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[QUOTE=Hihater]I'm sorry if english is not my first languages and what is ur problem? i didn't even said anything bad about you.[/QUOTE]Everyone who has to endure your posts is sorry, they are painful to read and they make you come across as a fool.
Try taking your time, nobody is going to die if they have to wait an extra 3 minutes for your response.
[QUOTE=gts]he's a heat/[B]ebronl[/B]/wade fan[/QUOTE]
:wtf: Me a LeBron fan? Really.....
I made this thread because they seemed even. You guys hating is dumb. Both played limited minutes and still put up very impressive numbers, so it's pretty thread worthy. We can bump this every 10 games from now and keep discussing it, not a big deal. It's clearly close from what people are saying, so it's not like its a Dwight vs Perkins thread or something.
As to people saying Kobe didn't do anything last game, well Wade sat out a bunch of times as well, and played awful vs Boston, so it evens out.
tie?
Kobe has been better so far this year. Its a small sample size obviously...but Kobe has been slightly better. Wade has stepped it up lately, but he had a terrible game in a relatively close loss to boston and he had that costly turnover against new orleans down the stretch....and wade has had a ton of turnovers so far.
Having said that. Wade is the slightly superior player and will show this throughout the year. Not a knock on Kobe....Wade is just that good when healthy and he's 4 years younger with about 6 year less of wear and tear. Its remarkable how good Kobe still is. Same with Duncan and same with KG and same with Dirk...those 4 guys have aged remarkably well.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]They also have 2 losses ...
:oldlol:
Kobe had two games in a row where he was sitting on 20+ pts at the half and didn't have to do ish afterwards. Could've easily had some 40 or possibly 50 point games already.
:facepalm
Lakers are blowing teams out too, kid.[/QUOTE]
If this isn't a homer I don't know what is. So Kobe could have easily had some 40 or 50 point games? No he couldn't have. Yeah Lakers have been great and Kobe hasn't had to do as much but that doesn't automatically = if he wanted to he could do whatever he wants ..
It's been 7 games. I think Wade's been better so far but very small sample size. Kobe's been hurt so from what I've seen where there's sizeable gap at this point is that Wade's been the much better defender. He's taking a few plays off tho. Either way 7 games too small of sample size.
[QUOTE=branslowski]:oldlol: You guy's are prob on to something.
But i'll give OP the benefit of the doubt.....But OP, you gotta admit....With all the agenda threads going on lately, this does raise questions....I mean, A Wade vs Kobe thread out of the blue...Then it happens the day after Kobe has his worst game of the year which knocks his numbers down, which then fits the Wade argument better....And 7 games? PPl will ask, why thru 7 games? Whats the rush?...Then they fall back into the thinking of you chomping at the bits after Kobe played his worst game of the season last nigh.
:lol ...But I give you the benefit of the doubt bro...:cheers:[/QUOTE]
I told you, I got home from work wasn't aware, I just compared stats and they looked very close. It's not like Kobe's averaging 20\5\5 and Wades averaging 30\5\5, there both very close.
Plus, I told you guys to put up numbers after 6 games. Or bump this thread 25 games into the season. Don't matter to me. I actually called it a tie, so clearly I wasn't being a homer for Wade, but I got 7 neg reps.
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]I told you, I got home from work wasn't aware, I just compared stats and they looked very close. It's not like Kobe's averaging 20\5\5 and Wades averaging 30\5\5, there both very close.
Plus, I told you guys to put up numbers after 6 games. Or bump this thread 25 games into the season. Don't matter to me. I actually called it a tie, so clearly I wasn't being a homer for Wade, but I got 7 neg reps.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I'm not saying you are being a homer or watever...I believe you....Just the time the thread was made, and the fact that it was made seems fishy to most...No big deal. I actually choose Wade anyway...He's been leading his squad to W's while still trying to gel with Bron and Bosh....Can't go wrong with either.
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]I told you, I got home from work wasn't aware, I just compared stats and they looked very close. It's not like Kobe's averaging 20\5\5 and Wades averaging 30\5\5, there both very close.
Plus, I told you guys to put up numbers after 6 games. Or bump this thread 25 games into the season. Don't matter to me. I actually called it a tie, so clearly I wasn't being a homer for Wade, but I got 7 neg reps.[/QUOTE]
Branslowski thinks anyone that posts something that does not praise Kobe has a clear cut negative agenda.
Who cares what the agenda here is? This thread is a good discussion. Even with the game last night...Kobe has been the better player so far this year. The stats are very close, but Kobe hasn't been turning the ball over a lot and hasn't had an awful game in a loss yet. Kobe also hasn't turned the ball over in a crucial situation yet.
You all know i love wade, but Kobe has been damn good so far this year and slightly better than wade.
It doesn't always have to be an agenda. Why can't we just discuss this stuff without kobe fans always claiming "agenda agenda agenda"....getting old fast.
Before last night night Kobe was averaging:
32mpg
24.7ppg
6.3rpg
5.2apg
46/35/88
1.0spg
2.3TO
[QUOTE=ginobli2311]Branslowski thinks anyone that posts something that does not praise Kobe has a clear cut negative agenda.
Who cares what the agenda here is? This thread is a good discussion. Even with the game last night...Kobe has been the better player so far this year. The stats are very close, but Kobe hasn't been turning the ball over a lot and hasn't had an awful game in a loss yet. Kobe also hasn't turned the ball over in a crucial situation yet.
You all know i love wade, but Kobe has been damn good so far this year and slightly better than wade.
It doesn't always have to be an agenda. Why can't we just discuss this stuff without kobe fans always claiming "agenda agenda agenda"....getting old fast.[/QUOTE]
Wade does seem to be "pressing" right now. Kobe seems about as comfortable as he ever has. Both are understandable give the current situations.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]Fishy?:oldlol:
Ok, Kobe had a bad game, Wade had a bad, amateurish game in Boston. It evens out. You guys really need to stop with all these excuses, conspiracy theories,etc.[/QUOTE]
I'm speaking on how it looks....Again...I never said dude made this thread out of agenda...Just speaking from what others think.
GTFO and cheer for your shitty ass Craptors.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]You had to resort to that so early?:oldlol: Yup, U mad. I'm watching the Hawks-Magic game as of now. It doesn't phase me, I just keep it moving.[/QUOTE]
I'm not mad....I love you.
Pretty sure if a Kobe fan made a thread like this after both game 1's of the year...He would be called out for pushing an agenda.
[QUOTE=ginobli2311]and no. i clearly won our debate as you failed on every front and just stopped replying.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Gasol isn't top 10 Player of the Decade.
THIS Lakers team isn't the BEST of the decade.
If I made a thread on thses 2 topics...The opinions would be wildly in my favor. There was no reason to continue going on since you were just spitting garbage and being stupid. I realized you are a troll. And moved on.
[QUOTE=branslowski][B]I'm not mad....I love you.
[/B]
Pretty sure if a Kobe fan made a thread like this after both game 1's of the year...He would be called out for pushing an agenda.[/QUOTE]
:rockon:
[QUOTE=branslowski]:facepalm
Gasol isn't top 10 Player of the Decade.
THIS Lakers team isn't the BEST of the decade.
If I made a thread on thses 2 topics...The opinions would be wildly in my favor. There was no reason to continue going on since you were just spitting garbage and being stupid. I realized you are a troll. And moved on.[/QUOTE]
you did not prove that Gasol is not. like i said...he is right there in the 10 to 12 range. where he falls in that range is opinion. you would take some guys over him like tmac. i simply would not.
i said this lakers team was the best team since the other shaq/kobe 01/02 title teams. you said the 08 celtics were better than this current lakers team with a healthy bynum. i completely disagree. this current lakers team would trounce the 08 celtics. gasol has improved, healthy bynum, artest addition, barnes addition, blake addition. sorry...this team is clearly better than the 08 celtics on paper.
[QUOTE=branslowski]I'm not mad....I love you.
[B]Pretty sure if a Kobe fan made a thread like this after both game 1's of the year...He would be called out for pushing an agenda.[/B][/QUOTE]
Sample size.
The answer would have been so obvious after both of their first games. Now seven games in, this becomes a legit question. Both have had great games and vice versa.
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Laker fans have all the excuses in the world :rolleyes: I made this thread with zero intentions of homerism, and I got legit 7 neg reps. People who can see through their homer glasses so far had great arguments and it could go either way. But once they see they can't win, they result to insults.
**** it. Someone posts stats of Wade and Kobe after 6 games not 7, and we can judge. So people won't say this is a homer thread.[/QUOTE]
This is a good topic why would you get 7 neg reps
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]
[CODE]Dwyane Wade-
24.1 PPG 6.6 RPG 3.7 APG 1.7 SPG 1.1 BPG 49% FG 38% 3PT 78% FT 33 MPG
Kobe Bryant-
22.9 PPG 5.8 RPG 4.7 APG 0.9 SPG 0.3 BPG 44% FG 88% FT 33% 3PT 31 MPG[/CODE]
[/QUOTE]
Just testing the code tag thingy. Edit: OP made a mistake on FG and 3PT FG for Wade, it's reversed.
But let me make a comment. So far on the 1st page there are a lot of people complaining that it's not fair because Kobe had a bad game last night. Fanboys suck, I mean it's so lame. So now we must eliminate games because they don't like the outcome? I remember that on the 1st game of the season Wade didn't do that great, Lebron did better, can we also eliminate that game? Can someone give the stats for Wade's last 6 games, and Kobe's last 6 games to make things even for them, and eliminate 1 of their games for the season? Heck, lets eliminate Kobe's rookie season since he wasn't an all start yet, but lets keep his career total intact, and lets also add it to his all time average.
Edit: Wow, even to go out of their way to neg rep the OP, just shows how emotionally invested they are in Kobe. I guess I'm going to get neg rep also for not bashing the OP.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Wade > LeBron
Kobe > Gasol
Kobe playing in limited minutes, not having the offense run through him has been just as productive as Gasol whose averaging 6 more minutes per game, and more shot attempts.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
this dude has gone in complete kobe love mode since lebron joined the heat. you used to be a good poster once.
Since people like to bring up "peak" play....I will say Kobe has been better than Wade in these 7 games.
Kobe's peak game this year was a triple double which trumps Wade's best game.
So people dont factor in defense? ..
Offensively its close, but the answer is Wade clearly because of his defense..
Wade has been active and elite defensively ....Kobe has just been taking plays off, even the announcers mentioned it.
Reputation people just assume defense is close and thats that .. on the court its not even close the type of effort Wade is giving and the type of impact hes having on the perimeter.
Hmm I genuinely think they're equal right now. Have to see in the playoffs.
[QUOTE=TheLegend]Since people like to bring up "peak" play....I will say Kobe has been better than Wade in these 7 games.
Kobe's peak game this year was a triple double which trumps Wade's best game.[/QUOTE]
kobe always seems to peak in the regular season and choke in the finals.
I've always maintained that Wade is the better all around player. Kobe is a better jumpshooter and iso defender(when he actually bothers to try). I also personally think Wade consistently plays much better the bigger the venue, where-as Kobe is somewhat inconsistent.
The biggest difference between the two is injuries, experience, and the fact that Kobe has played on better teams for the majority of his career. Wade is still young though, he still has time to catch up in rings.
I haven't been impressed with Kobe's defense yet, that's probably what separates the two right now. It [I]is[/I] only a 7 game sample with both players playing lowered minutes because of blowouts.
[QUOTE=ginobli2311]LOL...ok bud.[/QUOTE]
you are the ultimate kobe nut-basher. nothing but pure devotion from you for the cause
:hammertime:
[QUOTE=Hihater]u sure? because lebron alway get double team so it open it up for wade and kobe only do post up or create his own shot.[/QUOTE]
That's Kobe's game. It's not really a factor. Wade is a slasher, he's always going to benefit more from doubles on his teammates.
[QUOTE=Scribbles]How the hell is that not true? Only fans who watch ESPN and refuse to watch games will think Wade is good is true.
No seriously. If you think Wade is any good then prove it. And no, I'm not interested in hearing ESPN BS. I don't want to hear about how impressive his stats are[/QUOTE]
How about you prove that Wade [I]isn't[/I] any good buddy? You're the one in the minority here :oldlol:
Wade has been slightly better statistically and quite a bit better defensively so far. That being said, it's only been 7 games, things will change.
Kobe's still coming back from his knee surgery, give it another month.
Lets compare them after 20 not 7, Kobe is only going to improve as each game goes by. It was clear he was not 100% when the season started.
[QUOTE=All Net]Lets compare them after 20 not 7, Kobe is only going to improve as each game goes by. It was clear he was not 100% when the season started.[/QUOTE]
true. kobe is on cruise control right now. he doesn't need to push it yet. when he starts to push himself we should compare. that will also give wade ample time to gel with his new team.
my prediction is that wade will have slightly better stats and be a little bit better overall player in terms of impact this year...but the playoffs will be where this will be settled. i would love to watch these two guys go at it in the finals. i've never seen kobe play an elite sg for an entire series.....would be really really fun to see.
[QUOTE=ginobli2311]true. kobe is on cruise control right now. he doesn't need to push it yet. when he starts to push himself we should compare. that will also give wade ample time to gel with his new team.
my prediction is that wade will have slightly better stats and be a little bit better overall player in terms of impact this year...but the playoffs will be where this will be settled. i would love to watch these two guys go at it in the finals. i've never seen kobe play an elite sg for an entire series.....would be really really fun to see.[/QUOTE]
I think alot depends on what Bynum brings when he comes back as having options like Gasol, Bynum and Odom Kobe won't need to do as much.i think cruise control is the best statement to make on Kobe so far.
He will have huge games when he needs to and cruise in some games.
I agree i expect Wade to have better stats as he will need to do more imo. More so with Lebron looking at being a pass first guy than that 30 points per game guy right now.
Lakers depth also has to be mentioned, when you got guys like Barnes and Blake production thats even less reason for Kobe to do as much.
It is close offensively so far. But, Wade is tearing up Kobe as far as we compare them on defense. It's not that close when we include defense in comparation. Wade>> Kobe so far
[COLOR="White"]p.s. in before neg rep[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=All Net]Lets compare them after 20 not 7, Kobe is only going to improve as each game goes by.[B] It was clear he was not 100% when the season started.[/B][/QUOTE]
LOL. Wade didn't play virtually the whole preseason and was just coming off an hamstring injury. Stop it.
[QUOTE=canefandynasty]LOL. Wade didn't play virtually the whole preseason and was just coming off an hamstring injury. Stop it.[/QUOTE]
lol you're comparing a minor hamstring pull to a full blown knee surgery:facepalm
I think judging players doesn't make much sense untill 20 games awere played at least.
[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]I think judging players doesn't make much sense untill 20 games awere played at least.[/QUOTE]
Agree
[QUOTE=All Net]Lets compare them after 20 not 7, Kobe is only going to improve as each game goes by. It was clear he was not 100% when the season started.[/QUOTE]
Wade is going to improve too once the offense clicks. I can see him averaging 28ppg easy while still playing tough defense.
[QUOTE=tpols]lol you're comparing a minor hamstring pull to a full blown knee surgery:facepalm[/QUOTE]
if you play all preseason then its not that serious ..