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Knight looked about 6'5 on T.V and Irving looked about 6'1.
Williams is about what I expected
Player Height w/ Shoes Weight Wing Span Standing Reach
Delonte West 6'1.5" 6'2.75" 183 6'6" 8'3.5"
Kyrie Irving 6'1.75" 6'3.5" 191 6'4" 8'3"
Brandon Knight 6'1.5" 6'3.25" 177 6'6.75" 8'2.5"
Jimmrs Fredette 6'0.75" 6'2.5" 196 6'4.5" 8'0.5"
Kemba Walker 5' 11.5" 6'1" 184 6'3.5" 7'7.5"
Irving is taller than Dwest
Actually, I take that back... Deron Williams only measured in at 6-foot-2 3/4 in shoes at his combine. Irving is taller than Williams. Shocking.
2 isiah thomas'?
Irving Kanter and Williams all had solid measurements there pretty much lock for top 3 this is how i think it goes
Irving
Kanter
Williams
wholey crap, Derrick Williams is 250lbs?????
Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that
Can people stop talking about The Combine, it freaks me out.
Too many Half-life i suppose. :D
I don't mean to be rude, but when normal people talk about height it's not in shoes.
Shoes change. Your height (hopefully) does not.
is it me or is all the draft stuff happening sooner than last year??
We had the lottery, then the combine, it seems like next week we will have the draft. Everything is happening so fast to me
[QUOTE=Ikill]Irving Kanter and Williams all had solid measurements there pretty much lock for top 3 this is how i think it goes
Irving
Kanter
Williams[/QUOTE]
I doubt the Jazz draft Kanter, He didnt want to work out for them at first and see Washington, Cavs and T-Wolves are the teams he prefer
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]
Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that[/QUOTE]
I was wondering the same thing.
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]is it me or is all the draft stuff happening sooner than last year??
We had the lottery, then the combine, it seems like next week we will have the draft. Everything is happening so fast to me[/QUOTE]
Draft not until the end of June. Its May buddy, perhaps you advanced your calender ahead by accident. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=kaiiu]I doubt the Jazz draft Kanter, He didnt want to work out for them at first and see Washington, Cavs and T-Wolves are the teams he prefer[/QUOTE]
Yeah i'm saying he goes second to Twolves
[QUOTE=Ikill]Yeah i'm saying he goes second to Twolves[/QUOTE]
Cool with me. That just leaves Williams at #4
[QUOTE=Sicknote]I was wondering the same thing.[/QUOTE]
it comes down to where your arms start. If you have a big head/long neck then comparing your standing reach to height won't seem as impressive as your wingspan.
[QUOTE=Sicknote]I was wondering the same thing.[/QUOTE]
if you have very wide shoulders, you will have a big wingspan, but a shorter vertical reach
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]wholey crap, Derrick Williams is 250lbs?????
Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that[/QUOTE]
Sure... Wingspan is the length measured with arms out-stretch to the sides from fingertip to fingertip.
Reach is simply the length of the arm out-stretch above the head, like you are reaching for something, I believe.
So, a person would have a longer wingspan than reach because of having very broad shoulders. Meanwhile, the width of a torso would have nothing to do with a measurement of reach.
[QUOTE=Darkess]I don't mean to be rude, but when normal people talk about height it's not in shoes.
Shoes change. Your height (hopefully) does not.[/QUOTE]
I believe the measurement with shoes is what the NBA uses as official height... Which is why I used it. If you use the barefoot measurement, it is going to be an unfair barometer when comparing a draft prospect to the listed heights of other NBA players.
For instance, Deron Williams measured in at 6'1.75" in barefeet at the pre-draft combine, but he is listed at 6-foot-3 by the NBA... His rounded up height with shoes.
jeremy tyler with a wing span of 7.5 inches. he managed to clear the rung on his vertical leap test, which was set at 12 feet (which was then moved up).. I hope miami gets this guy. He's a legit 6'11 and very athletic. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. we have the 31st pick.
Keith Benson is a sleeper pick in the 2nd round if you ask me, he played in the shitty Summit League, but basically Oakland dominated that conference and the tourney because of him.
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]wholey crap, Derrick Williams is 250lbs?????
Can someone clarify how a guy can have a longer wingspan but a shorter reach?? I can't wrap my head around that[/QUOTE]
Reach is dependent more on height of shoulders and overall height, wingspan is how long your arms are and is measured with your arms out to your sides. Blake Griffin and Wade have similar wingspans but Blake is taller so he has a higher reach.
:cheers: to everyone who clarified the wingspan vs. reach, I get it
[QUOTE=Gundress]Why isn't Jimmer in top 5?[/QUOTE]
Why would he be?
Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.[/QUOTE]
that shocked me, seeing the dude is 6'9" 250lbs. 250!!!!
Seeing him in college I though he was 6'7" 230 max compared to other kids on the court. But the guy is much bigger than I anticipated.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.[/QUOTE]
in his interviews he was very adamant that he was a sf, i think hed be much more effective as a pf though. mismatch nightmare at the 4
[QUOTE=Theoo's Daddy]jeremy tyler with a wing span of 7.5 inches. he managed to clear the rung on his vertical leap test, which was set at 12 feet (which was then moved up).. I hope miami gets this guy. He's a legit 6'11 and very athletic. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. we have the 31st pick.[/QUOTE]
he's also 262 lbs dudes big real big
[QUOTE=Theoo's Daddy]jeremy tyler with a wing span of 7.5 inches. he managed to clear the rung on his vertical leap test, which was set at 12 feet (which was then moved up).. I hope miami gets this guy. He's a legit 6'11 and very athletic. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. we have the 31st pick.[/QUOTE]
he's the sleeper in the draft, I hope the knicks draft him but there might be more value at 17 and who knows what donnies thinking right now :facepalm as long as we don't pick morris from michigan
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Derrick Williams could be a real stud. He's basically the same size as Amar'e Stoudemire.[/QUOTE]
yeah .25 shorter wingspan and .5 shorter standing reach but a lot more weight 233 compared to 250
tyler has yet to make any real contributions on a basketball court tho, so i think that may hinder him
[QUOTE=Ikill]yeah .25 shorter wingspan and .5 shorter standing reach but a lot more weight 233 compared to 250[/QUOTE]
Jumpshot is suspect but i don't see him fitting in minny with beasley and love there either
[QUOTE=HaNdLe ThE RoCk]Jumpshot is suspect but i don't see him fitting in minny with beasley and love there either[/QUOTE]
no way Minny drafts him maybe Jazz
[QUOTE=chips93]in his interviews he was very adamant that he was a sf, i think hed be much more effective as a pf though. mismatch nightmare at the 4[/QUOTE]
i agree but i think he can play sf and he most likely will because every team in the top 5 is set at pf
[QUOTE=Ikill]no way Minny drafts him maybe Jazz[/QUOTE]
i think the wolves move the pick.
[QUOTE=chips93]i think the wolves move the pick.[/QUOTE]
I want to see him in Washington
[QUOTE=Ikill]i agree but i think he can play sf and he most likely will because every team in the top 5 is set at pf[/QUOTE]
maybe he gets the Thad Young treatment and plays both forward spots? He isn't as athletic as Young but I think he can do it.
If Minny passes on this kid, Kahn just solidified how dumb we all think he is is the truth, maybe understated a little
[QUOTE=chips93]tyler has yet to make any real contributions on a basketball court tho, so i think that may hinder him[/QUOTE]
he was playing in japan for coach brian hill formely of orlando magic..
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]maybe he gets the Thad Young treatment and plays both forward spots? He isn't as athletic as Young but I think he can do it.
If Minny passes on this kid, Kahn just solidified how dumb we all think he is is the truth, maybe understated a little[/QUOTE]
actually if he picks him that would be kind of dumb they already have Beasley love and Randolph all of them a lot of potential
[QUOTE=Theoo's Daddy]he was playing in japan for coach brian hill formely of orlando magic..[/QUOTE]
he wasnt even playing in a good japanese league as far as i know. the guy has never proven he can play against any real level of competition. if he gets drafted, its purely on physical tools. not a knock on the guy, just that he is unproven
[QUOTE=Ikill]actually if he picks him that would be kind of dumb they already have Beasley love and Randolph all of them a lot of potential[/QUOTE]
Randolph? :oldlol: What has he done to warrant one to say [I]"I'll pass on Derrick Williams, we have Randolph. Doesnt make sense to add Derrick Williams."[/I]. Get real.
It would be dumb not to draft him. Once you do? You open up options to trade the pick in a package for a proven/established player. You open the option to trade down and aquire a need plus include other picks and/or player (whatever the situation is at hand).
Thats the smart thing to do. You dont just pass Derrick Williams up and give the team drafting 3rd overall a gift.
[I]"You guys are welcome but we have Love Beasley and Randolph."[/I] :facepalm
[QUOTE=Ikill]actually if he picks him that would be kind of dumb they already have Beasley love and Randolph all of them a lot of potential[/QUOTE]
you think so? The guy hoards pgs, I would think he would hoard hybrid forwards too?
I have a rule, you don't trade a top 3 pick unless you are getting a star in return. I don't count Granger as a star. I don't see Wiliams as a star yet either but at least you get good talent on a cheap contract for 4 years.
And, I highly doubt Minny drafts a top 3 pick ever again based on how Adam Silver responded to Kahn's "compelling storylines" statement.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Randolph? :oldlol: What has he done to warrant one to say [I]"I'll pass on Derrick Williams, we have Randolph. Doesnt make sense to add Derrick Williams."[/I]. Get real.
It would be dumb not to draft him. Once you do? You open up options to trade the pick in a package for a proven/established player. You open the option to trade down and aquire a need plus include other picks and/or player (whatever the situation is at hand).
Thats the smart thing to do. You dont just pass Derrick Williams up and give the team drafting 3rd overall a gift.
[I]"You guys are welcome but we have Love Beasley and Randolph."[/I] :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I'm saying it would be dumb to keep him