solid numbers, i just wanna see some highlights and who he was playing against
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solid numbers, i just wanna see some highlights and who he was playing against
Review of his game today:
[QUOTE]Yes, it was just an exhibition game. And yes, Team USA
I really want to see this guy play. It's gonna be a long ass year.
I think the mid range shot could be a weapon for Valanciunas (FT shooting usually translates to overall shooting ability fairly well) but I'm glad his inclination is to play in the paint first.
I do think fouls will be a pretty big problem with him (not out of the ordinary) his first few years in the league though. His foul rate was high overseas and the NBA is a lot more strict in that regard.
[QUOTE=Kungfro]I really want to see this guy play. It's gonna be a long ass year.[/QUOTE]
Watch the FIBA games then. He's playing in both the U19 tourney right now and in the FIBA Eurobasketball tournament with the national team.
Looks like a more athletic and aggressive Biedrins.
[QUOTE=Beebo]Looks like a more athletic and aggressive Biedrins.[/QUOTE]
I would love for him to become like Biedrins because Biedrins' major flaw (FT shooting) is not an issue at all for Val. You can give him the ball on offense and not be afraid of him going to the line.
[quote=bballnoob]I think the mid range shot could be a weapon for Valanciunas (FT shooting usually translates to overall shooting ability fairly well) but I'm glad his inclination is to play in the paint first.
I do think fouls will be a pretty big problem with him (not out of the ordinary) his first few years in the league though. His foul rate was high overseas and the NBA is a lot more strict in that regard.[/quote]
I see him as a taller Amir Johnson with a better shot. Which is a pretty good return for our pick IMO.
I compare him to Amir because of excessive fouling, decent defense/rebounding and hustle.
[QUOTE=Toni]I see him as a taller Amir Johnson with a better shot. Which is a pretty good return for our pick IMO.
I compare him to Amir because of excessive fouling, decent defense/rebounding and hustle.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly who I see him as too..a 7 foot Euro version of Amir. Like Amir, he's a solid weakside defender, very good pick and roll player, good FT shooter, solid rebounder, but he needs to get stronger. The Ilgauskas comparison that Casey made was terrible IMO. Ilgauskas was never as fluid or as mobile as Val.
[quote=Toronto Sun]Jonas Valanciunas was the best player on the floor as Lithuania humiliated the United States 108-75 in a tuneup for the FIBA under-19 championship, which gets underway on Thursday in Latvia.
The fifth overall selection by the Raptors imposed his will on the smaller Americans, compiling a game-high 23 points and 11 rebounds, along with two blocks and a steal.
Valanciunas is rail-thin and must pack on 15-25 pounds before he can compete effectively in the NBA, but against those his own age, he has consistently dominated.
Previously, Valanciunas was named MVP of FIBA’s under-18 and under-16 tournaments.[/quote]
[URL="http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/28/raptors-draft-pick-sharp-against-us"]http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/28/raptors-draft-pick-sharp-against-us[/URL]
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]I would love for him to become like Biedrins because Biedrins' major flaw (FT shooting) is not an issue at all for Val. You can give him the ball on offense and not be afraid of him going to the line.[/QUOTE]
Lets hope he isn't injury prone like Biedrins
I wasn't really excited about the pick at first but now I can't wait to see this kid play
Against Croatia today, Val dropped 19 pts (7-17 FG, 5-6 FT), 13 rebs, 5 blks!
[quote=Reef]Against Croatia today, [B]Val [/B]dropped 23 pts (7-17 FG, 5-6 FT), 13 rebs, 5 blks![/quote]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puvJDYCeq90"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puvJDYCeq90[/URL] :pimp:
[QUOTE=Reef]Against Croatia today, Val dropped 23 pts (7-17 FG, 5-6 FT), 13 rebs, 5 blks![/QUOTE]
It was actually 19 points. And Lithuania lost :(
[QUOTE=Prodigy]It was actually 19 points. And Lithuania lost :([/QUOTE]
Psh Lithuania, who cares about them? Valanciunas is the only important part of that team for me right now :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Prodigy]It was actually 19 points. And Lithuania lost :([/QUOTE]
Yup, my bad.
Against South Korea today, Val had 25 pts (11-11 FG! 3-3 FT), 17 rebs, 2 blks in 19 mins!!
:bowdown:
then again, south korea :rolleyes:
kid really looks like the real deal.
today against serbia he had 18 pts, 13 reb and 3 blocks.
two days ago against canada 15pts, 9 reb and 4 blocks [B]in 19 mins![/B]:bowdown:
Just for clarification, if there is an NBA season next year, he will definitely be playing for us or will he still be in Europe?
[QUOTE=bokes15]Just for clarification, if there is an NBA season next year, he will definitely be playing for us or will he still be in Europe?[/QUOTE]
He's joining the team for the 2012-13 season regardless of what happens this year (lockout/short season whatever it may be)
can he not be a tim duncan one day??? he's got some quickness (in terms of turn around, body movements, ie: not speed)
[quote=bluerap]kid really looks like the real deal.
today against serbia he had 18 pts, 13 reb and 3 blocks.
two days ago against canada 15pts, 9 reb and 4 blocks [B]in 19 mins![/B]:bowdown:[/quote]
Only 2 fouls in 34 minutes against Serbia too :applause:
Against the US today, he had 30 pts, 15 rebs, 4 blks!! He's averaging 21.4 pts, 13.4 rebs, 3.6 blks in 28.1 mins!!
Stop hyping me up guys, I want to keep my expectations low so I can be pleasantly surprised when he starts playing for the Raps.
[quote=Reef]Against the US today, he had 30 pts, 15 rebs, 4 blks!! He's averaging 21.4 pts, 13.4 rebs, 3.6 blks in 28.1 mins!![/quote]
Colangelo doesn't know what the **** he's doing :facepalm
[QUOTE=Toni]Colangelo doesn't know what the **** he's doing :facepalm[/QUOTE]
He's in love with Euros. He drafted another Bargnani clone. :lol
[QUOTE=Reef]He's in love with Euros. He drafted another Bargnani clone. :lol[/QUOTE]
lol he's not a clone but in the spirit of BC bashing i'll agree :cheers:
[QUOTE=Burgz]lol he's not a clone but in the spirit of BC bashing i'll agree :cheers:[/QUOTE]
I was joking like Toni was. So far Val is the anti-Bargs! :rockon:
[QUOTE=Reef]I was joking like Toni was. So far Val is the anti-Bargs! :rockon:[/QUOTE]
i kind of agree with Toni
so much so that i think BC doesn't know what he's doing to the point where he makes [B]good[/B] decisions hahaha
it's hard to fault bc for his draft picks.
even if you think bargs wasn't the best option he was still easily worthy of a top 3 in that weak draft, so it wasn't that far of a stretch.
demar and davis were very solid picks.
val looks like he could become a very solid #5.
The roy hibbert trade definitely didn't work out, but still would have been a good pick at 17.
the other year - 2007, the pick was traded back in 2002 by glen grunwald for yogi stewart.
now if we could only keep him away from free agency!
Draft is a scouts' work. You see how good a GM is in the trades, and BC is awful.
[QUOTE=Reef]He's in love with Euros. He drafted another Bargnani clone. :lol[/QUOTE]
I hope people don't really think this. JV plays at the rim, always. Great finisher, great defender. Not a great outside shooter, not soft, not Bargs.
[QUOTE=FCardelle]Draft is a scouts' work. You see how good a GM is in the trades, and BC is awful.[/QUOTE]
Trades and signings, and on that you have 100% agreement from me :cheers:
I kinda hope they lock next year out. JV gets more experience than everyone not going to Europe (and hopefully with our guidance gets bigger) and hopefully it results in a hard cap so that BC can stop overpaying players with the exemptions that he treats like free money and teams like the lakers can't just pay the salary taxes to stay on top.
I don't enjoy my backup teams enough, and find them too difficult to watch, for another year of Raptor basketbally without the new blood joining the team to be a propisition I have interest in.
Prior to the draft, I found Valanciunas to be intriguing, and I'm pleased that he was the pick(as opposed to other names I heard being thrown around: Biyombo, Leonard, Vesely :facepalm). He does have nice potential and can end up being one of the better players in this draft. I think a couple of others here have already said that a Val/Davis front court could end up being pretty solid a few years down the road.
[QUOTE=Reef]I was joking like Toni was. [B][I]So far Val is the anti-Bargs[/I][/B]! :rockon:[/QUOTE]
best way to decide on a prospect.
I can see this kid turning into the next pau gasol.
[QUOTE=bluerap]I can see this kid turning into the next pau gasol.[/QUOTE]
Gasol had an unreal skill level coming into the league and despite not being a household name until reaching the Lakers, he was an immediate producer (ROY IIRC) coming into the league.
Hopefully Jonas can continue to stay on the floor when he faces some better competition this upcoming season. Not much to take from him beating up a bunch of kids when he normally would play against older players anyway.
[QUOTE=bballnoob]Gasol had an unreal skill level coming into the league and despite not being a household name until reaching the Lakers, he was an immediate producer (ROY IIRC) coming into the league.
Hopefully Jonas can continue to stay on the floor when he faces some better competition this upcoming season. Not much to take from him beating up a bunch of kids when he normally would play against older players anyway.[/QUOTE]
Gasol was also 21 years old when he was drafted.
Imagine if Val had the next 2 years to develop BEFORE being drafted.
The season before being drafted, Gasol was already one of the best players in Europe, playing at the highest level. On the other hand, Valanciunas is playing an U-19 championship. There is no reason to think that Valanciunas will improve so much in two years. I think that he will be a solid NBA player, though.
Bargnani is still the most talented player in the roster and Valanciunas can be a good compliment at C, while Ed Davis can become an above average 6th man. That's a soild rotation.