Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?

What a dumb thread. Lebron is better, but of course they wouldn't trade him.

For one, Rose is WAAYY cheaper. A straight up LBJ for Rose maybe, but that wouldn't work under the cap, so you'd have to include more (good) members of your team for more (bad) members of the Heat, to make it work money-wise.

Two, Rose is way younger. You have a younger, cheaper, player who's about to win MVP, and the Bulls are the #1 seed. Yes the organization wants to win, but pro sports are a business. If you are already providing your fan with a winning team that has a chance to win it all, and you're selling out every game, go with the younger player. You make money longer most likely. On top of that, he's a hometown player, why risk pissing off your fanbase (aka your $$$).

Three, Rose is arguably getting himself into the top 5 convo after this year. The talent difference is there, but not large enough to risk screwing up something that is already working. Chicago lucked out getting the #1 pick a few years ago, due to no GM skills of their own, be happy that luck is working out, dont pull a Danny Ainge and screw it up.

I think it's more a case of Lebron being a proven choker more than anything else.

rose with a team >>>>>>>>>lebron with a team
lebron >>>>rose - one on one

Not a chance. Rose is way too loved by the fans, teammates, and coaches. Trading away Rose would be the Celtics trading away Perkins x 1000 as far as the reaction to it goes.

Not to mention the following:

He's younger.

He doesn't care about anything but basketball and winning, unlike Lebron who does care too much about his stats and too much off the court stuff like his "brand".

If the Bulls want him, he'll be there for the rest of his career, which could be 10-15 years. If the Bulls don't win enough in the 4-5 years, good chance Lebron leaves. If he didn't have a problem leaving Cleveland after winning 60 games for back to back seasons, he'd have less of a problem leaving a team that wasn't his hometown and was traded to.

Its not like trading Rose for Lebron makes this team so much better, if better at all. You don't get much better then a title contender winning 60 games and the no. 1 seed with a bunch of injuries to some of your best players. Lebron won't make this team that much, if better at all, to make up for all those reasons I've mentioned above.

[QUOTE=24r2]well lebron to me is the best basketball player in the world [B]today [/B]but come on man stop saying the guy's a winner,[/QUOTE]

so MJ wasn't a winner for his first 6 years?

Shaq for his first 8?

Hakeem for his first 10?

stay consistent and you look like a fool.

I love how Hakeem would be considered a loser on this board for his first ten years.

How about stockton and malone? career losers?

LOL

Man, I really can't wait for the playoffs. It's going to reveal so much. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=jasonresno]Why would we? Bulls > Heat. Rose is our superstar. Home town hero. Rookie of the Year, 2x All Star, and about to be the league MVP in his 3rd season.

Nope. Management wouldn't either.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Lebron is incredible for sure, but so is derrick Rose. People talk about the potential of LBJ and how much he may still improve, but it is more than fair to be saying the exact same thing about derrick right now.

Derrick Rose may be the best player in the league in one or two years, why would the Bulls management give up on such a young player? Derrick is the hometown hero and his performance on the court fully warrants giving him the benefit of the doubt over Lebron.

[QUOTE=guy]Not a chance. Rose is way too loved by the fans, teammates, and coaches. Trading away Rose would be the Celtics trading away Perkins x 1000 as far as the reaction to it goes.

Not to mention the following:

He's younger.

He doesn't care about anything but basketball and winning, unlike Lebron who does care too much about his stats and too much off the court stuff like his "brand".

If the Bulls want him, he'll be there for the rest of his career, which could be 10-15 years. If the Bulls don't win enough in the 4-5 years, good chance Lebron leaves. If he didn't have a problem leaving Cleveland after winning 60 games for back to back seasons, he'd have less of a problem leaving a team that wasn't his hometown and was traded to.

Its not like trading Rose for Lebron makes this team so much better, if better at all. You don't get much better then a title contender winning 60 games and the no. 1 seed with a bunch of injuries to some of your best players. Lebron won't make this team that much, if better at all, to make up for all those reasons I've mentioned above.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, every team would love to have Rose at this point, bulls are very lucky

LeBron might be the better individual player, but people probably like Rose better.
The thing with LeBron is all mental, he doesn't have mental toughness to actually come through in the stretch. That's why having someone else like Dwyane Wade to lead him is huge.

I don't think Bulls Fans or most people would do this trade, just because of the hatred of LeBron. But if it's a straight up trade, GMs might just do it.

[QUOTE=KelticForce1349]Exactly. Lebron is incredible for sure, but so is derrick Rose. People talk about the potential of LBJ and how much he may still improve, but it is more than fair to be saying the exact same thing about derrick right now.

Derrick Rose may be the best player in the league in one or two years, why would the Bulls management give up on such a young player? Derrick is the hometown hero and his performance on the court fully warrants giving him the benefit of the doubt over Lebron.[/QUOTE]

And Rose avging more blocks than LeBron this season being 6 inches shorter

People bringing up LeBron doing more with less in Cleveland like The Bulls haven't pwned him as a Heat.

Brilliant.

[QUOTE=kidachi]to me that PER is bullsh[I]i[/I]t.

if they're both unknowns and we all know don't know their personality whatsoever except how they play... it's a general consensus.. LeBron will be picked first..

Slashing, athleticism, scoring ability, passing, defense, aggressiveness.. all that.. they have that..

BUT..

Bron is bigger.. thus making you create more mismatches.. He's bigger and stronger than SFs and he's faster than PFs..

We dislike LeBron (yes, it includes me, a heat fan) because of the personality.. the conceitedness, cockiness, the stereotype a-hole..
But it's outside of basketball..[/QUOTE]

But he quits and chokes when games matter most. James is all of that, but at the end of the day I rather retain the lesser player overall for the mere fact that he is better when it matters. It's not about being the best in regular season it's about being the best when it matters. This is one of the main reasons people will never give leBron the nod over bryant. James is great when there's nothing at stake

[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]People bringing up LeBron doing more with less in Cleveland like The Bulls haven't pwned him as a Heat.

Brilliant.[/QUOTE]

now he's doing less with more....

Great thread PB. Its funny how ppl are saying Lebron has been to the finals and rose ain't been to the second round. Lebron had the easiest path to the finals EVER. Play the Wizards in the first round WITHOUT Arenas anf Butler. Play the shitty Nets counting on VC. Play the over the hill pistons without Ben Wallace. The Pistons was only a 53 win team which is s Average team in the western conference. Not to mention he didn't play great that series. Then he was EXPOSED vs the Spurs. While Drose has played 2 60 win teams in the first round and played better vs them than Lebron has vs good teams.

Playoff Rose> Playoff Lebron

Well.

Seen this all before. I like Rose, but his fans will ultimately make me not like him as much as I do now. The over-rating is already out of control.

Rose is nowhere near the player Lebron is yet.....same with Wade.

This is going to be Kobe all over again.
:facepalm

the bulls with lebron would be much better. lebron would suit chicago perfectly, two guys who can get their own shot from time to time in boozer and deng, and noah, and boozer can finish well around the rim off of LBJ pick and rolls, and deng, korver can space the floor, obviously the bulls would need a replacement pg tho

[QUOTE=kaiiu]Great thread PB. Its funny how ppl are saying Lebron has been to the finals and rose ain't been to the second round. Lebron had the easiest path to the finals EVER. Play the Wizards in the first round WITHOUT Arenas anf Butler. Play the shitty Nets counting on VC. Play the over the hill pistons without Ben Wallace. The Pistons was only a 53 win team which is s Average team in the western conference. Not to mention he didn't play great that series. Then he was EXPOSED vs the Spurs. While Drose has played 2 60 win teams in the first round and played better vs them than Lebron has vs good teams.

Playoff Rose> Playoff Lebron[/QUOTE]

LeBron had the biggest choke performance of all time during last years playoffs

[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]Unless you care about PER or having as many players as possible who speak in third-person, I'm not understanding why you would trade Rose for James.

James has been exposed this year, homie.

Fact.

Now its to the point you have to factor age + potential, and that's if you need to go that far to validate not making a deal that shouldn't be done from the get go.[/QUOTE]
lol nice. It's like this guy's thoughts have done a complete 180. I could never imagine him posting something about this about Lebron last year.

[QUOTE=chips93]the bulls with lebron would be much better. lebron would suit chicago perfectly, [B]two guys who can get their own shot from time to time in boozer and deng[/B], and noah, and boozer can finish well around the rim off of LBJ pick and rolls, and deng, korver can space the floor, obviously the bulls would need a replacement pg tho[/QUOTE]

This right here tells me you don't watch Bulls basketball.

Deng has NEVER been good at getting his own shot off, as well as Boozer.

Counting on them to produce their OWN offense is not a logical expectation.

LeBron is better than Rose at literally every facet of the game except free throw shooting. Taking away the decision, of course they do and don't even think about it.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]LeBron is better than Rose at literally every facet of the game except free throw shooting. Taking away the decision, of course they do and don't even think about it.[/QUOTE]


Lebron is a better leader? A better teammate? A better ball handler? Has a better mid range game (floaters/jumpers)?

He's more loyal to his organization? Carries less baggage? Wants to win more? Plays harder?


I don't think so chump--keep hating.

Rose and Deng > Lebron and CJ Watson

Lebron is far better, but I wouldn't say yes.

But the gm's would give in.

People like lebron come around every 10-15 years. people like rose come around every 2-3 years.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Lebron is a better leader? A better teammate? A better ball handler? Has a better mid range game (floaters/jumpers)?

He's more loyal to his organization? Carries less baggage? Wants to win more? Plays harder?


I don't think so chump--keep hating.[/QUOTE]

how am i hating? because i believe lebron is a better player/would have a greater impact on chicago? im sorry but derrick rose is not the best player in the nba, if that makes me a hater then just lol

[QUOTE=az00m]Lebron is far better, but I wouldn't say yes.

But the gm's would give in.[/QUOTE]


Pax wants nothing to do with Lebron's whiny, entourage having, talcum powder throwing, headband wearing, corny dancing ass.

:oldlol:

We are one or two players away from being a [B]BEAST[/B] team......Lebron's talents aren't needed in Chicago.

People should just calm down and let Rose pave his own path. Last year I thought Durant was insanely overrated since I was hearing about how he was going to be the best player in the NBA this year, the front-runner for MVP etc. Now, Rose is having an amazing season, and is surely the MVP, but that doesn't make him the best player in the NBA, the best player to build around, untradeable, etc.

People getting overly excited about one amazing season, before that season has come to an end, are just dramatically raising the expectations people, themselves included, will have for him. If he doesn't live up to these continually raising expectations, its going to raise the likelihood that people will hate on him, call him overrated, and undervalue him as a player because they will be comparing him to absurd expectations. It shouldn't upset anyone if it has been brought up that Rose has never been out of the first round, because he hasn't. Fortunately he can change that this year, but he doesn't have to do it all in one year, because if or when he doesn't, a lot of people are going to be pretty disappointed.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]Rose is way better than Durant at literally every facet of the game except free throw shooting.[/QUOTE]

FIXED. You're Welcome.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]LeBron is better than Rose at literally every facet of the game except free throw shooting. Taking away the decision, of course they do and don't even think about it.[/QUOTE]

I'd argue that Rose is now a better outside shooter. More likeable and marketable in Chicago esp given that he's the "hometown kid." Not to mention younger.

I'll give you that James is overall a better player. Even the most hardcore Bulls fans will admit that but No way in hell we'd support a trade of Rose for LeBron. Not to mention the off court personality and ego issues... Bulls management wouldn't do it and Bulls fans damn sure wouldn't support it. This is so f*ckin stupid even talkin about :facepalm

[QUOTE=DRose.IS.da.MAN]FIXED. You're Welcome.[/QUOTE]

a lot of butthurt in this post :roll:

can't even stay on topic

im also loving the fact that durant is a better scorer, shooter, rebounder, shot blocker, and arguably a better defender.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]This right here tells me you don't watch Bulls basketball.

Deng has NEVER been good at getting his own shot off, as well as Boozer.

Counting on them to produce their OWN offense is not a logical expectation.[/QUOTE]


deng and boozer are absolutely vialbe options on offense. i dont mean that either will ever win you a game single handedly, i mean that you can run a play for them and get a decent possession out of it. deng can get a good look curling off of a down screen, and boozer on the low block or rolling to the low basket is a very viable offensive possession.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Lebron is a better leader? A better teammate? A better ball handler? Has a better mid range game (floaters/jumpers)?

He's more loyal to his organization? Carries less baggage? Wants to win more? Plays harder?


I don't think so chump--keep hating.[/QUOTE]

So if you don't think Derrick Rose is better than Lebron, you are hating? Got it.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]how am i hating? because i believe lebron is a better player/would have a greater impact on chicago? im sorry but derrick rose is not the best player in the nba, if that makes me a hater then just lol[/QUOTE]


He doesn't have to be the best player, just the best FIT.

-Rose is a hometown kid, sells more jerseys.
-Rose is cheaper and we can count on him being more honest than Lebron concerning his contract wants/needs
-Rose is a better teammate, he never complains about his help like Lebron did
-The Bulls beat the Heat three times this year and Rose was the standout player in the last game
-Rose has not yet reached his potential....Bron is great, but topping off
-Lebron has a questionable heart while Rose has proven to be lion-hearted up until now.
-Rose has led us to the #1 seed this year[I]....."if it ain't broke don't fix it just relax and let it float; don't rock the boat baby!"[/I]

[QUOTE=chips93]deng and boozer are absolutely vialbe options on offense. i dont mean that either will ever win you a game single handedly, i mean that you can run a play for them and get a decent possession out of it. deng can get a good look curling off of a down screen, and boozer on the low block or rolling to the low basket is a very viable offensive possession.[/QUOTE]


You said "create their own shot" not "have plays run for."

[QUOTE=az00m]Lebron is far better, but I wouldn't say yes.

But the gm's would give in.

People like lebron come around every 10-15 years. people like rose come around every 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]

You have mixed around. Players with LeBrons weak mentality and choking skills come around every 2-3 years.

Players like Rose with killer mentality, hard work ethic, dedication to the game come every 10-15 years. Before Rose was Kobe and before Kobe was Jordan.

With that said, no way bulls would trade Rose for leBron

[QUOTE=yeaaaman]So if you don't think Derrick Rose is better than Lebron, you are hating? Got it.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that Lebron is not better than Rose in every facet of the game...followmenowsee.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]a lot of butthurt in this post :roll:

can't even stay on topic

im also loving the fact that durant is a better scorer, shooter, rebounder, shot blocker, and arguably[B] a better defender[/B].[/QUOTE]

Is that a joke? haha Rose is the best point gaurd defensively in the league and wayyyyyyy better than durant that its not even close. Durant cant play defense to save his life

[QUOTE=Go Getter]I'm saying that Lebron is not better than Rose in every facet of the game...followmenowsee.[/QUOTE]

What is Rose better at? LeBron led a team of scrubs to 61 and 66 wins and has been to the Finals. Rose has never won a playoff series and might not reach 61 wins with one of if not the best supporting cast in the NBA

[QUOTE=Go Getter]You said "create their own shot" not "have plays run for."[/QUOTE]


:rolleyes: , the focal point of an offensive possession. if a guy can get a shot off of an iso with no help, its just as useful as a guy who can get a good shot off, off of a screen.

[QUOTE=YouCallILose]What is Rose better at? LeBron led a team of scrubs to 61 and 66 wins and has been to the Finals. Rose has never won a playoff series and might not reach 61 wins with one of if not the best supporting cast in the NBA[/QUOTE]

Too bad your boy durant disappears in the playoffs :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=yeaaaman]

People getting overly excited about one amazing season.[/QUOTE]


Actually Rose had a pretty good rookie season and followed that up with a stellar sophomore effort.

He's on his way to a HOF career (there's A LOT OF WORK to do before considering that but it IS a realistic outcome if he continues to get better and work hard).

Chicago is a big basketball town and we traded away three very promising guards and two great backups because of Derrick Rose.

He, along with Noah and Deng, has turned the franchise around and Bull's fans are happy about that.

Haters gonna hate but I don't care

:party:

I hope we at least take another step towards the conference finals...making it to the ECF would be a step forward in my book and anything else would be kind of disappointing.