WIZ/HAWKS TRADE: Hinrich,Armstrong for Bibby,Jordan Crawford, and Evans FINALIZED

[QUOTE=marion706]people are over valuing the hawks players

bibby-sucks slow as hell
jordan crawford (jc2)-shown potential but is a chucker
mo evans-:roll: :roll:
and a late 1st rd pick -in a weak draft


not that great of a trade!![/QUOTE]

:confusedshrug:
Both teams clearly felt it was time to change things. Whether or not it's for the "better," we'll have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=Doranku]
Still don't see the point of this trade. One over-the-hill PG for another, essentially. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
You're crazy... Bibby is the worst defender at his position.

Hinrich is a great defender, who can guard PG SG and SF. Not as great of an outside shooter, but at least Joe Johnson won't be so tired chasing around point guards all game that he'll probably shoot better.

[QUOTE=alenleomessi]Good trade for both teams[/QUOTE]

That's all it is man. It makes sense for both teams. Simple as that. As a Wiz fan I love the trade because we got Hinrich and a 1st for nothing, and then turned around and turned Hinrich into another 1st and a decent prospect in Crawford.

You gotta look at where each team is at in the scheme of things.

Goddamn some people are retarded.


Anyway, word around town is that Bibby is bitter and wants a buyout. Wizards told him ok, but you have to eat a big part of what's left on your deal this year (4 mil I think?) and the entire 6 mil you're due next year. He'll be suiting up for the Wiz on Friday.

[QUOTE=fefe]Hawks should trade Marvin Williams + Zaza for Chris Kaman.

That would let them move Horford permanently to PF:

5 - Kaman/Collins/Thomas
4 - Horford/Armstrong/Powell
3 - Smith/Wilkins/Sy
2 - Johnson/Crawford
1 - Hinrich/Teague[/QUOTE]

Except Kaman has a history of injuries, and the Hawks would lose two guys, who for the most part of their careers, have been fairly healthy.

Kaman is talented, but unreliable healthwise.

Hinrich has actually played pretty well for the Wizards this year. Their best stretch of basketball this season was right after the Gil trade when Hinrich was starting at the point.

Looking at guards the Hawks have added in recent years they have played some of the best ball of their careers. Jamal, Bibby and Flip Murray all played very well next to JJ. I expect the same with Hinrich.

Good deal for both teams.

This is EXTREMELY good for both teams. Glad to see more talent in Washington than just Wall and others.

Looks like Bibby will be taking his talents down to South Beach.
He'll get tons of open looks, and he can nail those. Still one of the best shooters of open jump shots at the point guard position (although his speed limits his ability to create his own shots).

Hinrich is a solid pickup for Atlanta. They now have a player for each position that is capable of individually shutting down each of the team's other 5 positions. I would like to see them try this lineup and move Al and Josh back to their natural positions.

PG: Hinrich/Teague
SG: Johnson/Crawford
SF: Smith/Williams
PF: Horford/Powell
C: Pachulia/Armstrong

:eek:

Bibby gave up 6 million next year to get off the wizards. I suddenly feel embarrassed for that team.

[QUOTE=BallsOut]Hinrich is a solid pickup for Atlanta. They now have a player for each position that is capable of individually shutting down each of the team's other 5 positions. I would like to see them try this lineup and move Al and Josh back to their natural positions.

PG: Hinrich/Teague
SG: Johnson/Crawford
SF: Smith/Williams
PF: Horford/Powell
C: Pachulia/Armstrong

:eek:[/QUOTE]

You make yourself worse at C and negligibly better, at best, at SF and PF. Making Josh Smith into Marvin Williams is basically all you are doing. He is NOT a SF, despite how much ATL might like to get bigger up front. He can't handle or shoot worth a lick. His value is his defense at the 4 and the athleticism edge he has on 4s. He has no way to use a slight size edge as an advantage over SFs. Horford has become a very good C. They need to find a top level backup C to use as the 3rd man in their rotation. Pachulia and Armstrong SUCK. They messed up badly by not getting Gortat. They should have offered Crawford for Pietrus and Gortat or something.

[QUOTE=Nastradamus]You make yourself worse at C and negligibly better, at best, at SF and PF. Making Josh Smith into Marvin Williams is basically all you are doing. He is NOT a SF, despite how much ATL might like to get bigger up front. He can't handle or shoot worth a lick. His value is his defense at the 4 and the athleticism edge he has on 4s. He has no way to use a slight size edge as an advantage over SFs. Horford has become a very good C. They need to find a top level backup C to use as the 3rd man in their rotation. Pachulia and Armstrong SUCK. They messed up badly by not getting Gortat. They should have offered Crawford for Pietrus and Gortat or something.[/QUOTE]
I think they should trade Marvin for a center and then Josh should be a 6th man