Jared Sullinger measures 6'10" in shoes with a 7'1" wingspan.

[quote=Grinder]I don't quite understand either. They place too much emphasis on these things which leads to guys like Saer Sene getting drafted in the lottery while guys like Carl Landry and Paul Millsap routinely drop into the 2nd round.

Just this year, Nikola Vucevic went from a fringe 1st round pick to a mid first rounder pretty much based on the fact that he's a legit 7 footer with a big wingspan. It's not like skillset suddenly changed, yet that 1-2" difference in measurement is enough to boost him 15 spots in the draft. :wtf:[/quote]Completely disagree on Vucevic. Maybe his size had something to do with it, but his actual skill level had a lot more importance. Same kinda deal as Favors a couple years ago, very good player whose stats aren't too impressive because the guards on his team were chuckers that had no idea what an entry pass was. Neither coach helped either. I'm a big Vucevic believer, he could/should be a legitimate starting NBA 5 some day.

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Lemme guess you retards think that Duncan is the greatest PF of all time right?

Amare is a great center right

So is Al Jefferson?

:roll:[/QUOTE]

What are you even talkin about? The point is Sullinger is labelled an undersized fat kid who will have trouble playing 4. If he is 6'10 in shoes given hs wingspan at that? He's not so undersized to play the 4 and in fact could play some 5. My point with amare is he played Center as did brand. Are they ideal? Ate they legit centers? No. But in the NBA guys can play more than one position if the case calls for it. That's all that is said. Sullinger measures better than people think = point of the thread.

We are not doin calculus here

[QUOTE=GOBB]Where they considered undersized like sullinger?[/QUOTE]

See here shows how incapable you are of following logical thought. The point here is that Sullinger IS undersized to play center. Allow me to explain things to you as simply as I can.

- OP comes in saying Sullinger is not undersized. Posts his height in shoes and weight.

- Other posters state that height in shoes measurement is misleading and he is indeed undersized. Posts similar players like Kevin Love as an example

- More debate on how size in shoes is misleading for many players.

-Girl posts that if Lebron and Durant and Bynum were listed as their height in shoes, they'd look like beasts who are definite centers. Got hated on by dumb haters.

- Fool claims that Amare and Elton Brand are legit centers and are the same size as Sullinger so Sullinger is not undersized, totally missing the point that the guys he is using are all undersized.

- Poster states that 6'10 in shoes is nothing to shout about as many SFs are that height and many old great centers greatly surpass that height.

- Fool asks whether those guys are undersized, completely missing the point that the real centers listed are really big and Sullinger is undersized when compared to a real center.


Are you capable of following the discussion now? :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=GOBB]What are you even talkin about? The point is Sullinger is labelled an undersized fat kid who will have trouble playing 4. If he is 6'10 in shoes given hs wingspan at that? He's not so undersized to play the 4 and in fact could play some 5. My point with amare is he played Center as did brand. Are they ideal? Ate they legit centers? No. But in the NBA guys can play more than one position if the case calls for it. That's all that is said. Sullinger measures better than people think = point of the thread.

We are not doin calculus here[/QUOTE]


Amen. Sounds like a kid who can't comprehend the point of the thread. I never said he's a legit center, I said he has the size to and could play it if need be. :lol


[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Completely disagree on Vucevic. Maybe his size had something to do with it, but his actual skill level had a lot more importance. Same kinda deal as Favors a couple years ago, very good player whose stats aren't too impressive because the guards on his team were chuckers that had no idea what an entry pass was. Neither coach helped either. I'm a big Vucevic believer, he could/should be a legitimate starting NBA 5 some day.[/QUOTE]

He's always been effective and productive at USC but it seems like his draft stock really took off after his measurements were favorable compared to Enes Kanter. I've always thought on skill set alone that he could be a first rounder but he was overlooked in draft discussions until only a month or so before the draft. I was pretty adamant up to the draft that the Sixers should take Vucevic and I'm glad we did. I'm worried about his ability to defend some of the more athletic 5s though.

We'll see him against some really good centers in Eurobasket coming up.

[QUOTE=GOBB]What are you even talkin about? The point is Sullinger is labelled an undersized fat kid who will have trouble playing 4. If he is 6'10 in shoes given hs wingspan at that? He's not so undersized to play the 4 and in fact could play some 5. My point with amare is he played Center as did brand. Are they ideal? Ate they legit centers? No. But in the NBA guys can play more than one position if the case calls for it. That's all that is said. Sullinger measures better than people think = point of the thread.

We are not doin calculus here[/QUOTE]

Looks like this is as complicated as calculus to you, even when it is so simple.

The point of this thread is stating that Sullinger IS an undersized fat kid. Playing him at center will be a disaster. Your point that Amare and Brand played center is totally irrelevant as those guys are too undersized to play center. Sure Sullinger could play center if the case calls for it, but so can Chuck Hayes. But should he be playing center? No!

[QUOTE=Grinder]Amen. Sounds like a kid who can't comprehend the point of the thread. I never said he's a legit center, I said he has the size to and could play it if need be. :lol
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Fool agreeing with a fool lol :roll:

How can you call anyone a fool when you said Lebron was 6'10 with shoes? :oldlol:

And Sullinger playing Center would be about as much of a disaster as Spencer Hawes. Go chew on that idiot.

Last I checked this league is weak at Center. If I asked you to rank the top 20 Centers you would need google and askjeeves to help you.

why are people getting so excited over eddy curry clone?

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]This dude will dominate. [B]I just hope he gets a nasty post game[/B]. We finally will have some talent at the C spot with him, Cousinz and Hibbert developing.[/QUOTE]


His post game is already his strong point...

-Smak

[QUOTE=GOBB]How can you call anyone a fool when you said Lebron was 6'10 with shoes? :oldlol:

And Sullinger playing Center would be about as much of a disaster as Spencer Hawes. Go chew on that idiot.

Last I checked this league is weak at Center. If I asked you to rank the top 20 Centers you would need google and askjeeves to help you.[/QUOTE]

Obviously the Lebron is 6'10 in shoes is a play on how stupid you guys are with your comments. LEbron is 6'9 in shoes anyway so it's not that far off. I was using a popular player as an example.

Spencer Hawes is listed as 7'1. Your idol is only 6'10 in shoes. Ha!

Yes the league is weak at center so Amare and Brand can get away playing C in a few games. But having them at center shows how weak your team is and you will never win with them playing center at the playoffs.

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Obviously the Lebron is 6'10 in shoes is a play on how stupid you guys are with your comments. LEbron is 6'9 in shoes anyway so it's not that far off. I was using a popular player as an example.

Spencer Hawes is listed as 7'1. Your idol is only 6'10 in shoes. Ha!

Yes the league is weak at center so Amare and Brand can get away playing C in a few games. But having them at center shows how weak your team is and you will never win with them playing center at the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
no Lebron is not 6'9 in shoes [url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LeBron-James-2967/[/url]

standing reach is most important

[QUOTE=Ikill]no Lebron is not 6'9 in shoes [url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LeBron-James-2967/[/url][/QUOTE]

Old. Measurement taken when Lebron was 17. He has grown an inch since then.

Lebron himself has stated he is 6'9 in shoes several times.

Unless you are happy telling everyone here LEbron is actually 6'7?

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Old. Measurement taken when Lebron was 17. He has grown an inch since then.

Lebron himself has stated he is 6'9 in shoes several times.

[B]Unless you are happy telling everyone here LEbron is actually 6'7?[/B][/QUOTE]
Wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising considering the way the NBA plays with guys' heights. But even draft express him taller than 6'7", so there's that. I'd bet hes just under 6'8" in his bare feet.

[QUOTE=Scoooter]Wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising considering the way the NBA plays with guys' heights. But even draft express him taller than 6'7", so there's that. I'd bet hes just under 6'8" in his bare feet.[/QUOTE]

I'll see how well it goes down if you go around telling people Lebron is 6'7 rounded down slightly ha. I'll take up whatever you are willing to bet that Lebron is 6'8 barefoot and 6'9 in shoes.

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]I'll see how well it goes down if you go around telling people Lebron is 6'7 rounded down slightly ha. I'll take up whatever you are willing to bet that Lebron is 6'8 barefoot and 6'9 in shoes.[/QUOTE]
At best, we're talking about a quarter inch difference. I'd say something like 6'7 & 3/4". Not that it really matters at all.

[QUOTE=Scoooter]At best, we're talking about a quarter inch difference. I'd say something like 6'7 & 3/4". Not that it really matters at all.[/QUOTE]

Time for USAns to use the metric system.

6'7.25 at age 17, probably 6'8+ at 21. Not unreasonable.

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Time for USAns to use the metric system.

6'7.25 at age 17, probably 6'8+ at 21. Not unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
What's this [I]probably[/I] bullshit? There's no probably about it. It wouldn't be unreasonable if he hadn't grown at all. I was like, almost 6'1" when I was 15. Guess how tall I am now? The exact same. ****ing non-NBA genes. :mad:

[QUOTE=Scoooter]What's this [I]probably[/I] bullshit? There's no probably about it. It wouldn't be unreasonable if he hadn't grown at all. I was like, almost 6'1" when I was 15. Guess how tall I am now? The exact same. ****ing non-NBA genes. :mad:[/QUOTE]

Bismarck Biyombo grew 0.56 inches after he was previously measured at 6'7 3/4" without shoes in the Nike Hoop Summit. His Official height without shoes is 6'8.31". His late growth spurt proves that he's also telling his real age.

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/[/url]

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Christian Eyenga grew 0.56 inches after he was previously measured at 6'7 3/4" without shoes in the Nike Hoop Summit. His Official height without shoes is 6'8.31".

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/[/url][/QUOTE]
You linked to the draftexpress.com profile of Bismack Byombo, who I assume you were talking about. Skyenga, who plays for the Cavs, I think is only, like, 6'5".

Besides, half an inch in the corrupt and unreliable world of NBA prospect height measurement? You can't be that accurate and take that shit seriously. Who knows what the **** is going on out there. 6'10" Michael Beasely turned out to actually be 6'7" and change. Define "official". It's all bullshit.

Shoes + Socks + Even more pairs of socks = Padded height

I think they really should measure them with AND without shoes.

[QUOTE=NotYetGreat]Shoes + Socks + Even more pairs of socks = Padded height

I think they really should measure them with AND without shoes.[/QUOTE]
Or just without shoes. The "in shoes" measurement is worthless.

[QUOTE=NotYetGreat]Shoes + Socks + Even more pairs of socks = Padded height

I think they really should measure them with AND without shoes.[/QUOTE]

QUOTE=Scoooter]Or just without shoes. The "in shoes" measurement is worthless.[/QUOTE]


Just like in the PBA, but they are finally listing their players height without shoes in their official website. It looks kinda weird.

[url]http://www.pba.ph/teams/player/359[/url]

[url]http://www.pba.ph/teams/player/271[/url]

The only weird part is a Filipino guy being 6'6". What the **** were they feeding that mutant?

[QUOTE=Scoooter]The only weird part is a Filipino guy being 6'6". What the **** were they feeding that mutant?[/QUOTE]


Most of the tall players here are Half American or Fil-Foreign Players. Jay-R Reyes is a natural born Filipino player. His parents are probably tall. I think the average height of PBA Players is 6'3". The tallest player is Aguilar at 6'8", and Greg Slaughter 6'11". ( Played in the Invitational tournament)

I went to college with a few Filipino guys. One guy in my dorm sophomore year was 5'2" on a good day. Biggest calves I've ever seen though. Went to the gym all the time. I bet he could squat, like, 300+ lbs.

[QUOTE=Scoooter]You linked to the draftexpress.com profile of Bismack Byombo, who I assume you were talking about. Skyenga, who plays for the Cavs, I think is only, like, 6'5".

Besides, half an inch in the corrupt and unreliable world of NBA prospect height measurement? You can't be that accurate and take that shit seriously. Who knows what the **** is going on out there. 6'10" Michael Beasely turned out to actually be 6'7" and change. Define "official". It's all bullshit.[/QUOTE]
The 6'10 was a bullshit measurement, 6'7 was the official pre-draft measurement.

[QUOTE=Scoooter]What's this [I]probably[/I] bullshit? There's no probably about it. It wouldn't be unreasonable if he hadn't grown at all. I was like, almost 6'1" when I was 15. Guess how tall I am now? The exact same. ****ing non-NBA genes. :mad:[/QUOTE]

Lebron said himself he is 6'9 in shoes, so let's give him the benefit of doubt hmm? Even though he is a proven lying scumbag. So yes it is very reasonable that he grew an inch since 17 years old.

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Old. Measurement taken when Lebron was 17. He has grown an inch since then.

Lebron himself has stated he is 6'9 in shoes several times.

Unless you are happy telling everyone here LEbron is actually 6'7?[/QUOTE]
He was 18 and no Lebron did not grow. Yes people do grow after 18 but Lebron is not one of them dude was looking way too old.

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Lebron said himself he is 6'9 in shoes, so let's give him the benefit of doubt hmm?[/quote]
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[quote]Even though he is a proven lying scumbag. So yes it is very reasonable that he grew an inch since 17 years old.[/QUOTE]
:wtf:

Pinkhearts, you need to try and make a somewhat graceful exit from this thread. It was a complete nonstarter for you.

Love this guy's game. Reminds me of right-handed Zach Randolp............gms fear is he'll be Mike Sweetney 2.0

He'd be a better fit at the 4. Let him bang against smaller players.

[QUOTE=Swaggin916]He'd be a better fit at the 4. Let him bang against smaller players.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is advocating he would be a better, or even good fit at the five spot, just that he could handle himself there in a pinch. I disagree, because I think he'll turn out smaller when better measurements come in, but the informed consensus seems to be that he's a power forward, undersized or not.

Regardless of what his actual measurements are, the kid uses his body extremely well. His feet are stellar for a player his age and while he's obviously not gonna be swatting shots into the rafters he knows how to get into a guy legally and effect his shot on defense. He's absolutely a + level starting NBA 4.

[QUOTE=Scoooter]...

:wtf:

Pinkhearts, you need to try and make a somewhat graceful exit from this thread. It was a complete nonstarter for you.[/QUOTE]

Well you haven't even made an entrance. LOL at you retards. Lebron himself said he was 6'9. Should I believe you guys know his growth better than the man himself?

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Well you haven't even made an entrance. LOL at you retards. Lebron himself said he was 6'9. Should I believe you guys know his growth better than the man himself?[/QUOTE]
Lebron is easily 6'9 in shoes - there's not much to discuss here really. He is the same height as Carlos Boozer for pete's sake

Homo mode activated

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Eddy Curry my ass

[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Well you haven't even made an entrance. LOL at you retards. [B]Lebron himself said he was 6'9.[/B] Should I believe you guys know his growth better than the man himself?[/QUOTE]
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[quote=Pinkhearts][B]Even though he is a proven lying scumbag.[/B] So yes it is very reasonable that he grew an inch since 17 years old.[/quote]
:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Homo mode activated

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Eddy Curry my ass[/QUOTE]
Would you want him on the Pacers? Next year's draft class could be completely loaded.

[quote=Scoooter]Would you want him on the Pacers? Next year's draft class could be completely loaded.[/quote]There's obviously guys I'd want more, a longer armed guy (regardless of these IMO bullshit measurements) that's a strong at the rim defensive presence, Thomas Robinson's a guy I'm hoping'll be there in the Pacers range (15-18 I hope). But I certainly wouldn't complain if Sullinger wound up here.