Most players can't even manage their own money. How can they manage a complex business like NBA.
Beside they will take huge losses and by the time they can break even, the billionaires already created new superstars from colleges and all over the world.
Wow, there's alot of really small thinkers in this thread.
You really think it would be that hard to start a new league? You create an organizing body of really smart business types to make it happen. The players don't run the league. They hire smart people to do it for them.
You don't think investors would line up to help this new league get on its feet?
They already have the most imporant part of a league...THE PLAYERS....essentially THE CONTENT. Some TV deals, arena deals, sponsorships, investors....it'll take work and take a few years to work out the kinks, but ultimately better for players in long run.
Think differently.
it doesn't has to be only ''Players'' Owned League
people (fans) can buy sahres..
[B]New Basketball League + New Franchises[/B]
for fcuk sake it's been 30 years and Stern is still there
a revolution needed .. no more family businesses
[B]ownership[/B]
(rights of ownership to the public using shares)
LBJ and Wade can establish a franchise and have 51% of the shares
same thing goes for the super stars and the rest of players GM's trainers etc
the public and basketball fans can buy shares
as [B]97 bulls[/B] said
Since players are irreplaceable
Bottom line, flatout. Which honestly is something you can't say for the owners, GM'S, trainers, ballboys, etc. You don't have a grocery store without gorceries.
- In business, your two biggest costs are the actual product your selling and labor. The players in this case are both.
- players don't need the owners to play basketball.
- Millions of people are willing to pay top dollar to watch them
but i know the 1% who control America won't allow this to happen, but it's ok to dream
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6359514#post6359514[/url]
[QUOTE=Math2]This won't happen...
Funding = [B]shares[/B]
Crappy product will result, because they'll make all sorts of dumb rules
Most likely, it will be a No-D league... = [B]only NBA people know?:confusedshrug: without them we have no basketball :rolleyes:[/B]
No Arenas Either... = [B]WTF[/B][/QUOTE]
= bolded
[QUOTE=B
[quote=bagelred]Wow, there's alot of really small thinkers in this thread.
You really think it would be that hard to start a new league? You create an organizing body of really smart business types to make it happen. The players don't run the league. They hire smart people to do it for them.
You don't think investors would line up to help this new league get on its feet?
They already have the most imporant part of a league...THE PLAYERS....essentially THE CONTENT. Some TV deals, arena deals, sponsorships, investors....it'll take work and take a few years to work out the kinks, but ultimately better for players in long run.
Think differently.[/quote]
Its legally impossible. It can't happen.
[quote=Sarcastic]The Hornets actually would have numerous buyers if the NBA would allow them to move from New Orleans.[/quote]
4-5 would keep it there
[URL="http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/08/nba_chief_david_stern_says_4_o.html"]http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/08/nba_chief_david_stern_says_4_o.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=G-train]Its legally impossible. It can't happen.[/QUOTE]
Wait.....what? :lol What are you talking about?
[quote=bagelred]Wait.....what? :lol What are you talking about?[/quote]
Without having to go into all the legalities, it would end up in court and the NBA would win.
[QUOTE]Wow, there's alot of really small thinkers in this thread.[/QUOTE]
It's called being realistic.
[QUOTE]You really think it would be that hard to start a new league? You create an organizing body of really smart business types to make it happen. The players don't run the league. They hire smart people to do it for them.
You don't think investors would line up to help this new league get on its feet?
They already have the most imporant part of a league...THE PLAYERS....essentially THE CONTENT. Some TV deals, arena deals, sponsorships, investors....it'll take work and take a few years to work out the kinks, but ultimately better for players in long run.[/QUOTE]
The "really smart business types" would know how risky it is. Period. There's a reason it hasn't been done. There's been scandals, expansions. Stern is universally hated by the basketball fans. A ref went to jail for fixing games. You don't think it hasn't crossed the minds of people like Marc Cuban? There's a reason why nobody has seriously attempted.
You are sooooo far off with the players being the most important part. It's like a car. Every single part plays it's role and is needed. Look at the offseason, the drew league and all these games. There's your talent. You need established refs, venue's, scoutings, medical staff, a commish who's ran a league and knows what he's doing. You'd have the same questions of player salaries. Good luck getting everybody to agree on that in a brand new league.
Owners and players both need eachother. Like I said earlier people downplay the value of an organized sports league. There's a reason why people don't go out and make there own MLB|NBA|NFL.
[QUOTE]Think differently[/QUOTE]
You just need to actually think. You don't think the NBA isn't going to do anything about it? They would cave there lockout. Owners would be handing out contracts within minutes. The NBA has 30 franchises. A new league? Be lucky to get 10 teams to start off. Good luck getting investors to throw there money into alot of these markets, esp with NBA teams to compete with from the start.
A practical reason why this cant happen is that the NBA has the rights to pretty much all the arenas.
They wouldn't get a TV contract of any value either, as a large network would ruin their relationship with NBA in doing so.
Players would leave, but then other players would stay and vote in an agreement. Including the best players, who would get 1/20 of the salary they would get in a new league compared to even the worst case scenario with the NBA.
[QUOTE=Kevin_Gamble]Right, because the only way to fly anywhere is to build your own airplane.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
lol there will be no more NBA ...
[QUOTE=bagelred]Yes, Pegasus they would have to build planes....as well as building factories to make the basketballs.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
:lol @ there being so many risks. The teams appreciate at about 7-10% in bad markets in a bad economy. The only hard thing would be to come up with the capital.
This country has already had 2 basketball leagues competing against each at the same time. If a new league could get all the superstar players to defect away from the NBA, then the NBA would be completely dead.
[quote=Sarcastic]:lol @ there being so many risks. The teams appreciate at about 7-10% in bad markets in a bad economy. The only hard thing would be to come up with the capital.
This country has already had 2 basketball leagues competing against each at the same time. If a new league could get all the superstar players to defect away from the NBA, then the NBA would be completely dead.[/quote]
The superstars would rather play for 30% BRI in current league than the income they would make in a new one.
It's comeback time....................
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[QUOTE=G-train]The superstars would rather play for 30% BRI in current league than the income they would make in a new one.[/QUOTE]
30% of BRI is 1.2 billion. You think a new league would be worse than NHL? :facepalm
You're absolutely clueless.
[quote=Sarcastic]30% of BRI is 1.2 billion. You think a new league would be worse than NHL? :facepalm
You're absolutely clueless.[/quote]
Sounds like you are.
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]With what players? No one is tuning in if Sasha Vujacic is the best the NBA has to offer.[/QUOTE]
If NCAA can crush the nba then NBA with NCAA talent can crush the new form league.
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]There are 1200 billionaires on the planet. There are 450 NBA quality players on the planet.
It would be much easier to replace the owners than it would be to replace the players. Simple math tells us so.[/QUOTE]
LOL what a dumbass. There are more people who can play basketball than billionaires.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Wow, there's alot of really small thinkers in this thread.
You really think it would be that hard to start a new league? You create an organizing body of really smart business types to make it happen. The players don't run the league. They hire smart people to do it for them.
You don't think investors would line up to help this new league get on its feet?
They already have the most imporant part of a league...THE PLAYERS....essentially THE CONTENT. Some TV deals, arena deals, sponsorships, investors....it'll take work and take a few years to work out the kinks, but ultimately better for players in long run.
Think differently.[/QUOTE]
yeah coz by renaming owners to investors, they would now have different mindset. Those investors would now be willing to take losses unlike the owners. LOL owners and investors are just the same so if the owners locked out the players coz their investment arent growing, investors too would do the same. If the players want to retain what they earn then good luck finding an investor.
I can't believe people think the players can just start up their own league as if it's as easy as registering a domain name and hiring a court.
Think about it this way - you'd make more money if you owned wherever you work right now, so tomorrow you should quit your job and start up a business in your line of work where you're the owner. I mean, it's not that hard is it? Of course it's hard and the players simply don't have the resources, and as much as they want more money from the owners most wouldn't want to take the risks where they could lose money if their team isn't profitable.
Three letters for anyone who actually think this would work...
XFL
Never heard of it? Not surprised.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL[/url]
Two of the most successful business men of this era, Vince McMahon and Ted Turner, with all the resources of two multi billion dollar companies, WWE and Time Warner couldn't get a new professional league off the ground.
They had the stadiums, had the TV deals. They tried everything to poach players from the NFL. How many crossed over? None.
Why? These guys have 10 odd years to make their money, the money that has to fund the rest of their lives. You think players are gonna give up guarenteed money and take a risk on a new start up league, wake up.
The sheer amount of money need to start a professional league is absurd. Vince McMahon (multi billionaire, not like these multi millionaires) reportedly lost half his net worth in the venture.
And you really think these players are going to put up their money to do it? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Walker]Three letters for anyone who actually think this would work...
XFL
[/QUOTE]
That's because the NFL was still around. The NFL had all the name players. XFL was a league of scrubs. (other problems too but that was the main one).
This new "Bball Players League" would have ALL THE STARS. HUGE HUGE difference.
What are you going to watch? This new league with Lebron, Kobe, Howard, etc.? Or the NBA with scrubs?
Don't answer, it was rhetorical.
[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]I can't believe people think the players can just start up their own league as if it's as easy as registering a domain name and hiring a court.
.[/QUOTE]
Who says its easy? Any time you start a new business venture it takes time. But why do people think its impossible? I don't get it. Businessmen start new ventures all the time with MUCH MORE risk and needing MUCH more capital than this one. You already have the most important part....the content (players).
Such small small thinkers....amazing. I suppose everything we've ever done in human history was too difficult also. Yet here we are.
It wouldn't be nearly as difficult as some of you think it would be. The XFL was a failure, but they DID IT. Meaning, they put games togethers, had TV contracts, got stadiums to play in, referees, etc. etc. So how hard would it be for a new basketball league to be put together? Probably would be easier than that. Less players, less coaching staff, less referrees, less team equipment.....yada yada.......but this league would be a success, because we'll be watching the stars, not the scrubs.
[QUOTE][url]http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7088249/amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-says-players-talked-starting-own-league[/url]
NEW YORK -- If the NBA lockout forces the cancellation of the 2011-12 season, New York Knicks forward Amare Stoudemire says players will give "serious" consideration to starting their own league.
According to Stoudemire, the possibility of forming an alternate league already has been discussed among players.
"Obviously we're trying to ... get this lockout resolved. We want to play NBA basketball. But if it doesn't happen what are we gonna do? We can't just sit around and not do anything. So we have to figure out ways to now continue to play basketball at a high level against top competition and have fun doing it. So, that's the next step," Stoudemire said Tuesday night at a Manhattan Footlocker to promote his new sneaker, the Nike Air Max Sweep Thru.
There are, of course, many hurdles to be cleared before players get an alternate league off the ground. Among those include finding a source for player salaries, game venues, broadcast rights and player insurance, just to name a few.
Without addressing logistics, Stoudemire believes starting another league is an idea players will explore.
"If we don't go to Europe, then let's start our own league; that's how I see it," the 6-foot-11 forward/center said.
Stoudemire was asked to gauge "how serious" the idea is being considered.
"It's very, very serious. It's just a matter of us strategically coming up with a plan, a blueprint and putting it together," he said. "So we'll see how this lockout goes. If it goes one or two years, then we've got to start our own league." [/QUOTE]
Guess Amare is just delusional too.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Who says its easy? Any time you start a new business venture it takes time. But why do people think its impossible? I don't get it. Businessmen start new ventures all the time with MUCH MORE risk and needing MUCH more capital than this one. You already have the most important part....the content (players).
Such small small thinkers....amazing. I suppose everything we've ever done in human history was too difficult also. Yet here we are.
It wouldn't be nearly as difficult as some of you think it would be. The XFL was a failure, but they DID IT. Meaning, they put games togethers, had TV contracts, got stadiums to play in, referees, etc. etc. So how hard would it be for a new basketball league to be put together? Probably would be easier than that. Less players, less coaching staff, less referrees, less team equipment.....yada yada.......but this league would be a success, because we'll be watching the stars, not the scrubs.[/QUOTE]
You assume that nba owners cant outbid. Lets assume that the nba remove the max salary cap on players, do you think the owners cant pay lebron or wade 30M each? And even if lebron and kobe decides to form their own league, most stars will still be tempted to play for the nba if they are offered 30M Compared to 3 million or even 0 in their new league. Coz im sure they would be incurring losses in their first few years just like XFL. If 80% of the stars remains, then most fans would still prefer watching NBA coz thats where the competition is. Thats why they cant just form their own league coz they cant just assure the loyalty of players due to being tempted of having a higher offer. These players can only play for 10 years and so they want to get paid as early as possible.
Amar'e Stoudemire suggested yesterday that players should consider starting their own league in the future, but only if the lockout goes 1-2 YEARS:
Skim-read this: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8435[/url]
Why don't they do it then? Flat out say to the owners we can do your job, we don't need you, we can make owner money, thanks for the negotiations but we'll take it from here.
Because realistically they can't. You think if they could make more money as owners of their own league they wouldn't be doing it by now? Amare even says if the lockout goes for [I]another one or two years[/I] they'll look at it then. It's posturing.
[QUOTE=pegasus]They would at least have to build planes, because after having flown all those years, I just don't see them taking train or bus. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kevin_Gamble]Right, because the only way to fly anywhere is to build your own airplane.[/QUOTE]
Let me introduce you to each other.
Sarcasm, this is Idiot. Idiot, this is Sarcasm.
Melo just mentioned them starting a players league.
Who keeps changing my thread titles? Jesus Christ.
I think creating a whole new league is unrealistic, but at the end of the day the players don't need to have an actual league to keep interest/generate money. Some of these Players are stars and because of that people will pay to watch them play with or without their NBA teams. Its up to them to capitilize on it.
Just think about it, wouldn't you have liked to see some of those famed games we've heard about all summer where the biggest stars were playing on street ball courts? All the Players (or their representatives) would have to do is secure a TV deal to televise those games and sponsors to finance it. With the association that certain players already have with companies like Nike, Coca-Cola, etc. I doubt they would have to look very far to find a powerful sponsor. This is so obvious to me that its amazing to me that with the amount of money players pay for lawyers, agents and managers that nobody has tried to put this plan into motion.
Not trying to be harsh, but when I think about how much money the Players would have generated if they put the right business mentality into these "celebrity classic" type of games they've been having I think some of these guys should be fired.
But luckily for the Players its not too late. I still honestly belief that if they can get 10 or so stars interested and have decent squads featuring mostly NBA players around them I can see this working.
[QUOTE=Walker]Three letters for anyone who actually think this would work...
XFL
Never heard of it? Not surprised.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL[/url]
Two of the most successful business men of this era, Vince McMahon and Ted Turner, with all the resources of two multi billion dollar companies, WWE and Time Warner couldn't get a new professional league off the ground.
They had the stadiums, had the TV deals. They tried everything to poach players from the NFL. How many crossed over? None.
Why? These guys have 10 odd years to make their money, the money that has to fund the rest of their lives. You think players are gonna give up guarenteed money and take a risk on a new start up league, wake up.
The sheer amount of money need to start a professional league is absurd. Vince McMahon (multi billionaire, not like these multi millionaires) reportedly lost half his net worth in the venture.
And you really think these players are going to put up their money to do it? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
If the XFL had started during a lockout the 2 situations would be comparable. As it stands there is no comparison because the NFL already had the best players under contract.
I am pretty sure the players weren't allowed to play for profit this summer as per being in the union. Otherwise players would play in barnstorming leagues in the off season all the time.
yeah