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[B]Medium shots:[/B]
Lebron 86
Kobe 78
Wade 73
Durant 85.
Rose 77
Anthony 90
Amare 89
Gasol 87
Nash 80
Tim D 82
J.Smith 80
Garnett 93
Millsap 86
So,Medium shot ranking...
[B]Garnett>Anthony>Amare>Gasol>Millsap=Lebron>Durant>Duncan>Nash=Josh Smith>Kobe>Rose>Wade.
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[QUOTE=pauk]1. Kobe fan buys the game
2. Kobe fan launches the game and compares Lebrons & Kobes ratings
3. Kobe fan says "fak this ***!!!!#"#"#((=#)%(!!!"
4. Kobe fan edits Kobes rating to 99 and drops Lebron to 1
5. Kobe fan with big smile[/QUOTE]
I actually put both 99. If you don't they're avgs through the season are laughable. Lebron would be like 19/6/5 and Kobe would be 21/4/4. Guys like Wade, Howard, Paul, Deron, Durant are usually like that aswell.
Oh and Pauk, look at the age. Now turn that smile back into a :hammerhead: .
What i wanna know is why Kobe's midrange is a 78 while Gasol is a 87 and Matt Carroll is a 93 :wtf:
Josh smith med shot is better than kobe, rose, n wade :facepalm:
WTF with that?
its friggin' josh smith, the worst shooter just behind rondo in the L.
[QUOTE=Noof][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PuNXKYHPIU&NR=1[/url]
You can't see their overall ratings but that doesn't really matter, u can still see the order of the top 10.
Lol @ Lebron having a better midrange jumper rating than Kobe and Durant.[/QUOTE]
Last year he did I think. They use 82gms stats
LeBron - 98
Wade - 96
Kobe - 94
Dwight - 93
Cp3 - 93
Durant - 92
Rose - 92
Melo - 91
Deron - 90
STAT/Russell - 88
Dirk - 85 (WTF?!?!?!!?!?!!?) They couldn't even give him one for winning the championships leaving him at the same place he was in 2k11, pathetic.
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Kobe being 3rd best is arguable, Dirk being disrespected is unreal, I'm glad that they at least got Cp3>Rose.
This is my post regarding the subject from another thread:
[QUOTE]The ratings are just an average of all his stats. That's why Dirk (and to an extent Bosh) have such low rankings, they have really good parts of their games but they have a few categories like steals, blocks, athleticism/vertical, speed, etc that aren't that high so it really brings down their average. Where as LeBron has every stat high so his average is extremely high.[/QUOTE]
Going skill by skill...the only things you could rank Dirk highly at is shooting and if you have to find another one...offensive awareness. Thats it. Hes not a rebounder much anymore. Hes not a high level defender on or off the ball. hes not very athletic. His passing is good for a bigman but not...guard good.
You give him high shooting ratings and do the rest honestly hes not having a high rating. Not sure what people fail to see there. Want them to pretend a guy getting 6-7 rebounds a game is a top rebounder? Make him faster than he is? Make him a top flight shot blocker? What?
What would they do to bump up his overall rating that isnt just lying about his ability? They gave him 99 mid range and close. What else can they do?
doesnt really matter.
i can kill it with Dirk all day on 2K
hell, you can tear people up with a guy like Deshawn Stevenson if you learn how to use him properly.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Going skill by skill...the only things you could rank Dirk highly at is shooting and if you have to find another one...offensive awareness. Thats it. Hes not a rebounder much anymore. Hes not a high level defender on or off the ball. hes not very athletic. His passing is good for a bigman but not...guard good.
You give him high shooting ratings and do the rest honestly hes not having a high rating. Not sure what people fail to see there. Want them to pretend a guy getting 6-7 rebounds a game is a top rebounder? Make him faster than he is? Make him a top flight shot blocker? What?
What would they do to bump up his overall rating that isnt just lying about his ability? They gave him 99 mid range and close. What else can they do?[/QUOTE]
Shot inside, close, medium, 3pt, low post, freethrow, layup, dunk, standing dunk, shoot in traffic, he has some handles, off hand dribbling, ball security, pass, on ball defense isn't terrible, as u said offensive awareness, his defensive awareness isn't horrible, offensive clutch, consistency, stamina, durability, emotion.
none of those have gotten any better is what whoever made the game is telling me, i call bullshit.
besides all of that, who doesn't have dirk in their top10 besides 2k12?
Why would any of those get better? He prove himself to be a better off hand dribbler in the playoffs? Look like a great standing dunker?
They gave him 99s in what he did in the playoffs. 99s. Who else is a 99 in anything other than consistency and maybe guys like Kidd or Nash in offensive awareness?
You use dirk in the demo? He doesnt miss. I could drop 50 at will with him in 2k11 just off fadeaways in the high post. And they made him better. And his 3s go in this year. They made him better.
They dont need to bump up his overall by lying about what hes good at. hes the best shooter in the game I bet. They dont need to do anything else.
Dirk is rated fairly...he is not good enough to be any higher...his strong suits are shooting from anyhere on the court, FT shooting, O awarness, some clutchness, and bball iq...everything else he is below average or average at especially for his position.
he is weak rebounder for a 4, cant play D, has ok handles, is not young so he cant gather points on the potential rating like durant does, does not block shots well, is not a supreme athetle, not fast nor quick , cant jump high,
for ex. Most people will state dirk > bosh..but when u break down individual skill in categories, they not that far apart. Dirk is better in proally every offensive category but that margins are not mind blowingly apart, and bosh, is younger, more athletic, faster, etc. and thats why they ratings arent majorily apart. 85 to 80
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Why would any of those get better? He prove himself to be a better off hand dribbler in the playoffs? Look like a great standing dunker?
They gave him 99s in what he did in the playoffs. 99s. Who else is a 99 in anything other than consistency and maybe guys like Kidd or Nash in offensive awareness?
You use dirk in the demo? He doesnt miss. I could drop 50 at will with him in 2k11 just off fadeaways in the high post. And they made him better. And his 3s go in this year. They made him better.
They dont need to bump up his overall by lying about what hes good at. hes the best shooter in the game I bet. They dont need to do anything else.[/QUOTE]
If you don't think that any of what I listed should have gotten any better than there's nothing more I can really say.
btw, i'm pretty sure the difficulty on the demo is on rookie. not missing there isn't impressive.
[QUOTE]hell, you can tear people up with a guy like Deshawn Stevenson if you learn how to use him properly.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Ratings dont matter too much in 2K. I can guarantee that you can EASILY catch fire and take over a game with Dirk.
there are alot of intangibles in real life that that be translated to video game rankings. I'm sure the 2k12 team, if they were actually talking basketball, wouldn't put Dirk below Melo or Amare.
People complained about this last year as well, but did anyone actually have a problem playing with him? The reason his overall is low is because his defense/rebounding for his position isn't good, so it's weighted more heavily against him. He's still a beast offensively.
So Dirk....at 33....should have his standing dunk improving? He became a better dribbler with his left hand since april? his Ft shooting should go up even though hes shot better in past years? You are just naming random skills they have no reason to improve. Which im guessing is why theydidnt. Its not supposed to be emotional. They arent gonna make Dirk a better standing dunker to boost his overall. They gave him 99s at what he does. All they should do. You should care if he doesnt play well not what his rating is. The rating is skill by skill by position. Dirk does not have many high level power forward skills.
His same numbers as a swingman might make him higher. Who knows? Doesnt matter. They rate him off what he is. Not what you want his final number to be. The final number means nothing on the game anyway. Its just to look at.
[QUOTE=chazzy]People complained about this last year as well, but did anyone actually have a problem playing with him? The reason his overall is low is because his defense/rebounding for his position isn't good, so it's weighted more heavily against him. He's still a beast offensively.[/QUOTE]
They ****ed his shot up in that game like they ****ed his ratings up in this game.
How is Dirk overall lower than Melo's?
Dirk real overall score - 95
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]So Dirk....at 33....should have his standing dunk improving? He became a better dribbler with his left hand since april? his Ft shooting should go up even though hes shot better in past years? You are just naming random skills they have no reason to improve. Which im guessing is why theydidnt. Its not supposed to be emotional. They arent gonna make Dirk a better standing dunker to boost his overall. They gave him 99s at what he does. All they should do. You should care if he doesnt play well not what his rating is. The rating is skill by skill by position. Dirk does not have many high level power forward skills.
His same numbers as a swingman might make him higher. Who knows? Doesnt matter. They rate him off what he is. Not what you want his final number to be. The final number means nothing on the game anyway. Its just to look at.[/QUOTE]
Why did they make Dirks shooting 99 when he has shot better in the past? Why did his shooting go up yet his rating stays the same?
Rudy Gay:86
Nowitzki: 85.
Nowitzki probably have superb shooting ratings and he is 7 foot.
Shooting probably went up to appease people like you who think overall ratings for a video game are what developers feel about players in real life. To throw you types a bone im guessing. But they arent gonna rebuild the ratings system because someone doesnt understand that overall rating has nothing to do with real life and little to do with how good you are in the game either.
Its just a number. Dirk skill by skill for a powerforward is not a 95 type. hes a scorer. And unlike a number of great scoring 4s hes not even a rebounder or a top flight defender. Hes a scorer. So he got high ratings at things he uses to score.
Beyond that its just asking them to lie for a number you are more comfortable with. Why would they do that?
Their job is to make him play like himself and nothing more. The number is just...a number.
It makes sense to me. Ratings go by all around game more than a players dominance. Dirk really aint that great in anything besides shooting and scoring so his all around rating wont be that high. But I guarantee if u shoot all jumpers wit him u will be a beast.
Dont agree wit Lebrick being a 98 doe, that would mean he was almost perfect in evrything in the game which is a damn lie
MJ's a 99. This is how is should be:
MJ - 99
LBJ - 96
Wade - 96
Dwight - 93
CP3 - 92
Durant - 92
Melo - 92
Kobe - 90
Dirk - 89
Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem and a lot of the legends should be in the high 80's, mid 90's.
Wow you guys need to start reading the 2K12 thread more before crying about the game in the general forum. 2K sent out an email yesterday on the ratings. Explaining that bigman stats like rebounding, shotblocking, post defense are going to affect an overall rating of a PF/C MUCH more than outside shooting and passing etc. Which is why Dirk got an 85 rating.
He doesn't play like a typical bigman so the formula punishes him for it. That being said..... he's going to be a 25+ ppg scorer anyways because his shooting numbers are all high including 99 close and mid.
Dirk's shooting..
[B]Inside:88
Close:99
Medium:99
3points:84[/B]
7 Foot player with fadeway signature.. He will be unstoppable if you play the way he does.
Id like to see what Dirks ratings would be overall for a 2 or 3.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Id like to see what Dirks ratings would be overall for a 2 or 3.[/QUOTE]
High 80's most likely. The Devs said that they essentially had to make Dirk like a bigger SG in terms of stat allocation. Meaning his numbers balance are closer to a SG or SF than a big.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Wow you guys need to start reading the 2K12 thread more before crying about the game in the general forum. 2K sent out an email yesterday on the ratings. Explaining that bigman stats like rebounding, shotblocking, post defense are going to affect an overall rating of a PF/C MUCH more than outside shooting and passing etc. Which is why Dirk got an 85 rating.
He doesn't play like a typical bigman so the formula punishes him for it. That being said..... he's going to be a 25+ ppg scorer anyways because his shooting numbers are all high including 99 close and mid.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case I don't see why DRose is a 92, he plays more like a SG in my eyes than a passer/pg.
[QUOTE=NBAller]If that's the case I don't see why DRose is a 92, he plays more like a SG in my eyes than a passer.[/QUOTE]
Rose has far more PG skills than Dirk has bigman skills. That's the difference. Not to mention individually Rose IS the more rounded player to begin with. For example. Ability to score in the paint may be 5 skill points= 1 overall for a PF right? Midrange jumper on the other hand may be a 10 skill point= 1 overall ratio. Which is why Dirk is at an 85. It caught me off guard at first but once I read up on it.. it made complete sense.
Blake Griffin for example would be a perfect PF probably a 95+ rating IF he was a good defender. The formula doesn't value passing and ballhandling really at all for a PF so Blake like Dirk.. is at an 85. They are both very unorthodox and unique players.
I'm a huge STAT fan but having him rated above Dirk is just.... moronic.
Doesn't matter too much thought, that game doesn't exist in my mind till the lockout ends.
No rookies = FAIL
[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]MJ's a 99. This is how is should be:
MJ - 99
LBJ - 96
Wade - 96
Dwight - 93
CP3 - 92
Durant - 92
Melo - 92
Kobe - 90
Dirk - 89
Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem and a lot of the legends should be in the high 80's, mid 90's.[/QUOTE]
Balderdash.
[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]MJ's a 99. This is how is should be:
MJ - 99
LBJ - 96
Wade - 96
Dwight - 93
CP3 - 92
Durant - 92
Melo - 92
Kobe - 90
Dirk - 89
Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem and a lot of the legends should be in the high 80's, mid 90's.[/QUOTE]
1. MJ shouldn't be 99. He wasn't perfect.
MJ/Kareem/Shaq - 97 (all at their peaks)
2003 Duncan (if he was in there)/Wilt/Hakeem - 96
Russell/2009/2010 LeBron (if he was in there)- 95 (I know he's not a better player than some people ranked below him, but in the ratings he'd be better because there would be nothing he'd be very low in other than maybe post offense/defense)
Ewing/David Robinson/2004 Garnett/2009 Wade/2006 Kobe/Barkley - 94
Bird/Magic (both better players but again will lose points in defense/athleticism despite their dominance otherwise)/Current LeBron/Wade/Malone/Oscar/ -93
I'm probably missing someone obvious in the middle of that.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]So Dirk....at 33....should have his standing dunk improving? He became a better dribbler with his left hand since april? his Ft shooting should go up even though hes shot better in past years? You are just naming random skills they have no reason to improve. Which im guessing is why theydidnt. Its not supposed to be emotional. They arent gonna make Dirk a better standing dunker to boost his overall. They gave him 99s at what he does. All they should do. You should care if he doesnt play well not what his rating is. The rating is skill by skill by position. Dirk does not have many high level power forward skills.
His same numbers as a swingman might make him higher. Who knows? Doesnt matter. They rate him off what he is. Not what you want his final number to be. The final number means nothing on the game anyway. Its just to look at.[/QUOTE]
You're probably right.
I was thinking about how Mavs got to the finals, and Dirk playing great seemed like the only answer that would fit considering Butler was injured, and Terry was the #2 option. I'm happy that they fixed how Dirk shoots though, and raised his shooting.
Why are people defending that the ratings aren't how good the player is and is some convoluted stat average?
Why does Dirk suffer from not being a great rebounder but Rose doesn't That CLEARLY means they pay attention to the players themselves outside of the stats, they realize that dirk as a big man should be getting rebs and rose as a pg shouldn't. YET, when it comes to the overall rating, they ignore things like flat out effectiveness? And who's the better player?
Not that good of a system. IMO.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Why are people defending that the ratings aren't how good the player is and is some convoluted stat average?
Why does Dirk suffer from not being a great rebounder but Rose doesn't That CLEARLY means they pay attention to the players themselves outside of the stats, they realize that dirk as a big man should be getting rebs and rose as a pg shouldn't. YET, when it comes to the overall rating, they ignore things like flat out effectiveness? And who's the better player?
Not that good of a system. IMO.[/QUOTE]
Adjusting for rating for position is easy. Adjusting overall ratings by impact is more abstract.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Why are people defending that the ratings aren't how good the player is and is some convoluted stat average?[/QUOTE]
Because the only other way to do it would be to pull some number out of your ass that "feels" right then modify the system to match it....which would work...for that one player. But the system needed to make Dirk a 96 would also make guys with more all around games worse since it would have to throw out or greatly reduce how much rebounds and defense count. It would require a different system to rank everyone and its just not reasonable to expect.
The number doesnt matter. Its how good the player plays. Dirk plays better than an 85 so what does his 85 matter?
Really all I can think of is to rank players by what they would be role wise like on my player. If Dirk is classified as a faceup bigman perhaps hes a 95. As a defensive bigman hes a 75 perhaps...but thats not his class. Make Lebron an all around...so maybe hes a 95-96. Make Rose a score first PG so hes a 95 or so. Make Paul a pass first so hes a 97 or so. Make Shaq in his prime a back to the basket scorer so hes a 98. Whatever.
Only way I can think to do it. But they would have to assign a play type to everyone in the game. For no reason at all...but to keep people from complaining about a number that doesnt matter in any way while playing.
All this does is show why you can't break down players in this way. You will reach faulty conclusions.
dirk should be at least 88
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Because the only other way to do it would be to pull some number out of your ass that "feels" right then modify the system to match it....which would work...for that one player. But the system needed to make Dirk a 96 would also make guys with more all around games worse since it would have to throw out or greatly reduce how much rebounds and defense count. It would require a different system to rank everyone and its just not reasonable to expect.
The number doesnt matter. Its how good the player plays.[B] Dirk plays better than an 85 so what does his 85 matter?[/B]
Really all I can think of is to rank players by what they would be role wise like on my player. If Dirk is classified as a faceup bigman perhaps hes a 95. As a defensive bigman hes a 75 perhaps...but thats not his class. Make Lebron an all around...so maybe hes a 95-96. Make Rose a score first PG so hes a 95 or so. Make Paul a pass first so hes a 97 or so. Make Shaq in his prime a back to the basket scorer so hes a 98. Whatever.
Only way I can think to do it. But they would have to assign a play type to everyone in the game. For no reason at all...but to keep people from complaining about a number that doesnt matter in any way while playing.[/QUOTE]
Exactly why he shouldn't be a 85 man. These ratings are supposed to reflect the players performance. If Jordan was a 85 would you still be saying the same shit? That he plays better than a 85 and that the number doesn't mean nothing? I know that just about every bull fan would be mad as hell and feel the same way I do about Dirks rating.
For christ sake Westbrooks overall is higher than Dirks and he as a inconsistent jumpshot, barely passes the ball. Show me one person that would say Westbrook is better than Dirk overall or that he's simply better than Dirk is. Or would even include him in the top10.