[QUOTE=catch24]Saying Kobe's jumpshot is on another level than LeBron's is worth me being on your ignore list?[/QUOTE]
Seriously ...
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[QUOTE=catch24]Saying Kobe's jumpshot is on another level than LeBron's is worth me being on your ignore list?[/QUOTE]
Seriously ...
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[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Seriously ...
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These groupies get more and more p*ssy hurt each day that goes by since LeBron played hooky in the Finals.
[QUOTE=catch24]Saying Kobe's jumpshot is on another level than LeBron's is worth me being on your ignore list?[/QUOTE]
Well, it certainly makes you look pathetically ignorant.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Man, thank God for the ignore list. It's the only way to keep this board even kinda tolerable.[/QUOTE]
Are u fvcking kidding me Stanley:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Well, it certainly makes you look pathetically ignorant.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no it doesn't. Not including this season (since he was coming off knee surgery/battling injuries all-together), Kobe's jumpshot has always been better than LeBron's. [I]Way[/I] better in fact.
[QUOTE=catch24]Uh, no it doesn't. Not including this season (since he was coming off knee surgery/battling injuries all-together), Kobe's jumpshot has always been better than LeBron's. [I]Way[/I] better in fact.[/QUOTE]
Yup. I don't how people can even deny it. Even this season, Kobe was a better jump-shooter.
Lebron is a stronger and better finisher than Kobe. See Lebron stans, I'm a Kobe fan and I can admit what Lebron is better at. You guys should do the same.
[QUOTE=catch24]Uh, no it doesn't.[/quote]
It does. LeBron was a better jump shooter than Kobe in 10-11. FACT.
[quote]Not including this season (since he was coming off knee surgery/battling injuries all-together)[/quote]
Not buying the excuse, but either way, you should have at least specified this in your post then.
btw, Kobe will be coming off another knee surgery next season, so if he doesn't shoot as well as LeBron, will this be the excuse again? You should know that Kobe hasn't shot better than 10-11 LeBron from 16-23 feet for at least 5 seasons now.
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant[/url]
Am I missing something here? From [I]10-15 FT[/I], Kobe has always been better. From [I]16-23 FT[/I] LeBron has showed signs and likely will improve. As a body though? Given the volume (hell not even factoring Freethrow percentages), Kobe is a much better shooter than LeBron and always will be.
lol at this even being debated
But yes Indian Guy, if Kobe is healthy and both him and LeBron have similar volumes from mid-to-longrange next year, and LeBron ends up shooting better, I'll be the first to admit he's a better shooter... During their peak/primes though? Not even close.
Lol at the Stanleys bringing up those bs stats.
Kobe, melo, durant, dirk would kill for those open jumpers lebrick gets.
He gets the rondo treatment on those jumpers
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/ImadoggyDogg#p/a/u/0/oA2Vjo4hPXg[/url]
Don't you dare take the name White Mamba from the real White Mamba.
Btw kurosawa is the one that said in another thread that lebron was a top 5 shooter in the nba and a comparible shooter to dirk.
Some other stan said he was a better shooter than durant
Is it Kobe vs LeBron yet? lol
Dunk was ok but come on yall....he's 6'6 with stupid long arms and stays in shape. He's supposed to do stuff like this.
[QUOTE=catch24]
But yes Indian Guy, if Kobe is healthy and both him and LeBron have the similar volumes from mid-to-longrange next year[/quote]
10-11 LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe, thus rendering your original statement completely incorrect.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]10-11 LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe, thus rendering your original statement completely incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Not really. When you factor in FT shooting and shots from 10-15 FT (volume has to be put into context), LeBron really hasn't.
Sorry, you lose again.
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[QUOTE=macpierce]this idiot should of gotten his finger fixed........his shooting has gone down hill sigh
at least this summer he gets a chance to strengthen his knee so he can actually practice lol[/QUOTE]
His fingers haven't really hindered his shot. I do believe his 3 point shooting percentage has gone down, though. It'd be nice if Kobe just took threes completely out of his game.
His injuries have noticeably affected his ball handling. It's quite sad. I'd say he's an average ball handler at best these days. At one point it was what separated himself from guys like Vince Carter (that is, before Kobe became a more well rounded player and Vince fell off a cliff).
Here's the thing, neither are great shooters. Kobe isn't Ray Allen and LeBron isn't Chris Mullin. They're both very streak and prone to jacking up a lot of bricks. I honestly think they're about equal right now, with maybe the edge going to LeBron as it seems like he can dominate from the three more than Kobe.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Here's the thing, neither are great shooters. Kobe isn't Ray Allen and LeBron isn't Chris Mullin. They're both very streak and prone to jacking up a lot of bricks. I honestly think they're about equal right now, with maybe the edge going to LeBron as it seems like he can dominate from the three more than Kobe.[/QUOTE]
How do you figure when Kobe shoots about 7% better from midrange, and the FT line, while LeBron has Kobe beat from 16-23 FT by 5%?
just because he can do a wide open 360 doesnt mean crap. Hes not 40 idk why your all surprised.
did one of those idiots really say prime Kobe wasnt a great shooter :roll: :roll: :roll:
this shit is GOLD
That dunk didn't impress me at all.
If you want to show off Kobe's athleticism, then show that video where he destroys Okafor. I still can't believe he had that in him.
[QUOTE=catch24]Not really. When you factor in FT shooting and shots from 10-15 FT (volume has to be put into context), LeBron really hasn't.[/quote]
10-11 LeBron shot 45% from 10-15 feet to Kobe's 48% the last 5 seasons. Minor difference. Compare that to the 5% edge 10-11 LeBron has from 16-23 feet over Kobe the last 5 seasons.
10-11 LeBron compares VERY WELL against all version of Kobe jump-shot wise. It's completely stupid to say Kobe's on a different level anymore. He may have been before, but LeBron's made major inroads over the last year or so. That's how he survived in 10-11.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]His fingers haven't really hindered his shot. I do believe his 3 point shooting percentage has gone down, though. It'd be nice if Kobe just took threes completely out of his game.
His injuries have noticeably affected his ball handling. It's quite sad. I'd say he's an average ball handler at best these days. At one point it was what separated himself from guys like Vince Carter (that is, before Kobe became a more well rounded player and Vince fell off a cliff).[/QUOTE]
Agreed. He can't take threes out of his game because the Lakers don't have anyone else to get threes off consistently. They also have a ton of post players. In a perfect world Kobe would've moved to the wing and post last year and stayed.
Instead he had to spend it out on the perimeter, trying to playmake and get into the lane for the team when he doesn't have the body for that anymore.
I don't think his finger does that much either judging from his shooting in the '10 playoffs. I think it was his legs, knees, and ankles that contributed to his relatively poor 3 point shooting.
[QUOTE=catch24]How do you figure when Kobe shoots about 7% better from midrange, and the FT line, while LeBron has Kobe beat from 16-23 FT by a few percentages?[/QUOTE]
This is where stats get a little ridiculous. 7 percent? Really? Watch the games. At no point do I watch Kobe and think "Man, what a great shooter." The same goes for LeBron. Both are prone to take really bad shots and put up a lot of misses. There's not a lot of difference. It's like asking which player is better at getting assists Russell Westbrook or Derrick Rose?
[QUOTE=Indian guy]10-11 LeBron shot 45% from 10-15 feet to Kobe's 48% the last 5 seasons.
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On what volume? If LeBron takes 1 shot from there then yeah, its a big difference.
[QUOTE=KenneBell]On what volume? If LeBron takes 1 shot from there then yeah, its a big difference.[/QUOTE]
LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3. Neither shoots much from that range.
[QUOTE=KenneBell]Agreed. He can't take threes out of his game because the Lakers don't have anyone else to get threes off consistently. They also have a ton of post players. In a perfect world Kobe would've moved to the wing and post last year and stayed.
Instead he had to spend it out on the perimeter, trying to playmake and get into the lane for the team when he doesn't have the body for that anymore.
I don't think his finger does that much either judging from his shooting in the '10 playoffs. I think it was his legs, knees, and ankles that contributed to his relatively poor 3 point shooting.[/QUOTE]
Kobe takes a lot of bad threes that aren't in the context of the offense and are either off balance or heavily guarded. I have no problem with him taking threes to extend the defense if the opportunity presents itself.
Yeah, despite all the hype around his ankle injury I think that drastically affected his play, and is also why he was so mellow after the Lakers got eliminated. He didn't drive to the hoop at all after sustaining the injury.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3. Neither shoots much from that range.[/QUOTE]
Had to check for myself. Among perimeter players, no one took more mid range shots than Kobe, he was only behind Dirk and Elton brand and at 52% he shot better than anyone with any regular volume of those shots...
[QUOTE=Indian guy]10-11 LeBron shot 45% from 10-15 feet to Kobe's 48% the last 5 seasons. Minor difference. Compare that to the 5% edge 10-11 LeBron has from 16-23 feet over Kobe the last 5 seasons.
10-11 LeBron compares VERY WELL against all version of Kobe jump-shot wise. It's completely stupid to say Kobe's on a different level anymore. He may have been before, but LeBron's made major inroads over the last year or so. That's how he survived in 10-11.[/QUOTE]
That's not a minor difference when Kobe, on average, has shot 3-4 attempts from 10-15 to LeBron's 1.
[I]LeBron from 16-23 FT[/I]:
10: 40%
09: 40%
08: 37%
07: 34%
[I]Kobe from 16-23 FT[/I]
10: 41%
09: 42%
08: 38%
07: 42%
Again, what stats are you looking at? You have got to be completely clueless to think LeBron is in Kobe's league when it pertains to shooting. Kobe beats him comfortably in FT, mid range, and long range shooting, [I]combined[/I], for their careers.
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant[/url]
[QUOTE=Indian guy]LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3. Neither shoots much from that range.[/QUOTE]
That's a significant difference actually. That's like Bird attempting 2/3PA to Millers 0.5...
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]This is where stats get a little ridiculous. 7 percent? Really? Watch the games. At no point do I watch Kobe and think "Man, what a great shooter." The same goes for LeBron. Both are prone to take really bad shots and put up a lot of misses. There's not a lot of difference. It's like asking which player is better at getting assists Russell Westbrook or Derrick Rose?[/QUOTE]
Yes, 7 % difference, really. I do watch the games, the stats back up what I see.
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant[/url]
Educate yourself.
[QUOTE=catch24]That's not a minor difference when Kobe, on average, has shot 3-4 attempts from 10-15 to LeBron's 1.[/quote]
1.5 to Kobe's 3.
[quote]Again, what stats are you looking at? You have got to be completely clueless to think LeBron is in Kobe's league when it pertains to shooting.[/quote]
Are you not reading my posts? I said [b]10-11[/b] LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe jump-shot wise, and was in fact better this past season. Thus rendering your first statement completely untrue.
[QUOTE=catch24]Educate yourself.[/QUOTE]
I knew I was right to want you on ignore.
that Asian dude has everybody on ignore. Delusional as fvck
[QUOTE=Indian guy]1.5 to Kobe's 3.[/quote]
Significant.
[quote]Are you not reading my posts? I said [b]10-11[/b] LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe jump-shot wise, and was in fact better this past season. Thus rendering your first statement completely untrue.[/QUOTE]
Right, this season... where Kobe was injured... That was my original point.
On average (going by what the data says since 2007); however, Kobe has attempted 7 FGA from 16-23 FT and made 40% of them; LeBron has attempted 5 FGA from 16-23 FT and made 39% of them.
lol at the lebron stans in this thread. you have to be really delusional to think lebron is in kobe's league shooting wise. as someone already stated in this thread, lebron gets the rondo treatment. teams want him to shoot, they dare him. kobe gets doubled on the perimeter constantly. just about all his perimeter shots are with a hand in his face and still shoots a better percentage. context... also, how anyone can say lebron is a good shooter is beyond me. just look at lebron's form, it's nasty.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]I knew I was right to want you on ignore.[/QUOTE]
Nice rebuttal, troll.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]
Are you not reading my posts? I said [b]10-11[/b] LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe jump-shot wise, and was in fact better this past season. Thus rendering your first statement completely untrue.[/QUOTE]
From 16-23 FT you may have a leg to stand on, but from 10-15 FT and the FT line, LeBron simply isn't in Kobe's league.
Try again.
when you factor in the different way they are defended on jumpers and the volume..... this convo is a joke.
[QUOTE=catch24]Significant.[/quote]
Not really. Both barely attempt any shots from that 10-15 foot range.
[quote]Right, this season... where Kobe was injured... That was my original point.[/quote]
Except nobody's comparing 10-11 LeBron to 10-11 Kobe only. I'm comparing current LeBron's jumper to all 5 seasons of Kobe that are recorded on hoopdata, and LeBron stands up very well. That's the POINT - that Kobe's no longer "on a different level" and was IN FACT worse this past season.
[quote]On average[/quote]
That's no what you said though. You said Kobe's on a different level point-blank, indicating that's true TODAY, expect it isn't at all. Current LeBron compares well against any version of Kobe jump-shot wise.