Heat waive Carlos Arroyo and will sign Mike Bibby

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]And they can't run. [b]Guys like Noah, who can out-run Paul Pierce on the fastbreak and has done so in the playoffs[/b], will run circles around those old fogies. And I don't know why Joel Anthony is still on the HEAT. Funniest thing of all, Joel Anthony got a pretty good long term deal for himself and will be sticking around on South Beach for years...[/QUOTE]

Why the hell would the Bulls want to run with Miami ? They'll get killed as Miami is the far superior transition team. They own on the fast breaks.

how do you think the Heat got the 10 point lead in the first half of the last game ? Because they were running all over the bulls with quick transition baskets. And then the Bulls decided to slow it down to a halfcourt game.

The Knicks were smart to do that as well after Miami owned the transition game getting a big lead in the 1st quarter by the momentum from fast breaks.

Miami has the #1 ranked perimeter defense in the league with great defenders like chalmers, wade and lebron, and they gets lots of turnovers the other way for fast break points. Miami leads the league with field goal percentage against at 42.6, so the long rebounds from all the missed shots from the opponent creates more fastbreak opportunities.

whenever miami fast breaks with some good transition, it's not just about the points from the fast break, but it gives them momentum for minutes after that... the team plays better like they're in a zone.

You have to slow down the game vs Miami to have a chance. And this doesn't help Noah's advantage because Miami can put any center there and contain him down low in the half court as noah has no post-up game. Anthony is a good defender who's athletic, can shot block and can move..and that's why he's there. He can contain noah without a problem one-on-one in the low post.

arroyo FAGBAG deserved it for taking my spot on the ROSTER

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]A superior defender but Captain Kirk is very unclutch and not the greatest shooter around...and I quote whatever post I want to quote.[/QUOTE]

Your response to the quote had little relation. Did you think I was intimating Mike Bibby was good? That he'd be a positive influence on the Heat? I wasn't. Bull in a china shop.

Bibby would be a huge upgrade. But wow. Arroyo is really not that bad. He was pretty good, I don't see a "big" enough problem with him? Send his ass to NY lets get rid of Douglas hyper ass.

[QUOTE=Draz]Bibby would be a huge upgrade. But wow. Arroyo is really not that bad. He was pretty good, I don't see a "big" enough problem with him? Send his ass to NY lets get rid of Douglas hyper ass.[/QUOTE]

Arroyo sucks.

And they weren't going to cut Chalmers for Bibby because Chalmers is an excellent defender.. and you need that with some of the PG's in the east.

One of the reasons why the Heat have the #1 ranked perimeter defense in the league, and have the best FG% against is because all of Chalmers, Wade and Lebron can really defend.

plus chalmers has a much higher upside than arroyo.

with bibby AND Arroyo you didn't have a PG who could defend wortha lick. Ch

[QUOTE=Heat007]Arroyo sucks.

And they weren't going to cut Chalmers for Bibby because [B]Chalmers is an excellent defender[/B].. and you need that with some of the PG's in the east.

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That's a massive stretch.

[QUOTE=tx_dave]The spurs should pick him up for his defense
I dread Chris Quinn minutes[/QUOTE]

FAGBAG

Bibby is an upgrade for the Heat. Arroyo was a terrible defender too, but he can't shoot threes like Bibby can.

Is it even confirmed?

[QUOTE=Draz]Is it even confirmed?[/QUOTE]

Yes, they just have to wait till tmrw sometime to clear waivers.

[QUOTE=pmj]Yes, they just have to wait till tmrw sometime to clear waivers.[/QUOTE]

Ah =/. I didn't want Miami getting him, he looked interested in them to though.

[QUOTE=Alonzo Magic]That's a massive stretch.[/QUOTE]

At least he is quick enough to keep up with Rondo or Rose. At least Chalmers has quick hands and can slap the ball free. Bibby will only get abused.

[QUOTE=Heat007]Why the hell would the Bulls want to run with Miami ? They'll get killed as Miami is the far superior transition team. They own on the fast breaks.

how do you think the Heat got the 10 point lead in the first half of the last game ? Because they were running all over the bulls with quick transition baskets. And then the Bulls decided to slow it down to a halfcourt game.

The Knicks were smart to do that as well after Miami owned the transition game getting a big lead in the 1st quarter by the momentum from fast breaks.

Miami has the #1 ranked perimeter defense in the league with great defenders like chalmers, wade and lebron, and they gets lots of turnovers the other way for fast break points. Miami leads the league with field goal percentage against at 42.6, so the long rebounds from all the missed shots from the opponent creates more fastbreak opportunities.

whenever miami fast breaks with some good transition, it's not just about the points from the fast break, but it gives them momentum for minutes after that... the team plays better like they're in a zone.

You have to slow down the game vs Miami to have a chance. And this doesn't help Noah's advantage because Miami can put any center there and contain him down low in the half court as noah has no post-up game. Anthony is a good defender who's athletic, can shot block and can move..and that's why he's there. He can contain noah without a problem one-on-one in the low post.[/QUOTE]

You missed the point. The point is Chicago's elite defense, and Noah's elite defense, will create fastbreak opportunities for the Chicago Bulls. Noah will destroy whatever old geezer (Big Z or Eric Dampier) tries to run with him on the break [I]when the Bulls have the Ball.[/I]

Nobody is afraid of the Heat. Certainly not the Chicago Bulls who have a better team, faaar better PG, faaar better bench, faaar better bigs, and a faaar better Coach. Chicago owns the HEAT this season.

Miami sucks in the halfcourt game. That's what the playoffs are.

[QUOTE=Alonzo Magic]Don't get it twisted dude, Bibby is a much better shooter than Arroyo. All of Arroyo's shots this season have been enough time to watch the 5th set of a Wimbledon final type wide open. LeBatard said Bibby was shooting like high 60's on open baskets yesterday.[/QUOTE]
:roll: I like the analogy. While true, I still think Arroyo's a bit better of a fit, although Bibby's a better player. Either way I think it's a lateral move, I may be wrong, but I dou....we'll see!:lol

Do you think he'll get major minutes or just like 10 minutes or so?

I did read somewhere that Lebron talked Bibby into it, if this deal is confirmed its great news. Bibby is a great traditional pointguard who has a tough mentality, great basketball IQ, is a great passer and shooter, so he will flourish alongside Lebron & Wade even if he wont be able to handle the ball all the time because he certainly will get alot of open shots he will be able to convert and i remember him being clutch aswell.

Carlos Arroyo

5.6 ppg
2.0 apg
1.9 rpg
PER 9.54

And dude was born the same day as me...wow....

I think he be cool as a 3rd option for PG...come to LA kid!!!

[QUOTE=crisoner]Carlos Arroyo

5.6 ppg
2.0 apg
1.9 rpg
PER 9.54

And dude was born the same day as me...wow....

I think he be cool as a 3rd option for PG...come to LA kid!!![/QUOTE]


Daaang, you're old!!

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Daaang, you're old!![/QUOTE]

Fine like wine young one. :rockon:

[QUOTE=crisoner]Fine like wine young one. :rockon:[/QUOTE]
:cheers:

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]

You missed the point. The point is Chicago's elite defense, and Noah's elite defense, will create fastbreak opportunities for the Chicago Bulls. Noah will destroy whatever old geezer (Big Z or Eric Dampier) tries to run with him on the break [I]when the Bulls have the Ball.[/I]

Nobody is afraid of the Heat. Certainly not the Chicago Bulls who have a better team, faaar better PG, faaar better bench, faaar better bigs, and a faaar better Coach. Chicago owns the HEAT this season.

Miami sucks in the halfcourt game. That's what the playoffs are.[/QUOTE]

Miami's defense is ranked #1 in field goal percentage against at 42.6 ;)

Your wings totally suck defensively to try to guard Lebron/Wade and Miami has the people to guard Rose.

and chicago's bench only averages 5 pts a game more than Miami and that was without a healthy miller and haslem for most of the season.

You have better bigs but you don't have a good post up center and that's what gives miami problems.. they can do fine against a PF who can post up. especially when haslem gets back.

And of course, the Heat have much better outside shooting than the Bulls do. The bulls don't have the consistent outside shooting to beat the heat.

Forget about the laid back regular season, Wade and Lebron are going to relentlessly attack and attack the paint in the playoffs and get your bigs in foul trouble. Lebron and Wade are the best wing combo ever besides MJ and Pippen and you're going to guard them with crap players like Korvor/Deng/Brewer/Bogans?? the worst wing rotation of the playoff teams against the best wing combo ever besides jordan/pippen ? really?

Wade and Lebron always owned the bulls with big games. Your wing rotation sucks !

Korvor/Deng/Brewer/bogans is your answer to the best ever wing combo BOTH OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY besides jordan/pippen ?

That's all you got ?

Heat in 5 or 6

[QUOTE=Heat007]Miami's defense is ranked #1 in field goal percentage against at 42.6 ;)

Your wings totally suck defensively to try to guard Lebron/Wade and Miami has the people to guard Rose.

and chicago's bench only averages 5 pts a game more than Miami and that was without a healthy miller and haslem for most of the season.

You have better bigs but you don't have a good post up center and that's what gives miami problems.. they can do fine against a PF who can post up. especially when haslem gets back.

And of course, the Heat have much better outside shooting than the Bulls do. The bulls don't have the consistent outside shooting to beat the heat.

Forget about the laid back regular season,[B] Wade and Lebron are going to relentlessly attack and attack the paint in the playoffs and get your bigs in foul trouble.[/B] Lebron and Wade are the best wing combo ever besides MJ and Pippen and you're going to guard them with crap defensive players like Korvor/Deng/Brewer/Bogans?? the worst wings in the playoffs ? really?

Wade and Lebron always owned the bulls with big games. Your wings suck !

Korvor/Deng/Brewer/bogans is your answer to the best wing combo BOTH OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY since jordan/pippen ?

That's all you got ?

Heat in 6[/QUOTE]

1) I don't get it... Rose can't do the same???

2) Noah is a great defensive big.

3) If it was as easy as just "relentlessly attack and get to the line" LeBron would have 3 rings.

Two problems with the heat as a collective.

1) Their half-court offense. Because come playoff time everything slows down and it's about how you executed in the half-court. This is why the Lakers manage to get the finals again and again, and why the Boston Celtics got there last year.

2) Crunch time. Again something that becomes that much bigger playoff time. Games get closer, and not only is it about stops, but also being able to score in the other end. 5 mins to go, game on the line, Heat are the worst of the elite teams in trying to score. Becuase LeBron becomes the dominant ball handler, Wade becomes a spot-up shooter, and Bosh is just... Bosh. So now instead of the big 2.5, you have the big 2. And that is why the Heat lost the other night against the Knicks.

[QUOTE=Alonzo Magic]Don't get it twisted dude, Bibby is a much better shooter than Arroyo. All of Arroyo's shots this season have been enough time to watch the 5th set of a Wimbledon final type wide open. LeBatard said Bibby was shooting like high 60's on open baskets yesterday.[/QUOTE]

:lol An NBA player shooting high 60s on open baskets in practice? That's pretty awful for a shooter.

[QUOTE=Rose]:roll: I like the analogy. While true, I still think Arroyo's a bit better of a fit, although Bibby's a better player. Either way I think it's a lateral move, I may be wrong, but I dou....we'll see!:lol

Do you think he'll get major minutes or just like 10 minutes or so?[/QUOTE]

Like I said in the other thread yesterday, we'll have to see if Bibby's offense can supersede his defensive liability.

I'm expecting a solid 25-30 minutes within a few weeks. Like he was logging in Atlanta.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]:lol An NBA player shooting high 60s on open baskets in practice? That's pretty awful for a shooter.[/QUOTE]

in Game, not practice.

[QUOTE=kidachi]Heat don't need a PG.. they have Wade and LeBron..

they need a fu[I]c[/I]king big man..

they can't keep matching up with LA and Boston with that.. they look like midgets..[/QUOTE]


WADE AND BRON are turnover prone.. Bibby usually has a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio.. His shooting and total offensive game is better than any other pg they have.. His defense is horrible and they will have to find a way to hide him.. Going to be hard since they don't have a true big to clog the lane... Either way he is better than Chalmers at pg.. Chalmers is good defensively and still gets beat by the good pg's..

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]:lol An NBA player shooting high 60s on open baskets in practice? That's pretty awful for a shooter.[/QUOTE]


If he can shoot 40 percent from three than he is already much better than any other pg they have.. Plus he can set up their offense.. Only Arroyo could do that.. Chalmers is also too turnover prone for a pg...

[QUOTE=Nelson14]Damn arroyo was my one of my favorite heat[/QUOTE]
+1
:(

It seems to me that Bibby's "clutchness" is going to amount to a hill of beans, as a team of guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh, etc will be looking to take the big time shots.

Plus, he won't be handling the ball much, and offers nothing defensively.

What is the point of this move?

[QUOTE=Alonzo Magic]in Game, not practice.[/QUOTE]

Oh I misunderstood your use of the word yesterday. I thought you meant Lebatard watched him in practice yesterday, not said what he said yesterday.

My bad.

i really do not know what Arroyo is good at.

getting Bibby is a HUGE upgrade.

[QUOTE=mlh1981]It seems to me that Bibby's "clutchness" is going to amount to a hill of beans, as a team of guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh, etc will be looking to take the big time shots.

Plus, he won't be handling the ball much, and offers nothing defensively.

What is the point of this move?[/QUOTE]

having a PG that shoots 44% from threes could stretch the floor for those 3 guys.... dont u think?

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]WADE AND BRON are turnover prone.. Bibby usually has a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio.. His shooting and total offensive game is better than any other pg they have.. His defense is horrible and they will have to find a way to hide him.. Going to be hard since they don't have a true big to clog the lane... Either way he is better than Chalmers at pg.. Chalmers is good defensively and still gets beat by the good pg's..[/QUOTE]

Compared to Bibby then yes Wade is more turnover prone in the assist/turnover ratio department. But not Lebron, especially when he actually starts PG where he averaged for example 12.1 APG and 3.1 TOs per game last year 11 games for the Cavs and had ~9 apg on ~3 turnovers per game for the year, which is better assist to turnover ratio and not to mention more productive aswell compared to any prime Bibby year, James did that with ~30 ppg aswell, so you know he could have easily averaged much more than ~9 apg if he wanted to.

They still do need Bibby even though they can more than live without him, but a true center should have and should still be Miamis #1 priority.

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]WADE AND BRON are turnover prone.. Bibby usually has a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio.. His shooting and total offensive game is better than any other pg they have.. His defense is horrible and they will have to find a way to hide him.. Going to be hard since they don't have a true big to clog the lane... Either way he is better than Chalmers at pg.. Chalmers is good defensively and still gets beat by the good pg's..[/QUOTE]

He'll never get the opportunity to turn the ball over since LeBron and Wade are the primary ball handlers. Welcome to life as a spot up shooter, Mike Bibby. (Which he'll probably excel at... damnit)

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Oh I misunderstood your use of the word yesterday. I thought you meant Lebatard watched him in practice yesterday, not said what he said yesterday.

My bad.[/QUOTE]

I'd have made the same mistake. Poor sentence formation by me.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]He'll never get the opportunity to turn the ball over since LeBron and Wade are the primary ball handlers. Welcome to life as a spot up shooter, Mike Bibby. (Which he'll probably excel at... damnit)[/QUOTE]

You know Jamal and Joe love handling the rock right?

[QUOTE=sh0wtime]Compared to Bibby then yes Wade is more turnover prone in the assist/turnover ratio department. But not Lebron, especially when he actually starts PG where he averaged for example 12.1 APG and 3.1 TOs per game last year 11 games for the Cavs and had ~9 apg on ~3 turnovers per game for the year, which is better assist to turnover ratio and not to mention more productive aswell compared to any prime Bibby year, James did that with ~30 ppg aswell, so you know he could have easily averaged much more than ~9 apg if he wanted to.

They still do need Bibby even though they can more than live without him, but a true center should have and should still be Miamis #1 priority.[/QUOTE]

actually no, you're wrong. as a whole since coming back from injury in the 08-09 season lebron has been far more turnover prone than wade. stop making up bs and protecting your boy even when you dont have anything to back it up.

lebron is more turnover prone than wade. fact.

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]having a PG that shoots 44% from threes could stretch the floor for those 3 guys.... dont u think?[/QUOTE]

It could help. Additionally, they lose a lot of close games, so maybe whatever he contributes could put them over the edge, but in this offense, he will barely be handling the ball.

Maybe he can be like what (regular season) Mo Williams was for Cleveland during their heyday.

He's shooting 44.1% from the the 3 points territory.

[QUOTE=mlh1981]It seems to me that Bibby's "clutchness" is going to amount to a hill of beans, as a team of guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh, etc will be looking to take the big time shots.

Plus, he won't be handling the ball much, and offers nothing defensively.

What is the point of this move?[/QUOTE]

To let Heat fans think they finally added that one addition they needed.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]He's shooting 44.1% from the the 3 points territory.[/QUOTE]

hes only going to be more wide open here. though i really dont think hes that much better if it all compared to arroyo and chalmers. if hes not better, hopefully hes a better fit.

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]I'd love to take Bibby just to piss Miami off. But we did that already with Murphy so I can live with Bibby going there, [B]especially as Rondo would destroy him.[/B][/QUOTE]

Lol, remember that other time all of the Celtic fans said that Rondo was going to destroy the opponent PG who was terrible at defense and slow as hell?

[IMG]http://www.latimes.com/includes/soundslides/la-sp-2010lakers/lakers25.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Peteballa]Lol, remember that other time all of the Celtic fans said that Rondo was going to destroy the opponent PG who was terrible at defense and slow as hell?[/QUOTE]

Fisher guarded Ray... Nice try.