[QUOTE=Assassin]That wouldn't ever happen to Rose.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Thibs bench Rose and some other starters earlier this year in a game late?
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[QUOTE=Assassin]That wouldn't ever happen to Rose.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Thibs bench Rose and some other starters earlier this year in a game late?
Harden should start, since Thabo doesnt really need to defend anyone from the Mavs guards
[QUOTE=KDthunderup]Westbrook really wasn't playing that bad, 7-15 is pretty good. Brooks kept him out because the bench were on a roll, he didnt need to upset that.[/QUOTE]
You really believe that after watching the exchange between Brooks and Westbrook when he took him out?
I got some beachside for sale in Arizona if your interested.
You don't sit your star point guard in the 4th quarter of the conference Finals unless you're trying to make a point.
[QUOTE=derman]This move won OKC the game.[/QUOTE]
No, it didn't. What won them the game was moving Collison to PF so he can guard Nowitzki and putting Ibaka back in his more natural role on the weak side. Compare when those two are on the floor to when Perk re-enters the game. It's a night and day difference.
this helped them win, but i won't say it was the deciding factor. brooks stuck with maynor because he was having a good game. westbrook could have gone in the last minute or so but i don't see the point. the bench had it going. westbrook has proven that he either forces shots or passes down the stretch in these playoffs. he's just too inconsistent. when he's good, he's really good. when he's bad, he's just really bad. he needs to gain patience and let plays develop.
looking at the other side, durant almost goes out of his way to defend westbrook. i thought his post-game presser was well said. he's a good teammate.
at the end of the day, this was a coaching decision and i think it was the right one for the most part. westbrook needs to take this in stride. i'm actually sort of surprised/satisfied that brooks made that decision. it had to be made because westbrook has to be reeled in at times. as a fan of the game, i hope he grows from this.
It was because Maynor was having a good game, still I liked the fact that Brooks showed Westbrook that he would keep him on bench if his backup is playing a better and smarter game than him.
The fact that this is a topic of conversation in the media shows just how much Westbrook and his shot-jacking have gained precedence over the team concept.
He is not the first 'star' to be benched down the stretch, nor will he be the last.
If I was in the Thunder management, I would let him walk. His poor decision-making and ego will dog him throughout his career.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]The fact that this is a topic of conversation in the media shows just how much Westbrook and his shot-jacking have gained precedence over the team concept.
He is not the first 'star' to be benched down the stretch, nor will he be the last.
If I was in the Thunder management, I would let him walk. His poor decision-making and ego will dog him throughout his career.[/QUOTE]
yeah, because it is so easy for Oklahoma City to acquire top shelf talent....
people really exxagerrate this type of stuff. It is no big deal.
People really underrate Westbrook. Try to blame him when the Thunder lose and then attribute all his success to Kevin Durant. Contrary to popular belief, Westbrook is an all star on any team. If Thunder don't want Westbrook, the Lakers would more than love to take him off their hands.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]The fact that this is a topic of conversation in the media shows just how much Westbrook and his shot-jacking have gained precedence over the team concept.
He is not the first 'star' to be benched down the stretch, nor will he be the last.
If I was in the Thunder management, I would let him walk. His poor decision-making and ego will dog him throughout his career.[/QUOTE]
The guy is really young!! I'm hoping over the next few years he will be content to let the coaching staff dictate what his role is. I guess only time will tell.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]yeah, because it is so easy for Oklahoma City to acquire top shelf talent....
people really exxagerrate this type of stuff. It is no big deal.[/QUOTE]
Westbrook is almost always blamed for OKC's losses. His poor decision making, out of control drives, hero ball, and lack of passing all contribute and for some reason, including us, all see it and say WTF?
The fact OKC was down almost the entire game, or atleast seemed to be fighting an uphill battle-- then all the sudden Westbrook sits the entire 4th quarter, then astonishingly they pull the W.
That says A TON when you're considered the face of your team, with Durant slightly above him. His backup played the entire 4th quarter, and in my opinion won because of it.
Westbrook already has this bad reputation with ego, and he is not helping his case. You're a PG and the coach benches you while screaming "PASS THE BALL!".
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Kaspah]Westbrook is almost always blamed for OKC's losses. His poor decision making, out of control drives, hero ball, and lack of passing all contribute and for some reason, including us, all see it and say WTF?
The fact OKC was down almost the entire game, or atleast seemed to be fighting an uphill battle-- then all the sudden Westbrook sits the entire 4th quarter, then astonishingly they pull the W.
That says A TON when you're considered the face of your team, with Durant slightly above him. His backup played the entire 4th quarter, and in my opinion won because of it.
Westbrook already has this bad reputation with ego, and he is not helping his case. You're a PG and the coach benches you while screaming "PASS THE BALL!".
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You can roll your eyes all you want. Without all those out of control drives that only he can do on that team the Thunder wouldnt be the team they are. Those drives are what put the pressure on the opposing teams bigs, NOT DURANT'S JUMPERS OFF SCREENS. Even when Westbrook misses(which he will improve on) he draws 2 or 3 defenders at the rim leading to easy offensive rebounds. The guy is a phenomenal talent who is learning the pg position. Oklahoma fans are just ungrateful. Without this guy the team turns into a pure jumpshooting team. He provides a necessary dimension if they EVER hope to win anything.
Maybe people should have been this critical of Kevin Durant when Ron Artest shut him down last year. Trust me, im no KD hater(he is one of my fav players) but the treatment of Westbrook just reeks of not understanding his impact on the game.
Maynor was playing well, and Brooks wanted to ride the hot hand, especially since Westbrook, despite shooting well, made a lot of questionable decisions. It almost came back to bite them, but it worked. Big deal. It's not like Maynor's suddenly going to take over Westbrook's spot. Moving on...
he'll become a great pg. he's only friggin 22. i see so much potential in him he just needs to mature. same goes for rose, he may be the mvp but he's still far from being a true elite guard. they're still young. chill out.
[QUOTE=Kaspah]Westbrook is almost always blamed for OKC's losses. His poor decision making, out of control drives, hero ball, and lack of passing all contribute and for some reason, including us, all see it and say WTF?
The fact OKC was down almost the entire game, or atleast seemed to be fighting an uphill battle-- then all the sudden Westbrook sits the entire 4th quarter, then astonishingly they pull the W.
That says A TON when you're considered the face of your team, with Durant slightly above him. His backup played the entire 4th quarter, and in my opinion won because of it.
Westbrook already has this bad reputation with ego, and he is not helping his case. You're a PG and the coach benches you while screaming "PASS THE BALL!".
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You must not have watched the game. We had a lead as early as the first half and played close with neither team blowing the other out the water until late in the 3rd when the bench + KD scored 10 straight possessions.
7-15 is NOT even a bad game. Derrick Rose was 7 for 23 and his team lost and everyone just blames his bad shooting games on his teammates every time.
There's 3PGs I'd take over Russ in a trade (Rose, DWill, CP3). If it's anything else, we're getting worse. If he has to be involved to facilitate a Dwight Howard deal, ok but that's all.
The ESPN guys were trying themselves to friggin trade him out of there last night.
We wouldn't have made it this far, postseason or regular season, without Westbrook so to just overanalyze every turnover and missed shot and hold it eternally against him is just unfair.
Newsflash: Westbrook wasn't benched because of his play or Maynor's play. He was benched because he snapped at Brooks when he came back to the bench after a TO that was his fault. I mean really. He was having a good game. 2 of his 4 TO's were Perkin's fault anyways. Dude can't catch but still credited to Russ.
[QUOTE=50inchvertical]You must not have watched the game. We had a lead as early as the first half and played close with neither team blowing the other out the water until late in the 3rd when the bench + KD scored 10 straight possessions.
7-15 is NOT even a bad game. Derrick Rose was 7 for 23 and his team lost and everyone just blames his bad shooting games on his teammates every time.
There's 3PGs I'd take over Russ in a trade (Rose, DWill, CP3). If it's anything else, we're getting worse. If he has to be involved to facilitate a Dwight Howard deal, ok but that's all.
The ESPN guys were trying themselves to friggin trade him out of there last night.
We wouldn't have made it this far, postseason or regular season, without Westbrook so to just overanalyze every turnover and missed shot and hold it eternally against him is just unfair.[/QUOTE]
What do you know from fair?
Every Bulls fan I know on Facebook said Rose had a bad game.....no one blames the other Bulls for that.
Westbrook is making a bad name for himself this year playing selfishly and stupidly and you just can't take it.
*And Rose is shooting 47% for his career, same as Dirk Nowitski.....don't line up his stats with Westbrooks without acknowledging that please.
[QUOTE=Kaspah]Westbrook is almost always blamed for OKC's losses. His poor decision making, out of control drives, hero ball, and lack of passing all contribute and for some reason, including us, all see it and say WTF?
The fact OKC was down almost the entire game, or atleast seemed to be fighting an uphill battle-- then all the sudden Westbrook sits the entire 4th quarter, then astonishingly they pull the W.
That says A TON when you're considered the face of your team, with Durant slightly above him. His backup played the entire 4th quarter, and in my opinion won because of it.
Westbrook already has this bad reputation with ego, and he is not helping his case. You're a PG and the coach benches you while screaming "PASS THE BALL!".
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Westbrook took all the heat when Durant couldn't get open and he was the only other scorer on the floor. OKC needs another bench scorer so Harden can start and then the PG has more options then dribble till KD's open/drive if KD doesn't get open. Sadly, that is OKC's set offense.
Cook-Harden-Durant-Nazr/Collision + Maynor is a better offensive lineup not because of Maynor. Because there's 3 legit shooters outside of the PG, 2 that can create their own shot. Thabo and Perkins can't do anything offensively, Ibaka is limited to put backs and a nice mid range jumper. After that it's Durant gets open or Russ drives. And it worked sooooo bad it got them the 4 seed and to the WCF.
[QUOTE=liquidrage]Newsflash: Westbrook wasn't benched because of his play or Maynor's play. He was benched because he snapped at Brooks when he came back to the bench after a TO that was his fault. I mean really. He was having a good game. 2 of his 4 TO's were Perkin's fault anyways. Dude can't catch but still credited to Russ.[/QUOTE]
Where do you get your inside information?
Your post is illogical.
He was already being taken out when Brooks told him to pass and he snapped on him so how do you know the comment is what kept RW on the bench?
Please dont tell me you believe in what is said at press conferences.
[QUOTE=liquidrage]Westbrook took all the heat when Durant couldn't get open and he was the only other scorer on the floor. OKC needs another bench scorer so Harden can start and then the PG has more options then dribble till KD's open/drive if KD doesn't get open. Sadly, that is OKC's set offense.
Cook-Harden-Durant-Nazr/Collision + Maynor is a better offensive lineup not because of Maynor. Because there's 3 legit shooters outside of the PG, 2 that can create their own shot. Thabo and Perkins can't do anything offensively, Ibaka is limited to put backs and a nice mid range jumper. After that it's Durant gets open or Russ drives. And it worked sooooo bad it got them the 4 seed and to the WCF.[/QUOTE]
Obviously he was doing something wrong within the parameters of the offense unless you think Brooks is just picking on him.
[QUOTE=BlackMamba24]he'll become a great pg. he's only friggin 22. i see so much potential in him he just needs to mature. same goes for rose, he may be the mvp but he's still far from being a true elite guard. they're still young. chill out.[/QUOTE]
Winning MVP, being the AS starter, leading pgs in scoring and blocks, and leading your team to the ECF at 22 doesn't make you elite?
He's FAR from it?
Child please.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Where do you get your inside information?
Your post is illogical.
He was already being taken out when Brooks told him to pass and he snapped on him so how do you know the comment is what kept RW on the bench?
Please dont tell me you believe in what is said at press conferences.[/QUOTE]
He was pulled out at his normal time. Brooks has basically never deviated from his rotation before. And no, I don't believe what was said at the press conference.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Obviously he was doing something wrong within the parameters of the offense unless you think Brooks is just picking on him.[/QUOTE]
No, I think Russ said something pretty freaking bad to Brooks and Brooks benched him for it. Nothing else would even come close to making sense.
Coach Brooks did the right thing.
Westbrook can play fantastic, like Game 7 of the Memphis series - absolutely fantastic, and then he plays like garbage, like last night.
Theres no need for such overreaction. Steve Nash was benched for the 4th quarter when Dragic had a breakout game, so Dragic > Nash or the Suns played better without Nash?
:lol
[QUOTE=liquidrage]No, I think Russ said something pretty freaking bad to Brooks and Brooks benched him for it. Nothing else would even come close to making sense.[/QUOTE]
Him not passing when he should and Maynor sticking to the plan which resulted in RW getting benched doesn't make sense?
If Russ was killing in the parameters of the offense I'm sure some coarse words wouldn't get him benched.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Him not passing when he should and Maynor sticking to the plan which resulted in RW getting benched doesn't make sense?
If Russ was killing in the parameters of the offense I'm sure some coarse words wouldn't get him benched.[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the entire game, or just the person with the ball? Durant continuously struggled to get separation during the 2nd and 3rd quarters last night.
Come back to reality, Westbrick. OKC revolves around Durant, not you.
[QUOTE]Westbrook made a play call that his teammates failed to run properly. When the play broke down, Westbrook made a one-on-one move that resulted in a turnover.
Thunder head coach Scott Brooks promptly took Westbrook, who had four turnovers, out of the game. Brooks slapped the all-star point guard on his backside as he walked by him. Westbrook turned around and glared at the court. Then, [B]when Brooks walked toward him and made a comment, Westbrook yelled, "I'm trying to run the [expletive] play, man."[/B]
[B]Westbrook continued yelling on the bench for roughly a minute -- saying "tell them to run the [expletive] play," [/B]according to the source -- sparking assistant coach Maurice Cheeks to console him while the game was going on.
His teammates and other members of the organization know he's volatile and prone to getting angry, but it typically dissipates quickly.
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[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/news/story?id=6569847[/url]
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Him not passing when he should and Maynor sticking to the plan which resulted in RW getting benched doesn't make sense?
If Russ was killing in the parameters of the offense I'm sure some coarse words wouldn't get him benched.[/QUOTE]
See the above post. Something similar was leaked last night as well.
Brooks wasn't pissed at Russ when he came off the court, it was his normal sub time. It was what Russ did after he came off that got him benched. Brooks isn't going to throw him under a bus though so he did the "maynor" was hot during the press conference. Maynor was OK. It was Harden and Durant that went off. PG was basically irrelevant.
It seems Westbrook handled the press pretty damn well all things considered. We all know he wasn't happy not playing in the 4th, and really, any player of his caliber, who wouldn't be? It was the right decision, but the entire thing could have easily backfired in Brooks' face. Thank God it didn't! Go Thunder!
[QUOTE=dbugz]Good things are happening when Maynor is on the floor instead of Westbrook.
All Westbrook does on the floor are to ballhog, jack ups questionable shot selection and wasting their shotclocks by keep on dribbling and dribbling until he turns the ball over.
I hope they keep him on the bench until he realize that basketball isn't all about dribbling and nba is not an and1 street ball competition.[/QUOTE]
I agree! :rockon:
They should start maynor or give him more minutes if westbrook continues to struggle. in game 1, he struggled to his shots. in game 2, he struggled by his turnovers. i think westbrook is more of a SG than a PG. would you agree?
They shouldn't start Maynor. Hell, they shouldn't give him more than 15-20 minutes unless he's playing absolutely flawless basketball. Did you see the end of the 4th quarter? There's a reason he's a backup.
People are overreacting to this. Westbrook only had 4 TO's and was 7-15.
[QUOTE=alfonsito123]They should start maynor or give him more minutes if westbrook continues to struggle. in game 1, he struggled to his shots. in game 2, he struggled by his turnovers. i think westbrook is more of a SG than a PG. would you agree?[/QUOTE]
That's a fair assessment. Someone earlier mentioned the AI comparison. Westbrook's passing game is starting PG material, but he obviously looks more comfortable in the SG position.
He reminds me of Areans in that he'll be in-and-out of the superstar all-star superstar all-star merry-go-round.
[QUOTE=alfonsito123]They should start maynor or give him more minutes if westbrook continues to struggle. in game 1, he struggled to his shots. in game 2, he struggled by his turnovers. i think westbrook is more of a SG than a PG. would you agree?[/QUOTE]
Starting Maynor would be foolish. It would derail OKC's flow and obviously tick off Westbrook. Westbrook is the starter, he's been a vital part of the team's success and getting them this far, so why in the hell would you bench him and start the backup based off the performance of a single game? Westbrook is already keeping his cool and doing the right thing... but if you bench him and start Maynor nothing positive could come from that; all hell would break loose and the team chemistry would be flipped upside down taking sides...
:hammerhead:
If OKC actually starts Maynor, I don't see the Thunder killing us. Yeah, he is streaky, but he is great at attacking the basket, he draws fouls, dishes out great passes and if he's got a hot hand, he can go off for 30+. OKC usually needs Westbrook to score 20+ to win a game.
Scottie Brooks did a good coaching job I suppose. But even though it paid off this time, Westbrook is definitely more important in crunch time than Maynor.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]They shouldn't start Maynor. Hell, they shouldn't give him more than 15-20 minutes unless he's playing absolutely flawless basketball. Did you see the end of the 4th quarter? There's a reason he's a backup.[/QUOTE]
Yeah people forget the two TO's that didn't get credited to Maynor due to chance. Yet 2 of Russ's 4 TO's were on Perkins but are credited to Westbrook because "stone hands" never got control.
Russ got pulled because he tried to run a play the players didn't run, had to improvise, turned it over, and was so pissed when he came to the bench he went off on Brooks about it. Westbrook mentally is easily set off kilter. With the media hounding and now this, I think he may be broke. We'll see how he responds.
[QUOTE]After the game, he said he had no problem with not playing because "[B]we was winning[/B]."
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:lol