Lebron has been working out with Hakeem

[QUOTE=TAC602]I disagree.

Bryant's post game was borderline unstoppable the first few months of the 2009-10 season after having worked with Olajuwon that September. The ankle and knee issues he had over the second half really threw him off.[/QUOTE]Kobe always had an excellent post game; long before meeting Hakeem. He just went to the post more often in the beginning of the 2009-2010 season because Pau was injured. After Pau came back, Kobe played mostly in the perimeter.

Kobe only had a 2 hour session with Hakeem to take a look at the dream shake; nothing more.

[QUOTE=G-train]:roll: :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Keep believing those myths. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=kaiiu]adding a post game before a jumpshot. Thats like running before u crawl[/QUOTE]
What are you stupid? LeBron has already improved his jump shoot vastly over the course of his career. He has a very good, if somewhat erratic jumpshot.

[QUOTE=ThaSwagg3r]Kobe already had a very good post game before 2009-2010 so I don't get your point.


[B][B]All Hakeem did was talk to Yao, iirc. He just helped him on the mental aspect. He didn't teach him many moves because of Yao's limited mobility and athleticism.
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Both of you guys just gave me players that were already great post players before working with Hakeem.[/QUOTE]

yep this is RocketGreatness

and what about Dwight Howard? His post game was horrible before he worked out with Keem.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]Keep believing those myths. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Kobe himself has said he imitates Jordan. Nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't make Kobe any less of a player. It's just the way it is.

[QUOTE=G-train]Yet Bryant's whole game and persona is a copy :roll:[/QUOTE]
ETHER.:roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3]What are you stupid? LeBron has already improved his jump shoot vastly over the course of his career.[B] He has a very good[/B], if somewhat erratic jumpshot.[/QUOTE]
good shooters dont shoot 60 % free throws. Sorry.

[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]yep this is RocketGreatness

and what about Dwight Howard? His post game was horrible before he worked out with Keem.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say every player who has worked with Hakeem failed to improve, I am just saying there is no guarantee.

So lets see, Josh Smith, Emeka Okafor, and Dwight Howard have worked with Hakeem. Dwight Howard is the only player that has improved working out with Hakeem.

He's 1/3.... I don't count Kobe and Yao because they were already good post players before working out and talking with Hakeem. Dwight Howard is the only player that went from mediocre/average to great in the post after working with Hakeem.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kobe himself has said he imitates Jordan. Nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't make Kobe any less of a player. It's just the way it is.[/QUOTE]
Well, he really doesn't.Their games and style aren't really close. It's not the way it is at all. Deal with it. :pimp:

[QUOTE=ThaSwagg3r]Kobe already had a very good post game before 2009-2010 so I don't get your point.


All Hakeem did was talk to Yao, iirc. He just helped him on the mental aspect. He didn't teach him many moves because of Yao's limited mobility and athleticism.


Both of you guys just gave me players that were already great post players before working with Hakeem.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, very good isn't borderline unstoppable. Kobe was well on his way to an MVP type year prior to those injuries and it was partly due to an even better post-game and this was when his decline in athleticism was already in full swing. I'm not saying Olajuwon made him what he already was (the most skilled player in the league) only that I observed him being even better in the post. If you don't care to believe it, that's alright with me.

I do have to wonder though.. are you skeptical of Olajuwon's lessons or worried that Lebron might improve seeing as though you needed to make a thread telling everybody why Wade is better than him?

I don't why Lebron stans are jizzing their pants over this. Oh wow, a professional athlete is practicing the sport he plays for a living, how awesome.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]good shooters dont shoot 60 % free throws. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
Because a free throw is definitely a jump shot :facepalm. LeBron shoots 75% on free throws anyways, which is nothing spectacular, but not bad either. I would say LeBron is an erratic FT shooter because he can be great at times (like when he made 32 in a row agains the Bulls) and terrible at others. Overall, he's solid, but you'd obviously like to see him get better.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]Well, he really doesn't.Their games and style aren't really close. It's not the way it is at all. Deal with it. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a bad thing, man. I think Kobe is smart to imitate the GOAT, because he has a similar skillset.

Oh Oh Barea is in deep s*** now. :lol

[QUOTE=Heavincent]I don't why Lebron stans are jizzing their pants over this. Oh wow, a professional athlete is practicing the sport he plays for a living, how awesome.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm How come LeBron fans aren't allowed to be excited over random things, but if Kobe dunks in the phillipines, we all have to respect him or we're "haters"? Illogical :no:

[QUOTE=Phong]Kobe always had an excellent post game; long before meeting Hakeem. He just went to the post more often in the beginning of the 2009-2010 season because Pau was injured. After Pau came back, Kobe played mostly in the perimeter.

Kobe only had a 2 hour session with Hakeem to take a look at the dream shake; nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much.

[QUOTE=TAC602]
I do have to wonder though.. are you skeptical of Olajuwon's lessons or worried that Lebron might improve seeing as though you needed to make a thread telling everybody why Wade is better than him?[/QUOTE]
All I said was there is no guarantee that Hakeem turns mediocre post players into great post players. That is the only point I am trying to make. He didn't make Josh Smith nor Emeka Okafor into great post players like he turned Dwight Howard into.

People also need to give Dwight Howard more credit himself for practicing on post moves. JVG said the same thing in one of the regular season games last season. He only worked with Hakeem for a few hours and maybe a few days yet nobody is giving Dwight Howard for working on his post moves but giving credit to Hakeem for teaching him instead.

It takes longer than a few hours and a few days to become a great post player...

Lebron will still needs to continue working on his post game even after his lessons with Hakeem. Few hours aren't going to turn you into a great post player.

[QUOTE=RRR3]:facepalm How come LeBron fans aren't allowed to be excited over random things, but if Kobe dunks in the phillipines, we all have to respect him or we're "haters"? Illogical :no:[/QUOTE]

I didn't get very exited about that either. I said "oh that was kinda cool" or something along those lines.

[QUOTE=RRR3]I don't think it's a bad thing, man. I think Kobe is smart to imitate the GOAT, because he has a similar skillset.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter what you think. It's still a myth. They're games and style aren't really similar at all.

LeDream :eek:

:bowdown:

[QUOTE=ThaSwagg3r]Pretty much.


All I said was there is no guarantee that Hakeem turns mediocre post players into great post players. That is the only point I am trying to make. He didn't make Josh Smith nor Emeka Okafor into great post players like he turned Dwight Howard into.

People also need to give Dwight Howard more credit himself for practicing on post moves. JVG said the same thing in one of the regular season games last season. He only worked with Hakeem for a few hours and maybe a few days yet nobody is giving Dwight Howard for working on his post moves but giving credit to Hakeem for teaching him instead.

It takes longer than a few hours and a few days to become a great post player...

Lebron will still needs to continue working on his post game even after his lessons with Hakeem. Few hours aren't going to turn you into a great post player.[/QUOTE]

Excellent response, now we're on the same page. Obviously Howard utilized it beyond a few hours worth of lessons and deserves credit for it. Whether Lebron will... I guess we'll find out.

[quote=Jacks3]It doesn't matter what you think. It's still a myth. They're games and style aren't really similar at all.[/quote]

It's no myth. Kobe has tried to imitate how he talks, moves, shoots.
They have almost identical game styles, except Kobe isn't as athletic and does not have the same level of body control. Kobe shoots more long jumpers, that's about it. Wouldn't surprise me that he did it to say "I can do everything Jordan did plus make a tonne of threes". Then there is the number change. Dude is always thinking about Jordan.

LeBron pulling a Kobe now?

Watch out league!

[QUOTE=G-train]It's no myth. Kobe has tried to imitate how he talks, moves, shoots.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE]They have almost identical game styles, except Kobe isn't as athletic and does not have the same level of body control. Kobe shoots more long jumpers, that's about it. Wouldn't surprise me that he did it to say "I can do everything Jordan did plus make a tonne of threes". Then there is the number change. Dude is always thinking about Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Kobe is a much better ball-handler, he's much more of a shooter than a slasher (unlike MJ), takes a lot more threes, and doesn't play anywhere near as much off the ball. His game and style is a lot closer to prime T-Mac than it is Jordan.

Deal with it. :pimp:

[QUOTE=G-train]It's no myth. Kobe has tried to imitate how he talks, moves, shoots.
They have almost identical game styles, except Kobe isn't as athletic and does not have the same level of body control. Kobe shoots more long jumpers, that's about it. Wouldn't surprise me that he did it to say "I can do everything Jordan did plus make a tonne of threes". Then there is the number change. Dude is always thinking about Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with that. It has obviously worked for him considering he's a top 10 player of all time.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:oldlol:

Nope. Kobe is a much better ball-handler, he's much more of a shooter than a slasher (unlike MJ), takes a lot more threes, and doesn't play anywhere near as much off the ball. His game and style is a lot closer to prime [B]T-Mac[/B] than it is Jordan.

Deal with it. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
:D :cheers:

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Nothing wrong with that. It has obviously worked for him considering he's a[B] top 10 player of all time[/B].[/QUOTE]
Debatable.

[quote=Heavincent]Nothing wrong with that. It has obviously worked for him considering he's a top 10 player of all time.[/quote]

Did I say there was anything wrong with it? NO.
So sit down and shup up n00b.

I only brought it up because a kobe stan took a shot at Lebron for copying Kobe, then denied that Kobe copied anyone.

The reality is Lebron copied no one. He simply seeked the teaching of Hakeem, which a number of players have done.

To all: Where does the word "stan" come from? I know it means a biased fan, but I don't know where the terminology comes from.

[QUOTE]I only brought it up because a kobe stan took a shot at Lebron for copying Kobe, then denied that Kobe copied anyone.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a "shot". Clown. :roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3]Debatable.[/QUOTE]

Not really.

Lebron wanting to be like Kobe lol...

[quote=Jacks3]It wasn't a "shot". Clown. :roll:[/quote]

:roll: Good one.

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[QUOTE=G-train]:roll: Good one.

[IMG]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slinger117/Iron%20Man/1210137149835.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=TAC602]You didn't catch the sarcasm in that post? I even put it in quotations. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


Sowwie ~

[QUOTE=ZaaaaaH]Sowwie ~[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I've seen people say things like that though and be completely serious. If anything, its good you came with the correction.

[QUOTE=RRR3]To all: Where does the word "stan" come from? I know it means a biased fan, but I don't know where the terminology comes from.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, from my lurking days, it comes from the Eminem song, Stan.

[QUOTE=jlip]I wonder why no one (at least not publically) has announced that they were working with Kevin McHale to better their post game/ moves/ footwork. He's probably 2nd to only Hakeem in terms of that facet of the game.[/QUOTE]

Why learn from anyone else but the best?

A post game would add to his repertoire anxious to see his game develop.
Dallas had help defenders key in on him so he couldn't slash he didn't look comfortable working in a limited area.

A pull up jumper would work wonders for him.
He should be working on his mid range game just as much if not more.

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Motivation.:rolleyes:

lets be honest here,[B] lebrons post game needs to be close to the basket[/B].......dude isnt going to be posting up and firing mid ranges like MJ or kobe at will

[QUOTE=macpierce]lets be honest here,[B] lebrons post game needs to be close to the basket[/B].......dude isnt going to be posting up and firing mid ranges like MJ or kobe at will[/QUOTE]


Last time i checked he has a turn around jump shot that he does on the baseline, he can expand it to draw himself more closer to the hoop for an assist or draw more fouls that way. I hated the way he couldn't get any fouls drawn in the finals, this would make his life easier..

[QUOTE=macpierce]lets be honest here,[B] lebrons post game needs to be close to the basket[/B].......dude isnt going to be posting up and firing mid ranges like MJ or kobe at will[/QUOTE]

It's late in the game for him to get deadly @ mid range. To bring his play to the next level he should work on his weaknesses.