TRADE! Kings trade Omri Casspi, pick to Cavaliers for JJ Hickson

I've loved Hickson's game for the past couple of seasons and always wished he got more playing time when LeBron was in Cleveland. It's great that I'll be able to see him play a lot around here (if the Kings don't relocate at least). He's starting to come into his own and will complement what the Kings have developing right now nicely. Only thing I'm fearful about is an overall lack of veteran presence on a team boasting young guys with strong personalities and chips on their shoulders. Salmons is a start but, depending on if he starts/his role in Westphal's rotation, who knows how motivated he'll even be to be back in Sacramento.

The Cleveland side of this trade is a little odd to me. They praised Hickson as an integral part of the rebuild and refused to throw him into prior trades, then turn around and trade him for Casspi and a first round pick. Casspi will be a great fit at the 3 in Cleveland, but I'm convinced the Cavs could have fielded more offers and potentially received more in return.

Maybe Cleveland already has their sights set on a guy in next years draft and wanted to acquire a high pick without tanking a whole season?

Cleveland lost.

i'd be surprised if any of these teams wins 30 games next season.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Cleveland lost.[/QUOTE]

if it made us worse than we won. cause all the crappy teams in the league are fighting for harrison barnes next season!


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The same Hickson whom Cavs did not want to include in a deal for Amare? :facepalm :roll:

[QUOTE=OG LeeTSkeeT]The same Hickson whom Cavs did not want to include in a deal for Amare? :facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE=OG LeeTSkeeT]The same Hickson whom Cavs did not want to include in a deal for Amare? :facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]

Exactly. That's what I said. Makes no sense at all, except that Hickson might have been mad about the Thompson draft pick and let it be known that he wanted out.

The Kings are putting together a interesting collection of big men, who have eclectic talents.

Hickson sucks good move by Cavs to increase Tristan Thompson's PT.

I hate to see Casspi go because he was such a fan favorite. But he fell behind on the depth chart because of fatigue and inconsistency.
But in Sac we had 5 players who play SF with a front court that was thinning. We still have plenty of cap space to add a big name too.

I hope this makes Jason Thompson available...

"Geoff Petrie, line one... it's the Knicks... something about Toney Douglas..."

:wtf: Cavs were so high on Hickson yet trade him for THAT?

Insane trade for the kings, just awesome. But how much does it SUCK that they moved beno? You now have a line up of Cousins, Hickson, Salmons, Thornton, and Tyreke with Jimmer as the 6th man.

Why the hell did they move the only pure passer they had? Keep beno starting and have thornton as a possible 6th man of the year candidate in the future. Then you have a legit passer and floor general with real experience. I love the talent but its gonna be a bunch of former zach randolphs imo. Who ever touches the ball first is FIRING.

Why wouldnt you keep beno, a real pg, and draft leanord? Or if you LOVE jimmer, draft him, but keep beno to have a legit passer. I hate that trade so much.

[QUOTE=All Net]:wtf: Cavs were so high on Hickson yet trade him for THAT?[/QUOTE]

LOL

I wonder if Cavs fans still think "Hickson's potential" should have been enough to keep Lebron from leaving.

:lol

[I]Insert Omri Casspi jewish joke here.[/I]

[QUOTE=OG LeeTSkeeT]The same Hickson whom Cavs did not want to include in a deal for Amare? :facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]
Hey retard!

Hickson was included in the deal... Phoenix turned it down. Can I make that a permanent signature in every post that I make? Seriously, this is one dense crowd. People just don't get it. :hammerhead:


The confusion continues from my side as to what the Cavs' plan is, here... This is essentially Casspi for Hickson, straight up. Hickson may be a block head and have stone hands, but he did average 20/12 in the last month+ of the 2011 season. You are going to give that up for a bench player and a pick that we will never see?

The only thing I can figure is that this is a preemptive move, because JJ has a contract situation on the horizon.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]LOL

I wonder if Cavs fans still think "Hickson's potential" should have been enough to keep Lebron from leaving.

:lol[/QUOTE]
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Dense.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]:hammerhead:

Dense.[/QUOTE]

What? I've had that argument thrown at me a number of times by Cavs fans.

How is that dense? LOL

I just wonder if they are willing to admit they over-rated the shit out of him.

I fvcking hate chris Grant.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]What? I've had that argument thrown at me a number of times by Cavs fans.

How is that dense? LOL

I just wonder if they are willing to admit they over-rated the shit out of him.[/QUOTE]
I'd like you to find that post where a Cavs fan said exactly what you have re-stated again and again... Because you originally tried to attribute it to me and I [I][B]know[/B][/I] I never posted any such thing.

I think you made it up, personally.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I'd like you to find that post where a Cavs fan said exactly what you have re-stated again and again... Because you originally tried to attribute it to me and I [I][B]know[/B][/I] I never posted any such thing.

I think you made it up, personally.[/QUOTE]

You definitely insinuated that a number of times in our talks.

I will look. Cavs fans on here definitely threw out the "hickson potential" as reasons for Lebron to stay.

LOL @ Cavs fans. At least they are loyal. You still think your front office does a great job?

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[QUOTE=DMAVS41]You definitely insinuated that a number of times in our talks.
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Nope... Never did. I was never even that high on Hickson. The guy drove me nuts during his tenure in Cleveland.

Gino, u mad?

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]Insane trade for the kings, just awesome. But how much does it SUCK that they moved beno? You now have a line up of Cousins, Hickson, Salmons, Thornton, and Tyreke with Jimmer as the 6th man.

Why the hell did they move the only pure passer they had? Keep beno starting and have thornton as a possible 6th man of the year candidate in the future. Then you have a legit passer and floor general with real experience. I love the talent but its gonna be a bunch of former zach randolphs imo. Who ever touches the ball first is FIRING.

Why wouldnt you keep beno, a real pg, and draft leanord? Or if you LOVE jimmer, draft him, but keep beno to have a legit passer. I hate that trade so much.[/QUOTE]


its because Tyreke basically needs the ball in his hands to be him. i agree i LOVE Beno's game(very underrated IMO) but whenever i'd watch him play with Tyreke, its like they didn't fit, and had to take turns just so Tyreke would get his shots or drives in, and they clearly wanted Tyreke to take all or most of their shots when he was healthy.

Beno played a lot better when Tyreke was hurt and got to run the offense in more regular sets. Tyreke loves iso 1v1 and drives where everyone else is more or less watching. he's a great player, imo one of the best drivers in the league, probably the best, if he were healthy so i can't blame the Kings. it just sux they have to get rid of Beno.

Kings are looking pretty stacked at every position now. they're going to be fun to watch. i'll still be supporting my boy Beno tho, imo he's better than that chucker Jennings, at the very least plays much smarter.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]Gino, u mad?[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I could care less about the Cavs. I just think its funny....and a little sad.

3 years of hearing about Hickson's potential and now he's gone. Cavs fine front office work at it again.

Hey, at least they didn't botch the 4th pick......

Oh wait.........:facepalm

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]Insane trade for the kings, just awesome. But how much does it SUCK that they moved beno? You now have a line up of Cousins, Hickson, Salmons, Thornton, and Tyreke with Jimmer as the 6th man.

Why the hell did they move the only pure passer they had? Keep beno starting and have thornton as a possible 6th man of the year candidate in the future. Then you have a legit passer and floor general with real experience. I love the talent but its gonna be a bunch of former zach randolphs imo. Who ever touches the ball first is FIRING.

Why wouldnt you keep beno, a real pg, and draft leanord? Or if you LOVE jimmer, draft him, but keep beno to have a legit passer. I hate that trade so much.[/QUOTE]

Yeah it was a bad trade. But the Kings have been high on Salmons because he does provide consistent perimeter defending, and he can play the SF position. The Kings didn't want to draft another raw talent who was inflated by the weak draft because they didn't want to wait while he develops.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]You still think your front office does a great job?
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For a DWade/Mavs fan, you do a lot of thinking about Cleveland.

And, actually -- although I don't agree with the drafting of TT and trading Hickson for nothing -- I do think that the FO has done a pretty good job in the last year. We essentially bought the No. 1 pick in the draft and got rid of some dead weight.

LOL @ the Cavs

Is Tristan supposed to be a starter off the bat? Varejao should be ready to go at Center this season. I thought Hickson at 4 with Tristan learning to play off the bench would be fine for them. Even if they wanted to move Hickson, they could have gotten more in return. The draft pick is going to be nice in a couple of years though.

The Cavs priority should be to move Jamison and Baron. those two are getting $30,000,000 next season.

As for the Kings, the trade is a no brainer since they are overflooded with guards. Sammy D is gone. I like Jason Thompson too but he's probably on his way out. They will look to package him with one of their perimeter guys and get back a solid vet who can play right away.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I'd like you to find that post where a Cavs fan said exactly what you have re-stated again and again... Because you originally tried to attribute it to me and I [I][B]know[/B][/I] I never posted any such thing.

I think you made it up, personally.[/QUOTE]
nope. back in the lebron bandwagon days, when 1/3rd of the board seemed to be cavs fans, the overrating of hickson (lebrons future running mate, a beast, blah) was through the roof. Not by you, necc., but the various ig'nant fanbois

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Not at all. I could care less about the Cavs. I just think its funny....and a little sad.

3 years of hearing about Hickson's potential and now he's gone. Cavs fine front office work at it again.

Hey, at least they didn't botch the 4th pick......

Oh wait.........:facepalm[/QUOTE]

you realize some experts had thompson as the 3rd best players in the draft right?

besides all hickson's super potential has gotten us is practically the same career averages as casspi.

[QUOTE=boozehound]nope. back in the lebron bandwagon days, when 1/3rd of the board seemed to be cavs fans, the overrating of hickson (lebrons future running mate, a beast, blah) was through the roof. Not by you, necc., but the various ig'nant fanbois[/QUOTE]
So, it could have very easily been one of the hoards of people that have since changed their username or admittedly jumped ship? I won't vouch for those people.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Not at all. I could care less about the Cavs. I just think its funny....and a little sad.

3 years of hearing about Hickson's potential and now he's gone. Cavs fine front office work at it again.

Hey, at least they didn't botch the 4th pick......

Oh wait.........:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Chris Grant is a idiot. Who denied that :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=boozehound]nope. back in the lebron bandwagon days, when 1/3rd of the board seemed to be cavs fans, the overrating of hickson (lebrons future running mate, a beast, blah) was through the roof. Not by you, necc., but the various ig'nant fanbois[/QUOTE]

Yep.

It was rampant here.

btw yall do realize when yall say Cavs "fans", yall mean Lebron fans who hate the Cavs now.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]For a DWade/Mavs fan, you do a lot of thinking about Cleveland.

And, actually -- although I don't agree with the drafting of TT and trading Hickson for nothing -- I do think that the FO has done a pretty good job in the last year. We essentially bought the No. 1 pick in the draft and got rid of some dead weight.[/QUOTE]

I spend time thinking about basketball. Over the last year? Yea, I actually do like what the Cavs have done.

I was talking about the previous 7. I don't like their draft this year, but its a crap shoot anyway with level of talent of this years' class.

The only thing I ever had against the Cavs/fans is when people tried to act like the team did a great job building the team around Lebron. I thought they did a crap job.

Just like I think the Mavs did a pretty crap job building around Dirk for a good 7 year stretch.

season hasnt even started and cavs are already tanking for that first pick in 2012

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I spend time thinking about basketball. Over the last year? Yea, I actually do like what the Cavs have done.

I was talking about the previous 7. I don't like their draft this year, but its a crap shoot anyway with level of talent of this years' class.

The only thing I ever had against the Cavs/fans is when people tried to act like the team did a great job building the team around Lebron. I thought they did a crap job.

Just like I think the Mavs did a pretty crap job building around Dirk for a good 7 year stretch.[/QUOTE]
I don't think James was ever the player that I thought he was, so I'm glad he left and I can now hope for him to fail... The more I've thought about it since his latest collapse, he wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland unless we simply overwhelmed the league with talent (which is what Miami is trying to do) and the Cavs were never going to be in a position to do that.

He saved us a lot of heartbreak by taking off.

We may not win a title in the coming years, but at least the expectations won't be there to do so, followed by a huge letdown.

[QUOTE=alenleomessi]season hasnt even started and cavs are already tanking for that first pick in 2012[/QUOTE]
If that is really the mindset, I'm with it. That is how you rebuild a team, not by being painfully mediocre every year and hoping that a mid-round pick or a move in free agency pushes you over the top.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I don't think James was ever the player that I thought he was, so I'm glad he left and I can now hope for him to fail... The more I've thought about it since his latest collapse, he wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland unless we simply overwhelmed the league with talent (which is what Miami is trying to do) and the Cavs were never going to be in a position to do that.

He saved us a lot of heartbreak by taking off.

We may not win a title in the coming years, but at least the expectations won't be there to do so, followed by a huge letdown.[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :lol :oldlol: :roll: :applause: ...BURN