Blake Griffin vs Michael Beasley

[QUOTE=plowking]I already said they posted similar athletic stats [B]though I think Beasley is going to be better due to being more skilled.[/B]

Posters before me were pretty much saying he was going to be a beast because of how athletic he is. Fact is, Beasley is just as athletic.
And no, from a few pre season games and summer league games we don't get the full picture of his athleticism. Beasley has dunked on the likes of Pau and other NBA starters.

Get a clue.[/QUOTE]

Yes VERY skilled.. It takes a lot of skill for a 2nd pick in the NBA to be auctioned off for a bag of potato chips right? What has is skill got him so far?

Beasley has had a bad attitude even before he came to the NBA. That was the knock on him and it came true, with the lack of work ethic and the marijuana situations (from the freaking first rookie day).

I'm glad that Beasley is saying he wants to work hard and do well on the T-Wolves but why hasn't he done it so far? And you can't blame Blake Griffin for getting injured. I don't think you know just how "athletic" he is. He's a lot stronger and more explosive than Beasley was. He also has INSANE handles.. Look at the :35 second mark in this video

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VpCsF1bq8[/url]

Just cause he hasn't played an NBA game doesn't mean he's gona be worth less than a second round pick.. Get your facts straight. Griffin is untouchable.. The Clippers didn't let the Nuggets ask about him even if it included Melo. Beasley was obviously not untouchable... You'll see man

[QUOTE=TheCalmInsanity]Yes VERY skilled.. It takes a lot of skill for a 2nd pick in the NBA to be auctioned off for a bag of potato chips right? What has is skill got him so far?

Beasley has had a bad attitude even before he came to the NBA. That was the knock on him and it came true, with the lack of work ethic and the marijuana situations (from the freaking first rookie day).

I'm glad that Beasley is saying he wants to work hard and do well on the T-Wolves but why hasn't he done it so far? And you can't blame Blake Griffin for getting injured. I don't think you know just how "athletic" he is. He's a lot stronger and more explosive than Beasley was. He also has INSANE handles.. Look at the :35 second mark in this video

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VpCsF1bq8[/url]

Just cause he hasn't played an NBA game doesn't mean he's gona be worth less than a second round pick.. Get your facts straight. Griffin is untouchable.. The Clippers didn't let the Nuggets ask about him even if it included Melo. Beasley was obviously not untouchable... You'll see man[/QUOTE]

So because a team trades you for basically nothing it means you're not skilled.

I guess Pau Gasol is horrible.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]So because a team trades you for basically nothing it means you're not skilled.

I guess Pau Gasol is horrible.[/QUOTE]

Pau demanded out. They also got Marc Gasol who is not terrible at all.. Also helps to have Jerry West in the middle of things. I usually agree with you Yung D-Will but not this time lol.

Beasley was shipped off in a fire sale.

[QUOTE=TheCalmInsanity]Yes VERY skilled.. It takes a lot of skill for a 2nd pick in the NBA to be auctioned off for a bag of potato chips right? What has is skill got him so far?

Beasley has had a bad attitude even before he came to the NBA. That was the knock on him and it came true, with the lack of work ethic and the marijuana situations (from the freaking first rookie day).

I'm glad that Beasley is saying he wants to work hard and do well on the T-Wolves but why hasn't he done it so far? And you can't blame Blake Griffin for getting injured. I don't think you know just how "athletic" he is. He's a lot stronger and more explosive than Beasley was. He also has INSANE handles.. Look at the :35 second mark in this video

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VpCsF1bq8[/url]

Just cause he hasn't played an NBA game doesn't mean he's gona be worth less than a second round pick.. Get your facts straight. Griffin is untouchable.. The Clippers didn't let the Nuggets ask about him even if it included Melo. Beasley was obviously not untouchable... You'll see man[/QUOTE]
Where the hell did this notion of Beasley not having a work ethic come from? He practically lived in the gym when he was the heat. Work ethic is no issue or concern with Beasley, all the concern is with his head. Anyway, this discussion won't even be close once Rubio comes over and starts spoon feeding Beasley all night long.

[QUOTE=#1RubioFan]Where the hell did this notion of Beasley not having a work ethic come from? He practically lived in the gym when he was the heat. Work ethic is no issue or concern with Beasley, all the concern is with his head. Anyway, this discussion won't even be close once Rubio comes over and starts spoon feeding Beasley all night long.[/QUOTE]

Rubio doesn't want to play for the Timberwolves, or at least from what I've heard.

The concern is in his head, yeah.. But just because he's a gym rat doesn't mean he's always trying to improve and get better. Most of it shows on the court too. Although I agree, his attitude problem is probably why it hasn't translated onto the court.

I've seen Griffin live. He dives all over the court. Fights 3 guys for rebounds. Strips people and dives in the air saving the ball while falling out of bounds. Jumps over scorers tables. In one game I watched he dove over the scorer's table, saved the ball... Jumped back in the game, recieved a pass, and dunked it. The effort and energy from the kid is just insane.

[QUOTE=plowking]I already said they posted similar athletic stats though I think Beasley is going to be better due to being more skilled.

Posters before me were pretty much saying he was going to be a beast because of how athletic he is. Fact is, Beasley is just as athletic.
And no, from a few pre season games and summer league games we don't get the full picture of his athleticism. Beasley has dunked on the likes of Pau and other NBA starters.

Get a clue.[/QUOTE]

You're telling people to get a clue, but I think you're putting too much stock in skill set, or versatility, and not enough in overall impact. Blake, with his power game, in combination with his passing skills (better than Beasley's) and ability to get his hands on steals and block shots (also better), could have more of an impact than Beasely's more perimeter oriented jump shooting game, at least IMO. Blake could potentially finish a season making half of his field goals, which I think Beasley will struggle to do when taking a high volume of shots in the NBA. He took over 100 three's last season in Miami, yet only made 28, that's either falling in love with his three point shot, too much settling for jumpshots, or bad shot selection. Considering Blake has similar measurements (though I think he's about an inch taller, and 20 pounds heavier), he's probably going to utilize his frame much better/more often I think. It's not all about athleticism for the sake of it, it's about how it's used, and Griffin uses it well and showed no signs of it not translating in the summer league / preseason.

[QUOTE=SCdac]You're telling people to get a clue, but I think you're putting too much stock in skill set, or versatility, and not enough in overall impact. Blake, with his power game, in combination with his passing skills (better than Beasley's) and ability to get his hands on steals and block shots (also better), could have more of an impact than Beasely's more perimeter oriented jump shooting game, at least IMO. Blake could potentially finish a season making half of his field goals, which I think Beasley will struggle to do when taking a high volume of shots in the NBA. He took over 100 three's last season in Miami, yet only made 28, that's either falling in love with his three point shot, too much settling for jumpshots, or bad shot selection. Considering Blake has similar measurements (though I think he's about an inch taller, and 20 pounds heavier), he's probably going to utilize his frame much better/more often I think. It's not all about athleticism for the sake of it, it's about how it's used, and Griffin uses it well and showed no signs of it not translating in the summer league / preseason.[/QUOTE]

I'm telling him to get a clue due to summarising my posts as something they're not. It's fine if he disagrees, though don't make it seem as if I'm saying something I'm not.

[QUOTE=SCdac]You're telling people to get a clue, but I think you're putting too much stock in skill set, or versatility, and not enough in overall impact. Blake, with his power game, in combination with his passing skills (better than Beasley's) and ability to get his hands on steals and block shots (also better), could have more of an impact than Beasely's more perimeter oriented jump shooting game, at least IMO. Blake could potentially finish a season making half of his field goals, which I think Beasley will struggle to do when taking a high volume of shots in the NBA. He took over 100 three's last season in Miami, yet only made 28, that's either falling in love with his three point shot, too much settling for jumpshots, or bad shot selection. Considering Blake has similar measurements (though I think he's about an inch taller, and 20 pounds heavier), he's probably going to utilize his frame much better/more often I think. It's not all about athleticism for the sake of it, it's about how it's used, and Griffin uses it well and showed no signs of it not translating in the summer league / preseason.[/QUOTE]

Good post. I've based the whole bust/star predicament over work ethic.. There's players who have an insane amount of skillset but no work ethic and they end up not being as good as they're supposed to be. Then there are guys who are not too skilled or athletic, but work hard (Guys like Varejao, Oberto, Kevin Love, Brand in his Clippers days, etc.. They do have skill and athleticism but their focal point was their work ethic) that get to where they are mostly because of their work ethic.

Well Blake Griffin is all of that and more, and strong as hell while also being super athletic. The best thing about his is his cardio.. The dude's energy never ends!! Those 11 hour sand dune training sessions made his 7 hour a day workouts at Oklahoma feel like nothing.

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[QUOTE=Demitri98]:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
once again a thread taken out of context:facepalm

[QUOTE=Random_Guy]once again a thread taken out of context:facepalm[/QUOTE]

some people really whiffed on their evaluation of beasley (myself included), what context are we missing here?

Blake Griffin.

[QUOTE=Al Thornton]blake griffin and blake griffin.[/QUOTE]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Alstradomous

[QUOTE=Al Thornton]blake griffin and blake griffin.[/QUOTE]


Thread should have been done after this post.