News somewhere between 2 and 5 by everyone else (I don't think too many people had us lower than No. 3, really).

The loss of Sergio McClain and Marcus Griffin from the previous season was way underestimated, and injuries piled up: Lucas Johnson was out for most of the year, Damir Krupalijia was out about half the year, and Frank Williams played through more pain than anyone realized. Robert Archibald did, too, but everyone knew he was banged up. They finished 26-9 and went to the Sweet 16, and were a Final Four-caliber team by tournaemnt time. But the injuries piled up and if they hadn't spent too much of January and February with their heads up their asses, they wouldn't have been stuck with a No. 4 seed and a regional semifinal match with Kansas.

So at least you're not alone in having championship asipriations leaving you disappointed in that particular season.

There's a terrific book about college basketball called "The Men of March" that I highly recommend. The author (I wanna say his name is Brian Curtis but I'm too lazy to look it up) interviewed hundreds of coaches and spent time around dozens of programs in the 2001-2002 season, but focused most of his time profiling Bill Self at Illinois, Steve Alford at Iowa, Steve Lavin at UCLA and Mike Brey at Notre Dame.

Incidentally, all of those programs except ND started the year as legit Final Four contenders and all had disappointing seasons (to varying degrees, at least; Illinois still ended up with a really good year, whereas Iowa completely collapsed, with UCLA somewhere in the middle with a terrible regular season followed by a strong NCAA tourney run).

Speaking of overrated recruits, Ater Majok's probably leaving UConn
[URL="http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-men/hc-ater-majok-0827,0,6574436.story"]http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-men/hc-ater-majok-0827,0,6574436.story[/URL]

Things seem to be going south in Storrs in a hurry

[QUOTE=FormerSunsFan]Harrison Barnes[/QUOTE]

so far, so bad.

:pimp:

[QUOTE=Rowe]Gerald Green wasn't overrated.

Based on talent he should've been a #1 recruit. Those rankings dont account for basketball IQ.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, BIQ isn't necessary in HS, and is developed in college.

Some that played here:

Willie Kemp (top 25)
Darius Washington Jr. (top 5)
Anthony Rice (top 10)
Sylvester Ford (top 10)
Paris London (top 5)-top 5 name, anyway
Pierre Henderson-Niles (top 25)
Billy Richmond
Jimmy 'Snap' Hunter


Who mentioned Caracter? He turned out all right after he transfered, and he's now with the Lakers. How was he a bust??

And how was Telfair a bust?? You can't be a bust if you never played cbb, and as far as I know, he's still in the NBA.

Paulus was more of a bust as a football recruit.

McRoberts was certainly not a bust either. Hell, he made ESPN's top plays just two nights ago.

[QUOTE=AxionJaxion]In the Valley of the Blind, the one-eyed man is king. All bigs worth their salt aren't in college past one year,and in the mid-00s they weren't even stepping foot on college courts.

Rick Rickert and Josh McRoberts were rated at or near the top of their class. Neither dominated the college game, both were soft as Hell, and neither made/has made an impact in the pros, thus they were egregiously overrated. As was Greg Paulus, Brian Zoubek, and a slew of others. In a few years, I'm fairly confident we'll be able to say the same about Jared Sullinger, while Perry Jones is playing in All Star games.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about, in terms of college impact? A ton of bigs stay more than one year.

Are you saying someone coming in as a highly ranked prospect should be a one and done and that's what you're basing it on?

Isn't this the college and high school bball forum? You could have titled it some of the most overrated NBA prospects. If you look at what Sullinger is doing now, for instance, he is living up to the hype, I believe. Personally, I'd love to see Sullinger stay in college because he could be one of those guys that just tears it up. But I doubt he will.

And if you are rated as a top prospect and you stay in college does that mean you suck? Maybe you do it because you wanted to get something done (like win a NCAA... something not very many NBA players have done, truth be told.)

You are right about Duke players getting hyped unjustly, but that's life...

-Smak

Telfair wasn't overrated, he would have been great at Louisville. You can't grade players on what they ended up like in the NBA. I think he would be a starting pointguard (He starts on Minnesota until Flynn comes back, but thats minnesota) if he went to Lousiville

telfair

he was the next great pg before he was even 16....seemed like SLAM had him on the cover hyping him every week

As an IU fan Sherron Wilkerson. More disappointing. Very athletic but turnover prone in the system.

"a lot of duke players"

Domzalski was dumb enough to sign with (stack McDonalds All Americans) Duke. He could've been a standout on the West Coast. But hey, he got a good education.

Felipe Lopez never lived up to the hype.

listings of futore nba playors?

[quote=Metro L Gogh]As an IU fan Sherron Wilkerson. More disappointing. Very athletic but turnover prone in the system.

"a lot of duke players"

Domzalski was dumb enough to sign with (stack McDonalds All Americans) Duke. He could've been a standout on the West Coast. But hey, he got a good education.[/quote]Also didn't help that Wilkerson was a woman beater of course.

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Not 10 but here is a few

[B]James Lang[/B]- Should Have went to school wasnt a ready to dominate big man coming out of HS.

[B]Olu Famutimi[/B]- 7th Ranked Player in 2003 never really achieved Stardom at Arkansas 8.7 PPG Average at Arkansas

[B]Greg Paulus[/B]- Never became an elite Duke guard to follow in the Footsteps of the Likes of Jay Williams, Bobby Hurley and Johnny Dawkins he was average at best on several weak Duke Teams. Was a Highly Ranked Football Player coming out of High School. He is more known for being Dunked on in Spectacular fashion by Virginia Tech High Flyer Deron Washington on Separate occasions.

[B]Bobby Frasor[/B]- Started his career as a Highly Touted recriut for UNC a coaches son. He started every game as a freshman but would eventually be overshadowed by Tywon Lawson and would never see major minutes at UNC ever again.

B.J. Mullens- This Ohio State big man came after 2 other Highly Recruited 1 and done Centers Oden and Koufas had but didnt put together the statistics that those 2 big men put up at Ohio St. Left after his Freshman year after only averaging 8.8 Pts and 4.7 Reb and got drafted to the NBA in 2009 where he hasnt seen much game action in the league.