David West opts out of Hornets contract, becomes free agent

[quote=InspiredLebowski]I guarantee you he gets a raise and at least a 4 year deal. Probably from Jersey.[/quote]

Something like this.

This thread was a good opportunity to exercise your NBA mind and the reality of the NBA, not just what ESPN says or your emotional reaction.

[B]Typical ISH reaction:[/B] "What a moron!"

[B]Sit back and understand the NBA reaction:[/B] "Why would he do this? Why would I do this?"

Why would I do this? Because someone who can guarantee more money (a team with cap or my own organisation) [B]has[/B] guaranteed more money/years.

[B]ISH:[/B] "But wait thats against the rules!!!"

[B]Sit back and understand the NBA reaction:[/B] Get real. In business rules are broken when its proven in court that they were broken.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]I guarantee you he gets a raise and at least a 4 year deal. Probably from Jersey.[/QUOTE]
Even if it is Billy King....I really really doubt that. The torn ACL won't effect his game much if at all, but I can't seem him getting a raise being on the wrong side of 30 and 4 years.

[QUOTE=Rowe]Wow.

This is really a questionable decision considering that West is coming off of major knee surgery to repair his ACL/MCL, is already 30, and has basically suggested hes worth more than the $8 Million hes been paid.

Honestly, I think the best case scenario for him is to hope he can work out a longterm deal with the Hornets. The only problem is that with the NBA owning them, David West having a longterm deal along with Okafor will actually make the franchise look less attractive to a buyer.

This is without a doubt a sign of the end if New Orleans cant bring him back, I know they like Carl Landry but West is a better & more consistent player.[/QUOTE]

The NBA is headed for a lockout. This is going to give him a lot more time to heal and not miss any time. By the time the NBA season is going to begin, he will likely be healed. If there was no CBA negotiations looming, I think he would not opt out.

This current free agent class is not very strong. There will be teams who are interested in him.

Plus, he probably wants out bc he knows Paul is about to bolt. I dont think he would want to sign long term there. The Hornets future is looking bleak.

Him opting out makes sense to me for the above reasons.

should fetch somethin like either

2 yr 18 mil or 3 yr 24 mil

Phoenix.

And then they can move Warrick to reserves besides Frye.

[QUOTE=Rowe]Thats how I see it too. The $8 Million he would've made makes more sense than trying to hope a team gambles longterm for more money than he was previously due while coming off a major injury.

He may get a rude awakening just like Ron Artest did a few years ago. In Ron's case he saved face by signing for a full MLE deal at 5/$33 Million on a Championship team. Maybe West could follow the same route, but this time to a team like San Antonio.[/QUOTE]


Dude its a virtual certainty he's gonna get at least like 25 million dollars. And as soon as he scribbles his name on the dotted line, its guaranteed.

As opposed to only 8 million left on a contract and having to risk further damage and possibly career ending injury for an entire season without any insurance past that season.

This is actually a no brainer for David West. Whoever his agent is has been doing this for years and knows what hes doing. Slow your roles, ISH financial advisers...

Maybe Milwaukee works out a sign and trade,

I always thought he would go to the Spurs.

If he leaves NO, so does Chris Paul. Rondo and Green could get it done...

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]If he leaves NO, so does Chris Paul. Rondo and Green could get it done...[/QUOTE]

It doesnt matter if West leaves or stays, Paul is leaving no matter what. West is not a good enough incentive.

[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas]It doesnt matter if West leaves or stays, Paul is leaving no matter what. West is not a good enough incentive.[/QUOTE]

Well yeah, but I think this pushes the deal ahead.

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]If he leaves NO, so does Chris Paul. [B]Rondo and Green could get it done...[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol :lol keep dreaming...

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]:lol :lol keep dreaming...[/QUOTE]

Name the better offer with an elite PG.

Does anyone know the possibly destination teams of who can realistically sign him?

[QUOTE=Meticode]Does anyone know the possibly destination teams of who can realistically sign him?[/QUOTE]

In terms of signing him outright? Not sure, and those that can might not be able to post-lockout...

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Name the better offer with an elite PG.[/QUOTE]

No team is going to trade anything of value for Paul unless they know he wants to sign there long term. That takes out about 90% of the league. The only way I see NO trading Paul is if Okafur is included as well, but we won't know if thats possible until a new CBA.

apparently it will be Indiana and New Jersey in on him

if Indy got him they'd be DIRTYYYY

collison(33)/hill (22)
george (28)/rush (13)
granger (35)/dunny (13)
west(34) /hansbrough (24)
hibbert (28)/foster (10)

somethin like that would be sick

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]In terms of signing him outright? Not sure, and those that can might not be able to post-lockout...[/QUOTE]
True. If I remember correctly 22 NBA teams are losing money.

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Name the better offer with an elite PG.[/QUOTE]
Russy+Perkins.

I really think CP3 goes to OKC, when OKC extends him.

[QUOTE=da dream]No team is going to trade anything of value for Paul unless they know he wants to sign there long term. That takes out about 90% of the league. The only way I see NO trading Paul is if Okafur is included as well, but we won't know if thats possible until a new CBA.[/QUOTE]

If the rumours about Paul and Howard wanting to play together are true, Boston is the ideal destination, and CP3 would sign an extension there if Howard were to come.

[QUOTE=Rose]Russy+Perkins.

I really think CP3 goes to OKC, when OKC extends him.[/QUOTE]

Don't see why NO wants any part of Perkins' contract, never mind him as a player.

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]If the rumours about Paul and Howard wanting to play together are true, Boston is the ideal destination, and CP3 would sign an extension there if Howard were to come.[/QUOTE]
is that a rumor Celtic fans made up like the Nets fans want to think DWill and Howard are bbf's? So he has to come to their team? Can i make up a story where howard only wants to play with Melo?

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]If the rumours about Paul and Howard wanting to play together are true, Boston is the ideal destination, and CP3 would sign an extension there if Howard were to come.[/QUOTE]
Who was the last big time Free Agent to sign in Boston?

History lesson for you.

[QUOTE=Skywalker]apparently it will be Indiana and New Jersey in on him

if Indy got him they'd be DIRTYYYY

collison(33)/hill (22)
george (28)/rush (13)
granger (35)/dunny (13)
west(34) /hansbrough (24)
hibbert (28)/foster (10)

somethin like that would be sick[/QUOTE]

Not really. They're still getting bounced in Round 1 with that lineup.

Does someone out there believe Danny Granger can carry a team deep into the Playoffs?

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Don't see why NO wants any part of Perkins' contract, never mind him as a player.[/QUOTE]
Offer the incentive of Russy+Harden+Perkins for
CP3+Ariza or Emeka.

And funny how Perkins went from OH! if we have him we win game 7, to why the **** would the Hornets want him?!!?!?

If they get Emeka they basically replace Perkins with a more expensive version but a slightly more offensively enabled guy. Plus it gives them a better point guard, and the perfect one for Durant. Hell they could take both Ariza and Emeka probably.

CP3-Ariza-Durant-Ibaka-Emeka
Maynor-Sefo-Cook?-Collison-Aldrich

That's a ****ing great defensive line-up and a solid offensive line-up.

Latest rumors say he wants to go to Miami. Not sure how that would work. Bosh at C?

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Name the better offer with an elite PG.[/QUOTE]

Rondo elite :wtf:

Rondo's talent seems to shine when he plays alongside 3 hall of famers.

Jesus, one at a time.

[QUOTE=niko]is that a rumor Celtic fans made up like the Nets fans want to think DWill and Howard are bbf's? So he has to come to their team? Can i make up a story where howard only wants to play with Melo?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/30/dwight-howard-wants-to-play-with-chris-paul-jameer-who/[/url]

[QUOTE]Who was the last big time Free Agent to sign in Boston?

History lesson for you.[/QUOTE]

Last one to sign in NJ, OKC?

[QUOTE]Offer the incentive of Russy+Harden+Perkins for
CP3+Ariza or Emeka.

And funny how Perkins went from OH! if we have him we win game 7, to why the **** would the Hornets want him?!!?!?[/QUOTE]

Westbrook + Harden > CP3, as that is effectively the trade. They're both younger and have high ceilings.

And you're taking that statement way out of context - it has been said (not by everyone) that Perk could have made the difference in game 6 OR 7, game 7 being the primary example as LA got 23 offensive boards and Perk was a guy who manned the paint for us. That does NOT make him an asset for a rebuilding team. Anderson Varejao would have been useful for the Celtics in game 7, but would you say he is an asset to the rebuilding Cavs (especially considering his ludicrous contract)?

[QUOTE]Hell they could take both Ariza and Emeka probably.[/QUOTE]

Really, where are these $34m in contracts coming from on OKC? They only have $49m in contracts next year and take away Durant's $13m that leaves $36m, there no way OKC guts practically their entire roster for CP3.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]Rondo elite :wtf:

Rondo's talent seems to shine when he plays alongside 3 hall of famers.[/QUOTE]

Seeing as you haven't seen him play without 3 HoFs you can't reasonably make that argument.

Also, during the 2010 playoff run (widely considered Rondo's best stretch of his career) his assists went down as the big 3's scoring went up. But he's only good if the big 3 are good!

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]
Really, where are these $34m in contracts coming from on OKC? They only have $49m in contracts next year and take away Durant's $13m that leaves $36m, there no way OKC guts practically their entire roster for CP3.[/QUOTE]

Simple. Add a third team who doesn't mind taking on a few extra contracts.

OKC gets:
Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
Manny Harris

NO gets:
Russell Westbrook
Antwan Jamison
Nate Robinson
Cole Aldridge

Cleveland gets:
Kendrick Perkins
Trevor Ariza
Thabo Sefolosha
Royal Ivey
(and uses part of their trade exception)

OKC gets Paul and upgrades Perkins and keeps Harden. NO loses A LOT of contracts and adds a young star in Westbrook. Cleveland gets a starting SF and C which they sorely lack for just laying in the cut.

I think West bounces back from the knee issue.

problem is as I stated in a few threads this is the PF era , and really only a few teams are without a legit PF that can play ton's of competitive minutes .

He is in a rock and a hard place trying to get with a contender.

He can only hope that N.O. gets into a sign and trade scenario, because his free agent market value is only with about 5 teams that could use his services.
Suns , Oak , Nuggets , Cats are what I consider players

Trade scenario's would be with Spurs , hawks , Bucks and Nets

Playoff contenders trade scenario's : Celtics , Orlando

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He might be in a position to get a 1 - 2 year deal and try again .. but my guess his best option is Oak :confusedshrug:

If he wants t ofinish his career with one team , Cats would finalize that

[QUOTE=Jasper]I think West bounces back from the knee issue.

problem is as I stated in a few threads this is the PF era , and really only a few teams are without a legit PF that can play ton's of competitive minutes .

He is in a rock and a hard place trying to get with a contender.

He can only hope that N.O. gets into a sign and trade scenario, because his free agent market value is only with about 5 teams that could use his services.
Suns , Oak , Nuggets , Cats are what I consider players

Trade scenario's would be with Spurs , hawks , Bucks and Nets

Playoff contenders trade scenario's : Celtics , Orlando

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He might be in a position to get a 1 - 2 year deal and try again .. but my guess his best option is Oak :confusedshrug:

If he wants t ofinish his career with one team , Cats would finalize that[/QUOTE]

Nets could offer him big money without S&T.

They have a very good young buck in Humph a PF right now .... but if I recall he is a un-restricted free agent ?? (I say they keep him)

They are in a pickle because they might want to bank on keeping D-Will , but IMO he walks and heads to NY.

So unless a player like West that were to come to the Nets could get some guarennteeeee from D-Will , I doubt he would sign.

From the sounds of it he's not going back to New Orleans. He said he wants to win. It'd be crazy if he signed for the mid-level exception. He'd be a great fit in San Antonio.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]From the sounds of it he's not going back to New Orleans. He said he wants to win. It'd be crazy if he signed for the mid-level exception. He'd be a great fit in San Antonio.[/QUOTE]

Can they even afford him , without doing a sign and trade with N.O. :confusedshrug:

hopefully we can maeka move for paul now

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]this is 100% correct.

David West isnt really that good anyway. He was rocking with CP3 in his 2 All Star appearances. He's just an undersized jump shooting PF that doesnt really do anything else for you other than that. And to add on to the fact that he's coming back from a season ending injury in his 30's.

.... he would be a nice piece for the Pacers though :lol[/QUOTE]

I think you're underrating him. Smart player. Knows how to get good shots, rarely takes a bad one. Killer player in the pick and pop. Limited athlete, which hurts him defensively but tough which almost makes up for it. His pick and roll defense went up a notch this year under Monty Williams, too.

He's not a franchise player but he's still good.

I'd say he's a rich man's Kurt Thomas, which is a compliment, as Kurt Thomas has been a contributor on some very good teams. Smart big guys with nice touch like Kurt (and KG, Juwan Howard, Karl Malone, Webber etc.) stay effective in the league for a long time, too - longer than most athletic 4's.

West should be useful into his mid-30's, as will dudes like Boozer and Al Horford. Something to take into account.

[quote=Jasper]They have a very good young buck in Humph a PF right now [/quote]

Debateable.

What good team even has cap space to sign him? how will he join a top team?

[QUOTE=Jasper]They have a very good young buck in Humph a PF right now .... but if I recall he is a un-restricted free agent ?? (I say they keep him)

They are in a pickle because they might want to bank on keeping D-Will , but IMO he walks and heads to NY.

So unless a player like West that were to come to the Nets could get some guarennteeeee from D-Will , I doubt he would sign.[/QUOTE]
Humphries is horrible. Worst starting PF I can think of, and his rebounding stats are massively inflated.

[QUOTE=Rowe]Who was the last big time Free Agent to sign in Boston?

History lesson for you.[/QUOTE]

KG kind of counts, as a sign and trade. If you don't count him, then:
Shaquille O'Neal
Jermaine O'Neal
Delonte West
Rasheed Wallace
Stephon Marbury
PJ Brown
James Posey
....................
Dominique Wilkins
David Wesley

Why so few free agents? The Celtics have always been master drafters, and have traded for some amazing talent over the years. There's no arguing with that, because they have the most NBA championships in the history of the NBA.

So free agents? Who cares.