Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
[quote=jbot]just watched a video of Collison's 1st day at Conseco FH. what the hell is going on w/ his right hand? it was wrapped up like crazy.[/quote] Broke his pinky playing ball, he''ll be fine in a couple weeks, plenty of time for training camp. No biggie.
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Broke his pinky playing ball, he''ll be fine in a couple weeks, plenty of time for training camp. No biggie.[/QUOTE]
:cheers: glad to hear.
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
I am still amazed the Pacers finally got a real nice young prospect. Collison was a beast when Paul was out, and he is a very high IQ player. Playing 4 years at UCLA really stood out his rookie season. Great for the Pacers and great for the fans. He is going to be able to set the playe for his teammates, and he has an ability to score I did not expect. Granger will benefit from him on the court and maybe he can stop chucking those 3's.
I believe the Pacers will still have enough cap to make a splash next season. Just let the expiring contracts expire unless legit prospects come their way. Dunleavy has been very injury riddled, I don't expect much from him. But I wouldnt be surprised to see him post 12/3/3 if healthy.
Hibbert is only going to get better, and the departure of Murphy really opens the doors for Tyler Hansbrough. We will get to see what he really is made of.
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
[quote=ihatetimthomas]I believe the Pacers will still have enough cap to make a splash next season. Just let the expiring contracts expire unless legit prospects come their way.[/quote]I think that's the plan really. Sure maybe some outstanding offer will come their way again (still amazed all it took for DC was taking Posey's manageable bad contract and Murphy), but there's expirers who happen to be overpaid but still offer some legitimate top tier skills (Murphy's rebounding and 3s) and then just overpaid expirers. I can't see anyone giving up a prospect worth a second look for Ford/Dunleavy/Foster, there's not many cash strapped teams anymore and none of them could give a contender "that extra bump." Maybe Foster but he's got to show he can still play. And then of course matching money has to come in, which in all likelihood means taking on bad deals. We can't afford that.
Besides, people see all the money coming off the books and say "hey we've got 26ish million dollars to spend next summer!" Which is technically true, but there's a Hibbert extension coming after next season, and maybe one for Rush, though his wouldn't be a major raise like Roy I assume. Also, we can't sustain a payroll just below the tax threshold. Even if you don't even consider the extensions that need to be given the payroll has just been too high for the franchise the last few years. I could certainly be wrong but I don't think it's financially feasible for the team to have around the same amount of payroll as we've had recently going forward, not until there's actually a reason for it. $65ish million is just too much.
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
People, before you get too excited, don't forget JO'B's offense is not friendly to dribble drive PGs like Collison in the way that NO's was. He has killed guys like this before.
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
[quote=Nastradamus]People, before you get too excited, don't forget JO'B's offense is not friendly to dribble drive PGs like Collison in the way that NO's was. He has killed guys like this before.[/quote] This is true, he's never had a PG average over 6 assists (around there). I think anyone who's expecting him to put up 18/9 or whatever he did in place of Paul's going to be disappointed. I'm thinking more along the lines of 14/7 (he'll be the first!), which'd be fine. Thankfully JOB's gone after the season.
I also don't think this move gets us much closer the playoffs than we already were. If it'd been Ford, Dunleavy, any of the expirers BUT Murphy, I'd probably say not making the postseason would be a disappointment. Much as I dislike the way the team used Murphy so much we just lost a consistent double double (even if you want to argue how he got the boards) and are pretty unproven upfront. One of the rookies is going to have to come out really strong from day one, like almost ROY type strong, or Hans/McBob have to make some pretty huge leaps. I like both players, but neither is a starter on a very good team.
That's not to say I think this was a dumb trade or anything, I'm still jumping for joy over it. It's put us in a much better situation going forward, it's just not an immediate "we're a lock for the playoffs" move. If I were a betting man I wouldn't put money on it. We'll see if Legend can work some more magic on the frontcourt though.
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
Do you think JOB is even going to last the season? I think its clear to everyone and the players that he is a lame duck and they lost faith in him over a year ago. Granted the team makeup is a factor in his struggles as a coach, but he has absolutely nothing in his tenure and I would expect him to be bounced earlier than next off season
Re: 4-team trade sends Collison and Posey to Indiana! Troy Murphy gone
If it weren't for the recent coaching changes, I'd say no, he's gone mid-season. But we just brought in two JOB guys in Walter McCarty and Vitaly Potapenko (yes, THAT Waltah McCarty and THAT Vitaly Potapenko) as assistants. Frank Vogel's another assistant that's been on O'Briens staff at all three of his NBA stops. Jay DeFruscio I know little about other than this is his first year in the NBA after a long D3 career, so that's not a legit replacement.
That only leaves Dan Burke and the assumption that if JOB's fired the majority of the staff goes with him. The franchise couldn't afford to not promote from within. It's too bad Lester Conner got out while he could in the offseason.