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[QUOTE=BallsOut]How about this?
[IMG]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yrONwmDnDo[/IMG]
To go along with 14/13 in the playoffs. Remember Bynum gets 13-14 mill per year and he barely even plays.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: So because one guy gets overpaid, everyone else is supposed to follow suit?
[QUOTE=BallsOut]To go along with 14/13 in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
There goes the rest of our cap space. Noah is now Luol Deng 2.0. Good player, but at least 20% overpaid.
Bulls will never be a title team now. They can't add any more decent FAs, and they draft like crap. Great.
This ruins my night. :facepalm
Seems to be the going rate for big man who can are double double threats.
[QUOTE=Clocian-IGN]of course not, you dont watch the bulls. this is also coming from a raptor fan who are desperately looking for a good center? :wtf:[/QUOTE]
LOL.
I have to watch the Bulls for 82 games to know that your GM f*cked up this contract? Good luck with that shit. Your team isn't a contender, still needs a couple pieces, hmmm let me go overpay one of my players and throw away some of the financial flexibility we have?
I like Coach Nick's take on Joakim Noah:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bballbreakdown#p/u/87/zhQuvs0nFjU[/url]
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]LOL.
I have to watch the Bulls for 82 games to know that your GM f*cked up this contract? Good luck with that shit. Your team isn't a contender, still needs a couple pieces, hmmm let me go overpay one of my players and throw away some of the financial flexibility we have?[/QUOTE]
and you have fun being one of the worst(if not worst)nba teams for years to come, with players still so bummed out about bosh leaving the team the coach called off practice. damn sad :violin:. sure wish you had a center to start your rebuilding dont ya :cheers:.
dont worry, maybe you'll get lucky in the draft or a FA will come play for you.....:(
Hey you guys want to keep Deng/Noah over Melo. The price of those two is well worth it. :lol
[QUOTE=Clocian-IGN]. sure wish you had a center to start your rebuilding dont ya :cheers:.
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The Bulls wish they did too. :lol
[QUOTE=Clocian-IGN]and you have fun being one of the worst(if not worst)nba teams for years to come, with players still so bummed out about bosh leaving the team the coach called off practice. damn sad :violin:. sure wish you had a center to start your rebuilding dont ya :cheers:.
dont worry, maybe you'll get lucky in the draft or a FA will come play for you.....:([/QUOTE]
LOL, the Raptors have been better than you guys for at least 8 out of the last 13 years and you want to talk trash about my team? I dont think you realize what your GM has just done.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Hey you guys want to keep Deng/Noah over Melo. The price of those two is well worth it. :lol[/QUOTE]
Carmelo alone would have been making close to what those 2 make combined.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove] I dont think you realize what your GM has just done.[/QUOTE]
Signed a valuable player on a contract that is consistent with the rest of the league for his position and play?
[QUOTE=VishaltotheG]NOOOOOOOO :facepalm :facepalm
I like Noah, but he's not worth more than 5/40M[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=Pharcyde]Signed a valuable player on a contract that is consistent with the rest of the league for his position and play?[/QUOTE]
Are you going to win a championship with your team the way it is?
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]Are you going to win a championship with your team the way it is?[/QUOTE]
So we don't pay him at all and lose him? Does that make us closer to winning a championship?
[QUOTE=Pharcyde]So we don't pay him at all and lose him? Does that make us closer to winning a championship?[/QUOTE]
He was going to be a restricted FA.
We're really taking it on the nose today Bulls fans.
Don't get goaded into stupid stuff, we'll be okay.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]He was going to be a restricted FA.[/QUOTE]
And someone else would have offered him the same thing or more...
Fair deal for both sides. Maybe slightly overpaid... but not even as bad as some of the contracts in the NBA.
At least with Noah, you know he's going to bring 110% every night.
wow, talk about overpaid :hammerhead:
Worse big men are making that much money. Good deal for a good center. The Bulls haters on this board are outrageous. :oldlol: It's like a constant Bulls hate campaign here.
[QUOTE=YAWN]wow, talk about overpaid :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
How is it overpaid when bigs make close or more than that? Camby just got 21 million for 2 years and he's 36. This isn't some mind boggling contract.
[QUOTE=Pharcyde]How is it overpaid when bigs make close or more than that? Camby just got 21 million for 2 years and he's 36. This isn't some mind boggling contract.[/QUOTE]
Camby is a beast.
[QUOTE=Willkill24]Camby is a beast.[/QUOTE]
And Noah is better then Camby.
Hopefully he doesnt pull an injury on an off day like Boozer. Dude is making bank.
[QUOTE=Skep]Hopefully he doesnt pull an injury on an off day like Boozer. Dude is making bank.[/QUOTE]
Noah's smoking bud on his off days. He's way too chill to do some shit like that. :lol
I agree with the Bulls fans in here. Compared to what other C's are getting paid and what Noah provides, this was a good deal for them. I suppose all you guys complaining are ok with players like Brendan Haywood, Andrew Bynum, Emeka Okafor, David Lee, getting paid in the $10-15 million range, but not Noah? Noah's better than all those guys. Especially with Boozer's latest injury, they're gonna need him big time. To the idiots who are crapping on the Bulls for not trading him for Melo, this is why they need Noah. Say they did trade him and Deng or whoever for Melo. Boozer goes down with this injury, and the Bulls are left with Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas as the bigs. Not very reassuring. It's NOT about Melo, it's about what's more important to Chicago, and with an injury prone guy like Booze aboard, Noah's going to be extremely important.
If Varejao got 5 years 50 mill .. i think 5YR/60 mill is pretty damn good for noah.. he is twice the play Andy V is ..
nice signing bulls ..
haywood got 5Yr 55mil??? soo yeah again.. nice signing bulls
This is an absolutely terrible deal for the Bulls. Why? Because you don't even have to give this guy a ****ING CONTRACT THIS YEAR!
The CBA expires after this season. After that, it's very likely that we'll see a pretty massive makeover to the whole contract structuring process, and likely that we'll have a lockout as a result. After all that gets settled players will be taking a MASSIVE paycut. This deal will look insane when that happens.
Think - the Bulls could have avoided this by NOT extending him, waiting until he's a restricted free agent (and when the new CBA kicks in) and would have likely gotten him for 8 mill/year at MOST.
Don't point to contracts of guys who were unrestricted this summer or signed previously - they're overpaid contracts are irrelevant. Noah's was completely avoidable.
[QUOTE=craiye]This is an absolutely terrible deal for the Bulls. Why? Because you don't even have to give this guy a ****ING CONTRACT THIS YEAR!
The CBA expires after this season. After that, it's very likely that we'll see a pretty massive makeover to the whole contract structuring process, and likely that we'll have a lockout as a result. After all that gets settled players will be taking a MASSIVE paycut. This deal will look insane when that happens.
Think - the Bulls could have avoided this by NOT extending him, waiting until he's a restricted free agent (and when the new CBA kicks in) and would have likely gotten him for 8 mill/year at MOST.
Don't point to contracts of guys who were unrestricted this summer or signed previously - they're overpaid contracts are irrelevant. Noah's was completely avoidable.[/QUOTE]
Let's see how the new CBA turns out before talking like this.
This contract isn't nearly as bad as some others. There are more swingmen that average 15-20 PPG than there are defensive specialist big men that can grab 10 rebounds and block 2 shots a night.
[b]Northwest[/b]
Camby - 7.6 (7.5/11.8/2)
Nene - 10.5 (13.8/7.6/1)
Okur - 9 (13.5/7.1/1.1)
Ibaka - 1.1 (6.3/5.4/1.3)
Jefferson - 12 (17.1/9.3/1.3)
[b]Pacific[/b]
Hawes - 2.3 (10/6.1/1.2)
Beidrens 9 (5/7.8/1.3)
Bynum - 12.5 (15/8.3/1.4)
Kaman - 10.4 (18.5/9.3/1.2)
R. Lopez - 1.7 (8.4/4.9/1.0)
[b]Southwest[/b]
Haywood - 6 (9.1/9.3/2.1)
Ming - 16.3 (DNP)
McDyess - 3 (5.8/5.9/0.4)
Okafor - 10.5 (10.4/9/1.5)
Gasol - 3.2 (14.6/9.3/1.6)
[b]Atlantic[/b]
B. Lopez - 2.2 (18.8/8.6/1.7)
Lee - 7 (20.2/8.9/0.5)
Perkins - 4.2 (10.1/7.6/1.7)
Dalembert - 12 (8.1/9.6/1.8)
Bosh - 15.7 (24/10.8/1.0)
[b]Central[/b]
Noah 2.4 (10.7/11/1.6)
S. O'Neal - 20 (12/6.7/1.2)
B. Wallace - 1.3 (5.5/8.7/1.2)
Hibbert - 1.5 (11.7/5.7/1.6)
Bogut - 10 (15.9/10.2/2.5)
[b]Southeast[/b]
Horford - 4.3 (14.3/9.9/1.1)
Chandler - 11.8 (6.5/6.3/1.1)
J. O'Neal - 23 (13.6/6.9/1.4)
Howard - 15.2 (18.3/13.2/2.8)
McGee - 1.4 (6.4/4.1/1.7)
Looking at this list of contracts and stats from last season's starting centers then I come to the conclusion that Noah should be making about 8.5 per after you take out the rookie contracts and bad contracts. I also take from this list that the center position is just at a rebuilding stage, as there are a lot of broken down pieces but even more young beast centers replacing them in the near future.
[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]I agree with the Bulls fans in here. Compared to what other C's are getting paid and what Noah provides, this was a good deal for them. I suppose all you guys complaining are ok with players like Brendan Haywood, Andrew Bynum, Emeka Okafor, David Lee, getting paid in the $10-15 million range, but not Noah? Noah's better than all those guys. Especially with Boozer's latest injury, they're gonna need him big time. To the idiots who are crapping on the Bulls for not trading him for Melo, this is why they need Noah. Say they did trade him and Deng or whoever for Melo. Boozer goes down with this injury, and the Bulls are left with Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas as the bigs. Not very reassuring. It's NOT about Melo, it's about what's more important to Chicago, and with an injury prone guy like Booze aboard, Noah's going to be extremely important.[/QUOTE]
Great post rap. We bulls fans need guys like you to help the idiots see the error of their way
[QUOTE=Pharcyde]And Noah is better then Camby.[/QUOTE]
Noah has'nt been better than Camby at any point in his career...
Considering Camby's age and the depth that Portland has at the Center position, Noah might have a better season this year though.
Camby and Noah are known for their defense, rebounding, shotblocking and hustle. Noah is younger and plays with more energy, but Camby is the better rebounder, shotblocker and defender.
Nice post by Blazersdozen. Repped.
Good comparison.. although listing rookie contracts might be deceiving. Some of these guys will get paid a lot more once their rookie contracts are up.
Noah got slightly overpaid IMO... good for him.
Not a terrible contract for the Bulls.
Am I the only person that thinks they overpaid? That's one thing that is bad about a player like Noah... he's a good player, but he's also a fan favorite so they have to pay him.
But yeah this is a pretty large contract. Not that anything points to this happening, but when you reward a young player who is driven by hunger with such a large extension they have the tendency to get lazy.
-Smak
[QUOTE=bdreason]Fair deal for both sides. Maybe slightly overpaid... but not even as bad as some of the contracts in the NBA.
At least with Noah, you know he's going to bring 110% every night.[/QUOTE]
This
[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]I agree with the Bulls fans in here. Compared to what other C's are getting paid and what Noah provides, this was a good deal for them. I suppose all you guys complaining are ok with players like Brendan Haywood, Andrew Bynum, Emeka Okafor, David Lee, getting paid in the $10-15 million range, but not Noah? Noah's better than all those guys. Especially with Boozer's latest injury, they're gonna need him big time. To the idiots who are crapping on the Bulls for not trading him for Melo, this is why they need Noah. Say they did trade him and Deng or whoever for Melo. Boozer goes down with this injury, and the Bulls are left with Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas as the bigs. Not very reassuring. It's NOT about Melo, it's about what's more important to Chicago, and with an injury prone guy like Booze aboard, Noah's going to be extremely important.[/QUOTE]
I wonder... they paid Bynum (which I thought was a bad move) because of his potential. I think when Bynum is on the floor, he's a big presence for the Lakers.
Haywood is good, too, but he needed to get acclimated to the Dallas system. He'll be fine. (BTW it says Haywood is making about 7mil...)
David Lee got overpaid because he signed with another team, but he's still not making 12 mil.
Who else... Okafor... he is in a bad situation now. I think he's a solid player, too. Could be a force on the right team. But he is overpaid.
Keep in mind, these guys didn't get paid this year... Lee did, but no one else. There is going to be a restructuring of the salary cap for sure, they say, and maybe 3 years down the road we'll be saying OMG Noah is making 10+ mil?
It's not really a good idea to come out and say "Look at what other teams overpaid their big men, that means this is a good contract."
-Smak
[QUOTE=EroticVanilla]It's over-paying, but all big men get over-payed so it's about right in line for what you'd expect, better then that 70 mil bullshit Noah was trying to get at least.
Personally I think he's only worth like 8 mil a year based on how good he is, but whatever.[/QUOTE]
If all big men get that kind of money, and it's right where you expect it to be then it really isn't over paying.
This makes Bynum look cheap. $15mil for a guy bigger than Noah and put up better stats. If only he can stay injury free...
Now you'll have to wonder what Brook and Marc Gasol is gonna get. Brook looks to get the max for sure.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]He must be giving half of metro chicago handjobs for free because I am not seeing anything that he does that is worth 12 million a year.[/QUOTE]
10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists and 1.6 blocks per game in 30 mins.
Here's a list of the players that gave you 10-10-2-1 or better last year:
Wallace
Pau
Duncan
Noah