You can't do nothing to D-Wade," If you give him a hard look, that's a foul."

[QUOTE]as kblaze said, there are SIX guys who got more free throws last season than jordan ever did[/QUOTE]

After 1988...yes.

And Wade did not take more FTs in the playoffs than Shaq ever did either. Neither by total or per game. Wade took 250 in the playoffs. 10.8 a game. Shaq took 296 in the 2000 playoffs in the same number of games. And hes had at least 6 higher playoff runs per average. Maybe more since I didnt average out every season. Just the obvious ones. He took 254 in one less game than Wade needed for 250 in 2004. took 200 in just 16 games in 01. 261 in the 95 run in 2 less games than Wade needed for 250.

You can all check for yourselves im sure so no need to run them all down.

No idea where Elite got that.

[QUOTE=picc84]And I think thats what irks people about his game. That sometimes it seems like he's not playing to score but to get fouled, and to get fouled ONLY. Hence the egregious pump fakes, flopping, and self initiated contact. It used to annoy me about Reggie Miller how he'd leap into people like Carl Lewis at the longjump and get a foul called, like he wasnt even looking for the score, and its the same with Wade. I like his game but the forced theatrics need to stop.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree. Kind of disturbing. As his peers have noted. Who wants to lose respect of peers? The people who play the same game, at the same level as you do, and they think its fluke-ish. I wish D. Wade would just play hard, and not worry about calls.

i don't think the issue is the numer of FTAs as much as the perception that he seems to get them on some seriously bogus calls when he needs them the most; perhaps more than any other player in recent memory. Atleast that is the perception.

I can say that it definitely was true of the NBA finals. I don't know if it still holds true though since I don't watch heat games much.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]After 1988...yes.

And Wade did not take more FTs in the playoffs than Shaq ever did either. Neither by total or per game. Wade took 250 in the playoffs. 10.8 a game. Shaq took 296 in the 2000 playoffs in the same number of games. And hes had at least 6 higher playoff runs per average. Maybe more since I didnt average out every season. Just the obvious ones. He took 254 in one less game than Wade needed for 250 in 2004. took 200 in just 16 games in 01. 261 in the 95 run in 2 less games than Wade needed for 250.
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i dont think you can use the same criteria on shaq, ever heard of hack-a-shaq ? other teams intentionally fouled shaq to send him to the line because he is a 50% career ft shooter plus fouling him was the only way to stop him in his good days, players nowadays sure as hell arent purposely fouling wade the way they did to shaq and the way they do to duncan some times, power forwards and centers shooting a lot of free throws is completely understandable, specially if they do all their game 5 ft away from the rim.

"i dont think you can use the same criteria on shaq, ever heard of hack-a-shaq ?"


Hey he said it not me. If its not true its just not true.

Only reason to even mention Shaq like that would be to point out that Wade took more FTs than even he....a guy known for massive Ft numbers...ever got. And it simply is not true.

well, wade obviously didnt take more fts than shaq, i just wanted to point out why that is pretty obvious, :D

For the record all these people took more FTs per game on a playoff run than Wade last year(and im not counting guys who got knocked out in one round. At least 10 games played).

Pierce in 03
Wilt a number of times.
West 3-4 times.
Barkley a few times
Jordan(98 and 89 at least...maybe more)
Dantley
Karl Malone(a few times)
Oscar Robertson
Rick Barry
Amare
Bernard King
Baylor
Nique


Dirk was half a Ft a game back. Kevin Johnson was right there.

I hear its the perception more than the reality of it...and I agree.

*****ing about refs has hit all time highs and the problem is more noticed. But 20 something guys have taken more FTs a game in the playoffs than Wade did last year. As you can see its not just bigmen either. Swingmen have too.

As for when he gets them...another issue of perception and style of game. If its the end of the game every star is taught to go to the basket since youre more likely to get hit and its an easier shot. When Wade settles for a jumper late in a game(as he did vs the Pistons a few days ago) hes not getting calls when nobody touches him.

End of a game hes gonna draw contact knowing todays rules give the benefit of the doubt to the offensive player.

Such rules are why we can have 6 guards shooting more Fts than Jordan in his prime.

Seeing all his FTs makes people think things happen that dont. Make it look like he shoots them more than anyone when plenty of people took more. May "feel" like he shot more than Shaq ever did.....but he didnt. may "feel" like guards and swingmen never got to the line like he does....but they did. And do.

Problem with his FTs is far far more perception than reality. Once everyone makes a big deal of them they are noticed more and overblown. Thats why there are more percieved FTs than there are in reality. It may feel like hes on the line knocking down FTs for all his points. Reality? AI makes more Fts a game than Wade does.

But you hear 20 people ***** about Wade all day and night the complaining affects judgement. Wade gets no more calls than a few guys. And if he does its not by the margin suggested.

Takes a lot of FTs so he gets a lot of calls. But hes not on his own....

blaze - do you not take into account the validity of the calls? or just volume as compared to others?

[QUOTE=the even bigger black guy]blaze - do you not take into account the validity of the calls? or just volume as compared to others?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's the main issue. Not so much the volume. But the volume mixed with actual valid fouls. Mr. KBlaze is ignoring this issue. Maybe he is just a really big Wade fan?

I like the guy but im not a massive fan. Ive been called a Wade hater here more than a fan since I point out the fact that without Shaq hes basically a volume shooter who wins half his games just like Kobe was.

The calls being valid is considered. But most of the time people dont even see the calls to decide if he deserved them. He only need to be fouled 6 times to get his FTs. When you look at it like that its not hard to imagine a slasher being hit 6 times in 40 minutes. If Wade gets 6 fouls its rare less than 4 are obvious calls.

Nobody here would think he couldnt draw 4-5 legit fouls a game right? We watch these games. He DOES get hit a good number of times. If he actually needed 15 calls to take 15 FTs it would be unlikely all would be legit. But if you look at footage of his fouls there is basically always contact.

A true phanton "nobody touched him" foul is rare in the NBA. He gets a lot of calls that are fouls but arent bad enough to call in my opinion. But the guy does get touched on damn near every foul call. Plenty of guys get fouled on 4-5 shots a game while not driving the way he does. Not hard to believe he could get hit once more than them while driving at every chance he gets.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]But if you look at footage of his fouls there is basically always contact.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but not always enough to be a legit foul. There is always going to be some contact. It's a contact sport. Just cause there is some of it, doesn't mean it is an actual foul. Wade gets bailed out alot with the types of calls he gets. I don't know why you're making it sound like people who point this out are "b1tching", they are merely stating how ridiculous it has gotten with him in particular. I think you're defending his case alittle too much. There certainly is legitimacy to the complaints against Wade. It isn't mere perception. Some of the "contact" is self imposed by Wade throwing himself into players, in order to get a call. Then it is even more annoying when on those plays where he draws the contact, doesn't get a call, he will actually complain. That is the worst.

I call it *****ing because thats what it usually is. Who are we talking about here? Rasheed Wallace who lost to Wades team and despite being entertaining has a long history of being a poor sport and not giving credit to teams that beat his(see last year series vs the cavs). A group of Laker fans who make the same topic over and over about Wades FTs. I dont think it needs to be explained why Laker fans might want to diminish Wade. And then its mostly Mavs fans. Basically a group of bitter fans who take advantage of any comment even the least bit related to Wade FTs to make topics like this one.

Wade has basically an entire section of fans who look to bring his status down mostly due to bitterness. So they point out every single comment anyone makes about it. Bring it up enough and you start to change perception. But you cant change reality.

The reality of the situation is Wade gets fouled....a lot. And while he may gets some calls....all the stars do. Thats why 6 guard shoot more FTs than Jordan did in 13 of his 15 years. It sure as hell isnt them being more aggressive or getting hit more(in the 90s physical play at near its peak).

Guards get calls now. Wade is the whipping boy of the moment due mostly to bitter fans and a few players making joking comments. And 1-2 defeated coaches. Coaches *****ing over refs is as old as the sport.

Wade is just the face of the issue. But he sure as hell isnt the entire issue.

When you have people saying a hall of fame potential player is mediocre if he didnt get the FT a game he gets more than the other stars its gone way past concern for the sport we love. Its just flat out stupid.

I may think the guy is overrated by many. I dont think hes top 5 in the league and arguably as low as 7th or 8th. I may not think hes gonna win anything without Shaq. It may annoy me that people choose to diminish Shaqs impact on the team. I may have been annoyed when he got some shaky calls vs the Bulls in the playoffs.

But I respect the sport too much to pretend the refs make him what he is. Determination, wanting to make it to the basket, and just a little flopping(also called veteran smart depending on who you ask) get him his FTs. And with all that he still doesnt take way more than the other guys.

So im just not going to overblow the problem. I get annoyed when he gets a FT from leaning into Kirk Hinrich. But I get annoyed when Lebron, Pierce, Cassell, and Kobe do the same thing.

The rules now annoy me. The way the game is called so that guys like Gilbert Arenas can take 800 fts. That annoys me. But I wont pretend Wade is the sole beneficiary of it just because a bunch of overly biased fans with hurt feelings find a new quote once a week and make 4 topics every time he gets more than 13 FTs.

I have to agree with the consensus that Wade is a big time actor.

I don't care about the numbers. I've watched the games. And it isn't just with the free throw issue.

How many times last year did they report how badly injured D Wade was, only to have him enter the game, play fine, and have a huge game? They were reporting during the playoffs that he couldn't even stand up in the one practice without the aid of a cart, and yet he came into the game and scored 28 or something.

The guy is a big drama queen. I don't care how good he really is. It's true.

Mathius

AAP used to say the same thing about Kobe. How hed limp for a second then all of a sudden be able to drive and dunk. I didnt care much then and dont now. If you think hes a drama queen so be it. He is to some degree. And heres the last thing ill say on it....

When I was a kid everyone(in my family at least) hated the calls Larry Bird got.

Bit later it was Magic and the Lakers using that illegal D. Basically a loose zone that was as clear as day but the refs only clled 2-3 times a month. Magic getting a FT at every touch.

Then everyone was heated because ofthe pistons."How can they play like that! Thats not even basketball....". Badboys got a lot of room for error on what was and wasnt a flagrant.

Then when MJ took over the basketball world agreed he was great...but he got calls. Knicks fans hated it. magic Johnson said in photo shoots he couldnt get too close to Jordan or its a foul. Jordan gets away with the most obvious push off in history on a shot to win a title.

When the Lakers were on top "____ got screwed by the refs" was a daily issue. Kings fans, Twolf fans, blazers fans and all. Never ending *****ing over Shaq. 20 topics every playoff game where Kobe got a call or two. Nobody here at the time can deny that. **** it was like 2005 before some people stopped calling the Kings the 2002 champs here.

Few years ago the Spurs got it. Everyone mad over Bowens physicl play and from 03-05 Mavs fans and fans in general hated how Duncan got so many touch foul and 1s. In the 2004 finals all Laker fans here could talk about is the Lakers getting screwed by the refs.

And now we have Wade. The most recent champ with a line of bruised egos and bitter fans/coaches in his wake. Plus an entire other franchise of fans who hate to seeh im do what people said for years any elite guard would do on Shaqs team.

It is not a coincidence that 17 of the last 20 champs have some form of ref based controversey. Success breeds jealousy on every level. And success combined with a massive change inthe calling of the game makes for even more villians. Wade is the villan of choice right now.

And the next team to win it all with any form of ref based complaints will be the villian until someone takes it from them. Refs give an escape from accepting being wrong or your team not being good enough. Thats why Knick fans pushed the "Jordan is loved by refs" idea in the 90s. Why Kings fans set new standards for *****ing in 01-04 and why the Mavs and Laker fans have taken the title from the Kings fans. It will go on forever and every time people will pretend its the worst its ever been.

I'll remind everyone I told them so when it happens just like I said it would when Jordan was the target and when shaq/kobe were the targets. It will happen.

Until then....ill drop it.

the refs are on wade's nuts

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[QUOTE]Badboys got a lot of room for error on what was and wasnt a flagrant. [/QUOTE]

I know this is nitpicking a long post, but there was no such thing as a flagrant foul when the Bad Boys played. Rule wasn't implemented until the 90's.

As for Wade, I think he probably gets more than his fair share of "superstar" calls. Him and Lebron are equally frustrating to watch IMO...although I think Wade's getting to a higher level because he does the Reggie Miller thing where he's always trying to draw fouls on jump shots. That drives me nuts for some reason. Just shoot your jump shot, and if you get fouled, let the refs call it. Throwing yourself into the defender has always bothered me as being a ***** way of playing.

"I know this is nitpicking a long post, but there was no such thing as a flagrant foul when the Bad Boys played. Rule wasn't implemented until the 90's."

Yes but refs would give the tech and throw you out for the crazy hard fouls we now consider flagrants. And since 2 of them got you kicked out just like 2 flagrants I just dont think about the name.

[quote]Yes but refs would give the tech and throw you out for the crazy hard fouls we now consider flagrants. And since 2 of them got you kicked out just like 2 flagrants I just dont think about the name.[/quote]

I don't know about that. McHale clotheslined Rambis, which would be a flagrant 2 (or 1???, whatever it is that gets you tossed) and a fine today.....and he just got a foul and stayed in. Barkley piledrives someone (don't remember who) into the basket support.......just a foul. And Parish punched Laimbeer in the jaw and didn't even get a foul (though the refs may not have seen it)

Wade's regular season ft's were never the large issue (at least not til after the finals). They werent last year, and they arent this year. The refs have been relatively fair in each. It was the playoffs when he began to get the blatant prefential treatment, beginning in the ECF and culminating in the finals. Thats where the huge Wade ft conspiracy stuff comes from. Pointing out his regular season ft averages compared to other players is not a counter because the more serious complaints arent really about the regular season, they stem from how the refs treat him in the playoffs. And even then pointing out other player avg's doesnt mean much because its the kind of calls he got, not the volume.

Well of course they let more go in the 80s. But the kind of things they had slowly started not letting go in the late 80s the Pistons still got away with.

Johnny Most was the most biased announcer ever but he was right on the money saying half the Pistons team committed crimes on the floor. These guys went above and beyond tough play.

kblaze's post is a more eloquent way of how i can't stand fans whining about how ref's call games.

i don't post as much as i used to but those who remember me know i am a lakers' fan. i didn't get any pleasure watching wade going to foul line during the playoffs.

but i consistently said that since these are professionals, they need to adjust to how ref's call games. i really ragged on dirk in the finals because he wouldn't drive to the basket himself. he'd try a few times and then settle for outside jumpers. i really lost some respect for dirk because of that.

people can whine all they want on wade driving to the basket. if the ref's keep giving he the ft's, why should he stop? i'd expect kobe to do the same.

now i don't think kobe gets his fair share of calls when he does drive to the basket, but i admit i have a fan's bias. but at least the guy will keep going inside and not let non-calls affect how he plays his game.

[QUOTE]When the Lakers were on top "____ got screwed by the refs" was a daily issue. Kings fans, Twolf fans, blazers fans and all. Never ending *****ing over Shaq. 20 topics every playoff game where Kobe got a call or two. Nobody here at the time can deny that. **** it was like 2005 before some people stopped calling the Kings the 2002 champs here.

Few years ago the Spurs got it. Everyone mad over Bowens physicl play and from 03-05 Mavs fans and fans in general hated how Duncan got so many touch foul and 1s. [B]In the 2004 finals all Laker fans here could talk about is the Lakers getting screwed by the refs[/B].[/QUOTE]

that bolded statement shows how stupid and totally ignorant alot of Laker fans are (on this board and in real life, I live in LA, unfortunately). All the instances you bought up about complaints, such as Duncan getting touch calls, Bowen physical play, Magic getting touch calls, Pistons rough D, all of it was pretty reasonable for fans of the other teams to complain. But then you have Laker fans complaining about 04 finals? What is there to complain about, when they just got whupped? How could the refs screw Kobe into shooting 35%, Ben Wallace to be grabbing every rebound, Sheed, Ben and Prince altering every layup in the lane? How do the refs screw the Lakers when Memo Okur and Mike James are outplaying the Lakers role players? HOW? That's the stupidest complaint ever, and I'm not surprised it's from Laker fans.

That series wasn't even close. Take away the 3 minute hot stretch of Kobe i ngame 2 and it was a sweep. You don't complain about refs when the games are so lopsided and complete dominance. You complain about the refs when it's a close game and some guy gets free throw after free throw.

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Wade would have been SUCH a great soccer player. Second in league only to Nash.

Wade acted like he got shot on that play. He completely over-exaggerated that. If that happened to A.I., and lets say it was so hard his tooth got knocked out. A.I. would spit it out, and keep playing. Not roll on the ground, actling like he just got sprayed with mase.

[QUOTE=Money 23]Wade acted like he got shot on that play. He completely over-exaggerated that. If that happened to A.I., and lets say it was so hard his tooth got knocked out. A.I. would spit it out, and keep playing. Not roll on the ground, actling like he just got sprayed with mase.[/QUOTE]
What the hell, Carter's elbow barely graced Wade's face in that play, that's weak.

Two days ago Dan Gadzuric inadvertantly elbowed Diaw (who isn't known to be a tough guy either) who started bleeding immediately and his nose looked to be broken, but he came back 2 minutes after he got hit. No need to act like you got hit by a shot gun. :confusedshrug:

Thing is, I know Wade is a tough guy. He grew up on the mean streets of Chicago. That's why I loved him his rookie year. And that's why I don't understand how he has turned into such a ballerina. He cries like Nancy Kerrigan did when she got hit with a crowbar. He didn't complain his first year, and he didn't really complain his second year. Then in year 3, he turned into this pansy. The Wade we saw his rookie and sophmore year is the real player. I loved him then. He didn't get the pub Bron, and Melo got, and he just went out there and played his heart out and didn't whine and moan. He also drove just as much then, but now he gets an extrodinary amount of calls. In reality, without all the ticky tacks he gets and the blatant miss calls which put him on the line, Wade is a low 20 ppg scorer.

I think you are looking at it in from a different perspective. I believe sheed and all the other complainants are referring to the type of calls this guy gets away with and not really the average free throws he gets. I think its a matter of when the calls are called like in situations that the games are close. If you look at the average, it doesnt tell you all the story. How many attempts did wade took in games that are decided by 10 points or less? You will most likely see that the majority of his FTs are in those games where FTs actually decided the game and look how many of those were taken by wade.

[QUOTE=EricForman]that bolded statement shows how stupid and totally ignorant alot of Laker fans are (on this board and in real life, I live in LA, unfortunately). All the instances you bought up about complaints, such as Duncan getting touch calls, Bowen physical play, Magic getting touch calls, Pistons rough D, all of it was pretty reasonable for fans of the other teams to complain. But then you have Laker fans complaining about 04 finals? What is there to complain about, when they just got whupped? How could the refs screw Kobe into shooting 35%, Ben Wallace to be grabbing every rebound, Sheed, Ben and Prince altering every layup in the lane? How do the refs screw the Lakers when Memo Okur and Mike James are outplaying the Lakers role players? HOW? That's the stupidest complaint ever, and I'm not surprised it's from Laker fans.

That series wasn't even close. Take away the 3 minute hot stretch of Kobe i ngame 2 and it was a sweep. You don't complain about refs when the games are so lopsided and complete dominance. You complain about the refs when it's a close game and some guy gets free throw after free throw.[/QUOTE]

Well ain't that great. Excuse all the other fans' moaning and griping but hold the Laker fans to a different standard. Way to keep your biases from affecting you fella.

BTW Technical Lead hit the nail on the head. Its the type of calls he gets. Wade comes galavanting down court taking ten steps and then proceeds to run into a crowd with no hope of making a bucket, flop and *TWEEET*. FOul, time for FTs. Or so goes the perception.

The perception is that he gets those calls at key moments when he really needs them. The thing is though that a lot of other superstars do too. But since Wade got that total bogus call in the finals that helped Miami take the series lead, and the phantom calls in the subsequent games, people just watch for games where the whistle favors him. So everytime the kid goes off for 20 or so FTAs in a game they're like "see the refs always give him calls!" even if it only happens once in every 10 games or so. I can't hold it against wade for taking advantage of that. Infact I wish Kobe or Lamar got the same kinds of calls he does because let's face it, its all good if it favors your team.

[QUOTE=Money 23]Thing is, I know Wade is a tough guy. [B]He grew up on the mean streets of Chicago. [/B]That's why I loved him his rookie year. And that's why I don't understand how he has turned into such a ballerina. He cries like Nancy Kerrigan did when she got hit with a crowbar. He didn't complain his first year, and he didn't really complain his second year. Then in year 3, he turned into this pansy. The Wade we saw his rookie and sophmore year is the real player. I loved him then. He didn't get the pub Bron, and Melo got, and he just went out there and played his heart out and didn't whine and moan. He also drove just as much then, but now he gets an extrodinary amount of calls. In reality, without all the ticky tacks he gets and the blatant miss calls which put him on the line, Wade is a low 20 ppg scorer.[/QUOTE]

Yes, every single person inthe hood is tough:hammerhead:

this same lame ass topic again?

same bitter laker fans talking the same nonsense....... If laker fans (kobe groupies) aint complaining about the east being weak, then they are b*tchin about wade..

you dudes are pathetic

Wade gets his fair share of calls, and I doubt heat fans complain very often of him not getting calls or not being treated fairly by the referees, but it's the smart way to play. If a player realizes that he is getting calls, the smart thing to do is to continue playing in a way that will ensure that you continue to get those calls. Though his flopping is a tad excessive, he's just trying to get whatever advantage he can. Perhaps it's not the most admirable way of playing, but neither are a number of the other tactics players use to gain advantages.

People that complain about Wade are:

45% Kobe Groupies
45% Bitter Dallas Fans
10% Other

And not one Wade detractor in this thread adequately responded to blaze's points.

In other words, you're full of shyt and want to just believe what you want to believe without even bothering to defend your "points".

"Laker fans", Kobe groupies, and some idotic Mavs fans (not all are stupid, but most)...what a great combination. Even before the playoffs, Mavs fans (again, not all), were the 2nd worst group behind the groupies.

The funny thing is, Wade gets as many free throws as Kobe...except for the fact that Wade attacks the rim relentlessly, while Kobe doesn't have the heart/passion/desire/street hunger to attack the rim as much as Wade. Not to mention Kobe is clearly ranked 1, no close second, in phantom calls this century.

As far as last year's Finals, there was only one bad call that favored Wade...and that was the push on Dirk Nowitzki. That's it. If you think there are other ones, post videos...and I will completely DESTROY any questions once I get home later tonight. Some of you need to smarten up in reality, and basketball.

[QUOTE=jan803]now i don't think kobe gets his fair share of calls when he does drive to the basket, but i admit i have a fan's bias. [B]but at least the guy will keep going inside[/B] and not let non-calls affect how he plays his game.[/QUOTE]

YOU = delusional. He was strictly a perimeter player last year.

And he's also the most anti-clutch player to date. 21.4% in game winning shots, low to mid 30% shooter in the last 5 minutes of a close game.

Kobe = clutch? Now that is what we call PERCEPTION, and delusional.

I'm starting to doubt that Wade commercial of the past. the one where it says "knocked down 7 times, get back up 8". maybe that's "flop 7 times, act like i'm hurt, then get helped back up 8 times".

I don't have a problem if he drives to the lane and gets fouled. but it's the "stupid calls" he gets when he drives. most of the time he is actually NOT EVEN fouled. or he does that "reggie miller" move where he jumps into a player just to get the foul call.

[QUOTE=gsxr1kryder]I'm starting to doubt that Wade commercial of the past. the one where it says "knocked down 7 times, get back up 8". maybe that's "flop 7 times, act like i'm hurt, then get helped back up 8 times".

I don't have a problem if he drives to the lane and gets fouled. but it's the "stupid calls" he gets when he drives. most of the time he is actually NOT EVEN fouled. or he does that "reggie miller" move where he jumps into a player just to get the foul call.[/QUOTE]

Dallas fan?

[QUOTE=gsxr1kryder]I'm starting to doubt that Wade commercial of the past. the one where it says "knocked down 7 times, get back up 8". maybe that's "flop 7 times, act like i'm hurt, then get helped back up 8 times".

I don't have a problem if he drives to the lane and gets fouled. but it's the "stupid calls" he gets when he drives. most of the time he is actually NOT EVEN fouled. or he does that "reggie miller" move where he jumps into a player just to get the foul call.[/QUOTE]

this is bs.

for this to be true either of this things would have to happen:

1. the guy must miss a lot of layups, i mean if when he drives and misses thats not a foul (according to you) then he misses layups all night ?

2. defenses just let him go straight to the rim to dunk it or lay it up.

face it, he does get calls, but the only way to stop a slasher is to either foul him or block the shot, or else you are saying he isnt fouled and he just misses his dunks and layups all night ? :confusedshrug:

how sad that this is more prevalent day than this even way

Holy necroposting!