Blake Griffin vs Kevin Durant vs Derrick Rose

i think Griffin will be a monster! Durant a scoring machine and rose a top 3 PG.

Durant needs to become more rounded to become the best player. Griffin has a LOT of work to do to become the best. but at this stage he is a beast and there is no reason to think he wont improve year by year. Rose has it toughest because he is at PG where CP3 and D-will will always be elite. he has the most work to do, as he has to pass those two to begin with. He needs a jump shot and get better at defending.

However with Boozer in the team now, we could well see his assist numbers spike. But he does need to continue to improve his Jump Shot.

IMO its hard to say how good Griffin will be after just 20 games. Thats why at this stage i have him at three. And rose has a lot further to go than Durant, who is already a top 7 player. so i have to go with

Durant
Rose
Griffin

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I agree that neither will be as good as Durant, though I haven't seen much of Rose this year.

Blake's scoring and rebounding numbers are nice, but he'll have to learn to block more than half a shot per game and make an impact defensively before I'll consider him elite because I don't see him being a good enough scorer to be top 5 on just that and rebounding.



Where will Dwight's athleticism have gone in 3-4 years? The guy is extremely durable and he's in great shape. He'll still have a huge athletic advantage over just about any big man barring a major injury.

Plus, Dwight seems to have improved his skills a lot this season, give him a few more years and he could be even better. He's still only 25, most players peak around 27-28, sometimes a bit later.[/QUOTE]
He will be a top 10 player at 29 or 30 but he won't be a top 3 he'll probably be
less athletic but he'll still be good but not amazing like now.

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]i think Griffin will be a monster! Durant a scoring machine and rose a top 3 PG.

Durant needs to become more rounded to become the best player. Griffin has a LOT of work to do to become the best. but at this stage he is a beast and there is no reason to think he wont improve year by year. Rose has it toughest because he is at PG where CP3 and D-will will always be elite. he has the most work to do, as he has to pass those two to begin with. He needs a jump shot and get better at defending.

However with Boozer in the team now, we could well see his assist numbers spike. But he does need to continue to improve his Jump Shot.

IMO its hard to say how good Griffin will be after just 20 games. Thats why at this stage i have him at three. And rose has a lot further to go than Durant, who is already a top 7 player. so i have to go with

Durant
Rose
Griffin[/QUOTE]
This would be the safest list because Durants already proven but if its based on potential
Griffin
Rose
Durant

[QUOTE=Ikill]do you really think that[/QUOTE]

no flipping way mate. A.I one of the best scorers of the decade. How on earth can you say jennings will be on that level? what so far leads to believe that?

[QUOTE=Ikill]This would be the safest list because Durants already proven but if its based on potential
Griffin
Rose
Durant[/QUOTE]

Durant can still improve in so many ways. his defense his rebounding his passing his turnovers.

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]no flipping way mate. A.I one of the best scorers of the decade. How on earth can you say jennings will be on that level? what so far leads to believe that?[/QUOTE]
What? I didn't say he was going to be

[QUOTE=SCdac]His defense is better than statistics suggest, I agree. He's leading that team in defensive win shares right now. But that team is also allowing 104+ points a game, which is obviously not good... But people need not forget that blocks aren't everything, even PF's like Barkley and Malone were not really big-time shot blockers. Karl Malone in his MVP seasons averaged 0.6 BPG, and Barkley averaged just 1.0 BPG in his. Griffin needs to improve on playing the passing lanes though, disrupt more passes into the post. From what I've seen from him (assuming he continues to improve, gains experience), he could be more valuable than both Durant and Rose, IMO. And I'm a big Durant fan.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09][B]However with Boozer in the team now, we could well see his assist numbers spike[/B]. But he does need to continue to improve his Jump Shot.[/QUOTE]

In a way, the same could be said for Blake Griffin, but the other way around. When the Clippers played the Spurs the other day, the team looked so much better with "B-Diddy" running the point as oppose to the inexperienced Bledsoe. Alongside Davis, Griffin got better looks, and his scoring will likely jump a bit the more they play together. Much like Howard, Griffin is good for a couple of alley-oops a night - it's just, it helps to have play makers and point guards who can find that. It doesn't have to be Stockton, but somebody who knows a thing or two about assisting players in the NBA.

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]Durant can still improve in so many ways. his defense his rebounding his passing his turnovers.[/QUOTE]
Those improvements are going to do very little compared to the improvements Rose and Griffin can make. Griffin and Rose could also lead the NBA in scoring but on better fg% too and they would be much better all around players Griffin could be getting 15 rebounds with 5 assists in his prime Rose could average 10 assists 6 rebounds.

[QUOTE=Ikill]What? I didn't say he was going to be[/QUOTE]

sorry mate looks like i misquoted.
i was talking to the jennings fan in this thread

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.[/QUOTE]
Why can't he be

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]sorry mate looks like i misquoted.
i was talking to the jennings fan in this thread[/QUOTE]
Okay its all good

[QUOTE=Ikill]Those improvements are going to do very little compared to the improvements Rose and Griffin can make. Griffin and Rose could also lead the NBA in scoring but on better fg% too and they would be much better all around players Griffin could be getting 15 rebounds with 5 assists in his prime Rose could average 10 assists 6 rebounds.[/QUOTE]

that is true.problem for rose is there are a lot of great pg's in the league already. he needs to distance himself from guys like cp3 and d-will before he can be in conversation for best player in the nba, which at this stage looks very very difficult to do. rose does have the potential though. he is ATM my fave player to watch in the nba

[QUOTE=SCdac]In a way, the same could be said for Blake Griffin, but the other way around. When the Clippers played the Spurs the other day, the team looked so much better with "B-Diddy" running the point as oppose to the inexperienced Bledsoe. Alongside Davis, Griffin got better looks, and his scoring will likely jump a bit the more they play together. Much like Howard, Griffin is good for a couple of alley-oops a night - it's just, it helps to have play makers and point guards who can find that. It doesn't have to be Stockton, but somebody who knows a thing or two about assisting players in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

very true

1. derrick rose
2. kevin durant
3. blake griffen

i dont see a ceiling for rose

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]that is true.problem for rose is there are a lot of great pg's in the league already. he needs to distance himself from guys like cp3 and d-will before he can be in conversation for best player in the nba, which at this stage looks very very difficult to do. rose does have the potential though. he is ATM my fave player to watch in the nba[/QUOTE]
True I don't know if he could become a better pg than CP3 or Dwill but i think he could be a better player.

[QUOTE=Ikill]True I don't know if he could become a better pg than CP3 or Dwill but i think he could be a better player.[/QUOTE]

yea i could see that happening.

problem is that in the future if rose does keep improving, if someone says ''rose is the best player in the nba'', inevitably people will claim ''whatever hes not even the best PG. cp3/d-will is better. so hell always have that monkey on his back. unless he can surpass them as PG's!

i think he is a better scorer than them. and could possibly become better all round aswel. it just seems like such a mountain to climb coz cp3/d-will are near enough perfect point guards. But it does seem rose has no ceiling to his talents. who knows with how good the bulls could become he is deffo a potential future mvp candidate

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.[/QUOTE]

It's too early to say he will or won't be better than them if you ask me. He hasn't even played every team yet, let alone had the opportunity to play with a John Stockton or a Kevin Johnson kind of player.

Per-36 minutes, as rookies, Malone and Barkley were at about 17-18 PPG, and they improved as their careers progressed. Griffin is about on pace with that (better). Both of them had better jump shots than Griffin, but I wouldn't say they were far and away better.

What leads me to believe Griffin is a great offensive player (not just good) is his activity, body control, and ball handling ability. He can score in more ways than one, and as his jumper improves it's only going to open things up for him. Right now he's assisted on about 56% of his shots, which isn't far from current Gasol and Stoudemire (not that those players are as good as the ones mentioned, but it's still impressive on Blake's part).

Obviously he's not as good as prime Barkley or Malone... but it's more appropriate to compare Griff to them as rookies, not as players with 5-6 seasons under their belt. As a rookie, his overall game is very solid, he should/could win ROY right now IMO. Definitely showing flashes of offensive dominance, on a team that's a bottom dweller independent of him.

I don't mind defensive win shares, as long as it's not used as an end-all be-all. Certain players, per 100 possessions, are going to produce better defensively than others, and given the minutes Blake is getting, the rebounds he's gobbling up, and the blocks/steals, it doesn't surprise me he's leading the team in DWS

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

[B]And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.[/B][/QUOTE]

Griffin has the ability to be just as good as those guys. Whether he ends up there is a different story.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Griffin has the ability to be just as good as those guys. Whether he ends up there is a different story.[/QUOTE]
ability and potential are a different thing dummy

[QUOTE=SCdac]It's too early to say he will or won't be better than them if you ask me. He hasn't even played every team yet, let alone had the opportunity to play with a John Stockton or a Kevin Johnson kind of player.

Per-36 minutes, as rookies, Malone and Barkley were at about 17-18 PPG, and they improved as their careers progressed. Griffin is about on pace with that (better). Both of them had better jump shots than Griffin, but I wouldn't say they were far and away better.

What leads me to believe Griffin is a great offensive player (not just good) is his activity, body control, and ball handling ability. He can score in more ways than one, and as his jumper improves it's only going to open things up for him. Right now he's assisted on about 56% of his shots, which isn't far from current Gasol and Stoudemire (not that those players are as good as the ones mentioned, but it's still impressive on Blake's part).

Obviously he's not as good as prime Barkley or Malone... but it's more appropriate to compare Griff to them as rookies, not as players with 5-6 seasons under their belt. As a rookie, his overall game is very solid, he should/could win ROY right now IMO. Definitely showing flashes of offensive dominance, on a team that's a bottom dweller independent of him.

I don't mind defensive win shares, as long as it's not used as an end-all be-all. Certain players, per 100 possessions, are going to produce better defensively than others, and given the minutes Blake is getting, the rebounds he's gobbling up, and the blocks/steals, it doesn't surprise me he's leading the team in DWS[/QUOTE]

Yes, I admit it's early, and I didn't watch Malone and Barkley as rookies so it's tough to compare, but I don't see Griffin as a guy who will turn into a true legend like those guys, a guy who will damn near lead his team to a title.

I view Griffin as being more of a Kemp/Amare/pre-injury McDyess level player. Somewhere in that group, which is very good still.

Rose
Durant
Griffin

Durant is basically already at this best.. I can't see him improving. Griffin with a good perimeter player will be deadly.. maybe moving up the list. And Rose is just in the best situation to continue putting up crazy numbers.

Rose
Griffin
Durant

durant isnt even the best on his team and is really inefficient. not the type of guy I want leading my team (shooting 20+ times a game on low fg%)

griffin and rose are beasts

Tough one
Blake
Durant
Rose

This is my opinion, doesnt mean it will be this way

Kevin Durant stands out...haven't seen enough of Rose or Blake Griffin to judge them. But all of them will be elite players.

Rose
Griffin
Durant

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]Griffin will never be a top 5 player in the league. He is Shawn Kemp 2.0 or Amare minus a jumpshot/free throw shooting with better rebounding.


Durant is clearly the best of these 3 and this thread is a joke[/QUOTE]
Durant will never be a top 5 player in the league. He is George Gervin 2.0 or Tracy McGrady minus the passing with better three point shooting.

Griffin is clearly the best of these 3 and this thread is a joke.

are we talkieng about a game of 21??? niice questen :/ i think alot of scoring in durant to get the pts but blake'thequake'griffin is avery good to the rebonds and you ened a rebound to get thte 21 but durant a very nice FT shoter. i think durant win it with his scoring and becuse of his FT shoting

[QUOTE=Theoo]are we talkieng about a game of 21??? niice questen :/ i think alot of scoring in durant to get the pts but blake'thequake'griffin is avery good to the rebonds and you ened a rebound to get thte 21 but durant a very nice FT shoter. i think durant win it with his scoring and becuse of his FT shoting[/QUOTE]
I'm asking who will be the best player out of the three

1. Rose
2. Durant
3. Griffin

This is a really difficult question and probably too early to tell.

All have immense physical potential matched with great attitude/work ethic and bball IQ.

The future is bright for the NBA.

If someone put a gun to my head I'd say:

1) Durant (simply because he has proven it)
2) Blake (because of his size)
3) Rose

But I'm not that confident in my ranking...

[QUOTE=Ikill]I'm asking who will be the best player out of the three[/QUOTE]
1.rose
2.griffin
3.durant

1- Durant: He can keep up scoring like a monster since he does not rely on athleticism to do the majority of his scoring. He has shown he can rebound efficiently too. He has to be more clutch of course he wants to one day win a title or two.
2- Rose will be more influential to his team more than ever in the coming years. He needs to reduce his TOs while keeping up the scoring at a high level.
3- B.Griffin: The reason he is third is that I reserve a higher chance of him being sidelined for a long time than Rose due to injury.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]Griffin will never be a top 5 player in the league. [B]He is Shawn Kemp 2.0[/B] or [B]Amare minus a jumpshot/free throw shooting with better rebounding. [/B]


Durant is clearly the best of these 3 and this thread is a joke[/QUOTE]

LMAO! Okay, Mr. PER (I mean, Mrs. Durant...). Getting ready to pop out some Durantettes?

This post shows that you not only watched basketball before, but you don't watch basketball now. And no- watching, stalking, and drooling over Durant DOESN'T mean you watch basketball.

Shawn Kemp 2.0? Do you know how good of a player Shawn Kemp was set to be? They were calling him the future best player ever. He was exciting, exhilarating, and everything that is right in the game of basketball. Get your facts straight before you compare people. You don't think Shawn Kemp was that overweight dude you saw at the tail end of his career since the beginning, right?

And you're a dumbass for saying Amare without a jumpshot.. Do you not remember Amare not having a jumpshot his rookie year? Do you not remember Malone not having a jump shot his rookie year?

Second, Blake Griffin not only rebounds better than Amare, he HUSTLES more than Amare. I don't think you'll find many better players in the league that are diving for loose balls, taking charges, and changing the game. Clearly you haven't watched the Clippers play.

Not only that, but Blake Griffin has 10x the basketball IQ that Amare has. He's a very good passer and is very good at not only passing out of the double team, but even making plays from the top of the key.

You should open your eyes and realize that there ARE other players other than Durant. Don't be like the Kobe fanboys that went hate mode on Lebron the second they heard rumors of him getting MVP instead of Kobe.

You want people to respect Durant but you can't even respect young talent :facepalm Saying a 20 year old rookie doesn't have a jumpshot.. While he's doing EVERYTHING else, including footwork, post moves, dunks (he gets any shot he wants), even 6-10 from 3 this year.. Makes your argument look retarded. I dare you to answer this, I'll talk to you for days about this topic. Bust out your PER or whatever the hell you need.. You're going to need a hell of a lot of help to get out of the hole you're putting yourself in with statements like these.

[QUOTE=SCdac]It's too early to say he will or won't be better than them if you ask me. He hasn't even played every team yet, let alone had the opportunity to play with a John Stockton or a Kevin Johnson kind of player.

Per-36 minutes, as rookies, Malone and Barkley were at about 17-18 PPG, and they improved as their careers progressed. Griffin is about on pace with that (better). Both of them had better jump shots than Griffin, but I wouldn't say they were far and away better. [/quote]

As rookies, Griffin's touch is definitely better. And Griffin's shot is better from more spots on the floor. Malone was better from the elbow (edge of foul line). While those guys did refine their shots some I can't say they added to their repertoire much at all. I think Griffin has a work ethic that will add more things and refine his shot as well. But this is guess work.
[quote]
What leads me to believe Griffin is a great offensive player (not just good) is his activity, body control, and ball handling ability. He can score in more ways than one, and as his jumper improves it's only going to open things up for him. Right now he's assisted on about 56% of his shots, which isn't far from current Gasol and Stoudemire (not that those players are as good as the ones mentioned, but it's still impressive on Blake's part).[/quote] Yeah, this is why I think he has greatness marked on him. His dribble, passing ability, athletism, touch, instincts, body control, power, and speed all mix at a level we only seen in Barkley. That is amazing because Barkley had that nitch sewed up. I also know that Blake's work ethic is vastly superior to Barkley's.
[quote]
I don't mind defensive win shares, as long as it's not used as an end-all be-all. Certain players, per 100 possessions, are going to produce better defensively than others, and given the minutes Blake is getting, the rebounds he's gobbling up, and the blocks/steals, it doesn't surprise me he's leading the team in DWS[/QUOTE]
Yes, good points as always.

[QUOTE=TheCalmInsanity]LMAO! Okay, Mr. PER (I mean, Mrs. Durant...). Getting ready to pop out some Durantettes?

This post shows that you not only watched basketball before, but you don't watch basketball now. And no- watching, stalking, and drooling over Durant DOESN'T mean you watch basketball.

Shawn Kemp 2.0? Do you know how good of a player Shawn Kemp was set to be? They were calling him the future best player ever. He was exciting, exhilarating, and everything that is right in the game of basketball. Get your facts straight before you compare people. You don't think Shawn Kemp was that overweight dude you saw at the tail end of his career since the beginning, right?

And you're a dumbass for saying Amare without a jumpshot.. Do you not remember Amare not having a jumpshot his rookie year? Do you not remember Malone not having a jump shot his rookie year?

Second, Blake Griffin not only rebounds better than Amare, he HUSTLES more than Amare. I don't think you'll find many better players in the league that are diving for loose balls, taking charges, and changing the game. Clearly you haven't watched the Clippers play.

Not only that, but Blake Griffin has 10x the basketball IQ that Amare has. He's a very good passer and is very good at not only passing out of the double team, but even making plays from the top of the key.

You should open your eyes and realize that there ARE other players other than Durant. Don't be like the Kobe fanboys that went hate mode on Lebron the second they heard rumors of him getting MVP instead of Kobe.

You want people to respect Durant but you can't even respect young talent :facepalm Saying a 20 year old rookie doesn't have a jumpshot.. While he's doing EVERYTHING else, including footwork, post moves, dunks (he gets any shot he wants), even 6-10 from 3 this year.. Makes your argument look retarded. I dare you to answer this, I'll talk to you for days about this topic. Bust out your PER or whatever the hell you need.. You're going to need a hell of a lot of help to get out of the hole you're putting yourself in with statements like these.[/QUOTE]
He's so threatened by the other young players in the league

[QUOTE=TheCalmInsanity]LMAO! Okay, Mr. PER (I mean, Mrs. Durant...). Getting ready to pop out some Durantettes?

This post shows that you not only watched basketball before, but you don't watch basketball now. And no- watching, stalking, and drooling over Durant DOESN'T mean you watch basketball.

Shawn Kemp 2.0? Do you know how good of a player Shawn Kemp was set to be? They were calling him the future best player ever. He was exciting, exhilarating, and everything that is right in the game of basketball. Get your facts straight before you compare people. You don't think Shawn Kemp was that overweight dude you saw at the tail end of his career since the beginning, right?

And you're a dumbass for saying Amare without a jumpshot.. Do you not remember Amare not having a jumpshot his rookie year? Do you not remember Malone not having a jump shot his rookie year?

Second, Blake Griffin not only rebounds better than Amare, he HUSTLES more than Amare. I don't think you'll find many better players in the league that are diving for loose balls, taking charges, and changing the game. Clearly you haven't watched the Clippers play.

Not only that, but Blake Griffin has 10x the basketball IQ that Amare has. He's a very good passer and is very good at not only passing out of the double team, but even making plays from the top of the key.

You should open your eyes and realize that there ARE other players other than Durant. Don't be like the Kobe fanboys that went hate mode on Lebron the second they heard rumors of him getting MVP instead of Kobe.

You want people to respect Durant but you can't even respect young talent :facepalm Saying a 20 year old rookie doesn't have a jumpshot.. While he's doing EVERYTHING else, including footwork, post moves, dunks (he gets any shot he wants), even 6-10 from 3 this year.. Makes your argument look retarded. I dare you to answer this, I'll talk to you for days about this topic. Bust out your PER or whatever the hell you need.. You're going to need a hell of a lot of help to get out of the hole you're putting yourself in with statements like these.[/QUOTE]

Blake has been hitting jumpers and developed a nice bankshot. His free throw shooting has already improved.

YouCallILose looks like an idiot.

[QUOTE=TheCalmInsanity]LMAO! Okay, Mr. PER (I mean, Mrs. Durant...). Getting ready to pop out some Durantettes?

This post shows that you not only watched basketball before, but you don't watch basketball now. And no- watching, stalking, and drooling over Durant DOESN'T mean you watch basketball.

Shawn Kemp 2.0? Do you know how good of a player Shawn Kemp was set to be? They were calling him the future best player ever. He was exciting, exhilarating, and everything that is right in the game of basketball. Get your facts straight before you compare people. You don't think Shawn Kemp was that overweight dude you saw at the tail end of his career since the beginning, right?

And you're a dumbass for saying Amare without a jumpshot.. Do you not remember Amare not having a jumpshot his rookie year? Do you not remember Malone not having a jump shot his rookie year?

Second, Blake Griffin not only rebounds better than Amare, he HUSTLES more than Amare. I don't think you'll find many better players in the league that are diving for loose balls, taking charges, and changing the game. Clearly you haven't watched the Clippers play.

Not only that, but Blake Griffin has 10x the basketball IQ that Amare has. He's a very good passer and is very good at not only passing out of the double team, but even making plays from the top of the key.

You should open your eyes and realize that there ARE other players other than Durant. Don't be like the Kobe fanboys that went hate mode on Lebron the second they heard rumors of him getting MVP instead of Kobe.

You want people to respect Durant but you can't even respect young talent :facepalm Saying a 20 year old rookie doesn't have a jumpshot.. While he's doing EVERYTHING else, including footwork, post moves, dunks (he gets any shot he wants), even 6-10 from 3 this year.. Makes your argument look retarded. I dare you to answer this, I'll talk to you for days about this topic. Bust out your PER or whatever the hell you need.. You're going to need a hell of a lot of help to get out of the hole you're putting yourself in with statements like these.[/QUOTE]
Just a couple of things to add to this. He calls Griffin a terrible shooter correct? Griffin is currently shooting 32% from 16-23 feet on about 3 attempts/game. Now, that isn't very good by any measures, but it's hardly terrible. Someone like Wade who is a SHOOTING guard shoots 36% from there. Other perimeter players shooting worse from there include Carter, Kenyon Dooling, Pietrus, Gallinari, Jason Kidd, Billups, and Jennings. Griffin is shooting the long range jumper at a better clip than all of those guys, and he "can't shoot."

Not to mention, his free throw shooting is much improved, as he's shooting 70% (up 12% from earlier in the year) in January. He's shown improvement in every aspect of the game, and this clown refuses to give him his due.

Edit: And oh, here's the website to backup the facts: [url]http://hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]Griffin will never be a top 5 player in the league. He is Shawn Kemp 2.0 or Amare minus a jumpshot/free throw shooting with better rebounding.


Durant is clearly the best of these 3 and this thread is a joke[/QUOTE]
:facepalm don't you feel stupid?

[QUOTE=juju151111]:facepalm don't you feel stupid?[/QUOTE]

why would i feel stupid? griffin has no game outside of dunks and he gets shut down when he goes against length