b-b-b-b--bb-bb-bb-but lebron doesn't need rings! he got 1st place on an ISH poll and 1st place votes from low end ESPN experts!
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b-b-b-b--bb-bb-bb-but lebron doesn't need rings! he got 1st place on an ISH poll and 1st place votes from low end ESPN experts!
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]Anyone that believes Carmelo over Rose has no credibility and is underrating rose there. He made knick fans forget who carmelo even was.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gCrnrk9HI[/url][/QUOTE]
yeah coz score first pgs has won in this league. Get back to me if they won and thats the time I will rank him over melo. Its like saying iverson is better than melo yet hasnt done anything besides the finals appearance. Only idiots believe in it.
[QUOTE=shaq's--lakers]How in the hell is Kobe a Top 10 player, When 38 year old Jason Kidd SHUT HIM DOWN :facepalm
And Dwight Howard is underrated.[/QUOTE]
Dwight is overrated in my opinion, way overrated. Hes a new age dikembe, which is not an insult but it doesnt make him a top 5 player
[QUOTE=Positive]C'mon man you can't seriously believe that. I've watched Pierce for years, going way back to the beginning with him and Antoine Walker. Pierce is a good player, but he is nowhere near the caliber LeBron is. He wasn't even the best player on that Boston team when they won.
There is far too much emphasis placed on championships. I mean they're important judging players overall resume, but in no way can they be used to justify picking Paul Pierce over LeBron. Could Paul Pierce have taken a Cavs team to the finals? Considering a Paul Pierce led team couldn't beat the early 2000s Nets, I highly doubt it. The hate for LeBron is ridiculous, I mean a lot of it is warranted but some people put on some complete blinders when judging him now.[/QUOTE]
he is nowhere when it comes to stats but when it comes to skills, i prefer pierce skillset over lebron just like I prefer dirk over lebron. What you guys dont get is you give value on PER and thinks that rebounding, passing have all the same impact as scoring which is not. And I prefer pierce skillset in scoring just like dirks. Lebron maybe efficient but isnt effective against top defenses just like mavs.
Rose
Wade
Dirk
Durant
Howard
You know what, I actually agree with Skip Bayless.
i guess i've seen better lists
[QUOTE=asdf1990]yeah I would take melo, ancient kobe and dwight over lebron to win a ring.
/sarcasm[/QUOTE]
for a finals series only, based on what we have seen from bron...... he can easily be taken outside of t5 maybe barely in t10 even.
just for finals , thats justifiable.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]for a finals series only, based on what we have seen from bron...... he can easily be taken outside of t5 maybe barely in t10 even.
just for finals , thats justifiable.[/QUOTE]
and how do u know how carmelo would perform in the finals when he has never been there or ever been close to be there?
he has managed to escape first round only once in his 8 years... the rest of those 7 years he got swept almost all the time in the first round....
im sick and tired of how you people act like Final Playoff series is completely different from any Playoff series.... like Finals is some raw, magical, superhuman "BIG STAGE" which makes THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD crumble in a corner and start crying like a girl......... just because it is... THE FINALS *in a very scary voice*...
[B]Why only FINALS? Are you telling me Lebron would have played AMAZING and would have WON if he met the MAVS in the 1st round instead? He played so great all of the sudden just because it wasnt THE ALMIGHTY SUPER SCARY FINALS? Do you see your crazy logic?[/B]
Lebron was simply out of scoring rythm at a horrible time, its as simple as that... that in a combination with a Team Defense which played him correctly and Facilitating made him play like he played.... really.... 18 PPG is POSSIBLE for Lebron in 3-6 games.... BELIEVE IT OR NOT.......... especially in a team where he has to share the ball with 2 super scorers........
IF THAT SERIES WAS REPLAYED.... RIGHT NOW.... BELIEVE YOU ME... AFTER ALL THIS CRITICISM..... LEBRON WOULD GO NUTS...... EVEN IF HE STILL WOULD BE OUT OF SCORING RYTHM.... HE WOULD BE SELFISH AND KEEP SHOTJACKING A LA KOBE.......... JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY..... SO THEY DONT GO "HE DIDNT TRY"....
[QUOTE=pauk]
IF THAT SERIES WAS REPLAYED.... RIGHT NOW.... BELIEVE YOU ME... AFTER ALL THIS CRITICISM..... LEBRON WOULD GO NUTS...... EVEN IF HE STILL WOULD BE OUT OF SCORING RYTHM.... HE WOULD BE SELFISH AND KEEP SHOTJACKING A LA KOBE.......... JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY..... SO THEY DONT GO "HE DIDNT TRY"....[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: right just like Ortiz would beat Mayweather if he gets his rematch :oldlol:
[QUOTE=pauk]
[B]Why only FINALS? Are you telling me Lebron would have played AMAZING and would have WON if he met the MAVS in the 1st round instead? He played so great all of the sudden just because it wasnt THE ALMIGHTY SUPER SCARY FINALS? Do you see your crazy logic?[/B]
[/QUOTE]
You're right. He's done it in the ECSF too :roll:
Dude Lebron just had the worst series of his career. A career of 17 playoff series. You really think it has nothing to do with it being in the Finals against tougher competition?
[QUOTE=pauk]and how do u know how carmelo would perform in the finals when he has never been there or ever been close to be there?
he has managed to escape first round only once in his 8 years... the rest of those 7 years he got swept almost all the time in the first round....
im sick and tired of how you people act like Final Playoff series is completely different from any Playoff series.... like Finals is some raw, magical, superhuman "BIG STAGE" which makes THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD crumble in a corner and start crying like a girl......... just because it is... THE FINALS *in a very scary voice*...
[B]Why only FINALS? Are you telling me Lebron would have played AMAZING and would have WON if he met the MAVS in the 1st round instead? He played so great all of the sudden just because it wasnt THE ALMIGHTY SUPER SCARY FINALS? Do you see your crazy logic?[/B]
Lebron was simply out of scoring rythm at a horrible time, its as simple as that... that in a combination with a Team Defense which played him correctly and Facilitating made him play like he played.... really.... 18 PPG is POSSIBLE for Lebron in 3-6 games.... BELIEVE IT OR NOT.......... especially in a team where he has to share the ball with 2 super scorers........
IF THAT SERIES WAS REPLAYED.... RIGHT NOW.... BELIEVE YOU ME... AFTER ALL THIS CRITICISM..... LEBRON WOULD GO NUTS...... EVEN IF HE STILL WOULD BE OUT OF SCORING RYTHM.... HE WOULD BE SELFISH AND KEEP SHOTJACKING A LA KOBE.......... JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY..... SO THEY DONT GO "HE DIDNT TRY"....[/QUOTE]
i dont really care what your paragraphs say, you are a lebron rider and youre gonna justify anything he does.
im just saying that for the rest of us, its merely justifiable to assume that there are 6-8 players in the NBA who won't average 18 pts in a finals series.
I have only skimmed this thread so maybe it was mentioned but I can tell you the only reason Durant made Skip's list is b/c he is an admitted OKC homer. He lives in that city IIRC.
So some of you gonna say that Lebron isnt the top5 best player right now ? WOW just WOW!
People hate so much it makes them stupid!
Skip and Steven A are real life trolls. Period. No one in their right mind thinks LeBron is NOT in the top 5. Even people who hate the guy couldn't say that with a straight face. It's ridiculous.
LeBron not top 5. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]i dont really care what your paragraphs say, you are a lebron rider and youre gonna justify anything he does.
im just saying that for the rest of us, its merely justifiable to assume that there are 6-8 players in the NBA who won't average 18 pts in a finals series.[/QUOTE]
ofcourse you dont.... despite everything i said being the truth... mostly you dont listen because you know im right... and because you are a Lebron hater....
i dont justifty ANYTHING of lebron... he blowed in the Finals.... its not about justifying....
its about being REALISTIC...............
its about proving your STUPID LOGIC....
my point is that it simply being the "FINALS" has nothing to do with it like you suggest.......... ITS THE MAVS that made him play like he played....... just like how the MAVS made Kobe played........... THE BETTER TEAM WON... WHETHER IT WAS THE FINALS OR PRE-SEASON....
whether he would have faced them in the 1st round or in the Finals.... the outcome would have been the same............ not if the series was replayed but whatever....
my point is to show how stupid your logic is.......... you are sitting here and acting like Lebron would play like that against ANYBODY in the Finals....... just because..... IT IS THE FINALS *extremly scary voice*.....
if even the Cavs would play him in the FINALS.... he would be the same... just because IT IS THE FINALS *in super scary voice*.......... that is your logic...
:rolleyes:
FOR EXAMPLE.... I HATE KOBE.......... BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER CALL HIM A CHOKER OR HAVING NO HEART OR SOME BULLSHIT LIKE THAT....... BECAUSE HE HAS PROVED HE HAS THIS OVER AND OVER.......... JUST LIKE LEBRON HAS DONE.......
STOP WITH THAT BS.... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AMONGST THESE PLAYERS......... ITS AS SIMPLE AS KOBE & LEBRON SIMPLY HAVE AN OFF NIGHT.... MISS A SHOT... FACING A BETTER TEAM WHICH WINS...... AND SO ON.......
ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE................................. THIS IS PROFESSIONAL MENS BASKETBALL........ THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD........... NOT YOUR LOCAL GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL TEAM..........
[QUOTE=pauk]ofcourse you dont.... despite everything i said being the truth... mostly you dont listen because you know im right... and because you are a Lebron hater....
i dont justifty ANYTHING of lebron... he blowed in the Finals.... its not about justifying....
its about being REALISTIC...............
its about proving your STUPID LOGIC....
my point is that it simply being the "FINALS" has nothing to do with it like you suggest.......... ITS THE MAVS that made him play like he played....... just like how the MAVS made Kobe played........... THE BETTER TEAM WON... WHETHER IT WAS THE FINALS OR PRE-SEASON....
whether he would have faced them in the 1st round or in the Finals.... the outcome would have been the same............ not if the series was replayed but whatever....
my point is to show how stupid your logic is.......... you are sitting here and acting like Lebron would play like that against ANYBODY in the Finals....... just because..... IT IS THE FINALS *extremly scary voice*.....
if even the Cavs would play him in the FINALS.... he would be the same... just because IT IS THE FINALS *in super scary voice*.......... that is your logic...
:rolleyes:
FOR EXAMPLE.... I HATE KOBE.......... BUT I WOULD [B]NEVER EVER CALL HIM A CHOKER OR HAVING NO HEART OR SOME BULLSHIT LIKE THAT....... BECAUSE HE HAS PROVED HE HAS THIS OVER AND OVER.......... JUST LIKE LEBRON HAS DONE....... [/B]STOP WITH THAT BS.... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AMONGST THESE PLAYERS......... ITS AS SIMPLE AS KOBE & LEBRON SIMPLY HAVE AN OFF NIGHT.... MISS A SHOT... FACING A BETTER TEAM WHICH WINS...... AND SO ON.......
ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE................................. THIS IS PROFESSIONAL MENS BASKETBALL........ THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD........... NOT YOUR LOCAL GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL TEAM..........[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: When has Lebron proved that he's not a choker? serious
question, dude averaged 18 ppg in the finals, thats 9 fewer points than he
averaged in the regualr season which is the largest drop off in NBA history [url]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=626493[/url].
Lebron's a great player, but in no way is he as good as you make him out
to be, you can't be the 3rd leading scorer on your team in the Finals, lose
the series in 6 games and still be considered the best player in the leauge.
wth
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]i dont really care what your paragraphs say, you are a lebron rider and youre gonna justify anything he does.
im just saying that for the rest of us, its merely justifiable to assume that there are 6-8 players in the NBA who won't average 18 pts in a finals series.[/QUOTE]
Really what about the whole process before the finals, the season isn't just 4-7 games. melo has never been there, kobe isn't gonna get there anymore, dwight got there once and lost to the hawks in the first round this year. Wade wouldn't have gotten to the finals had lebron not carried him in the ECF.
U can't just say I can think of 8 players who could average more than 18pts in the finals when 6 of those players didn't even make the finals to begin with this past season.
Lebron is, was and will be the best player whenever the next season starts.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]:rolleyes: When has Lebron proved that he's not a choker? serious
question, dude averaged 18 ppg in the finals, thats 9 fewer points than he
averaged in the regualr season which is the largest drop off in NBA history [url]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=626493[/url].
Lebron's a great player, but in no way is he as good as you make him out
to be, you can't be the 3rd leading scorer on your team in the Finals, lose
the series in 6 games and still be considered the best player in the leauge.[/QUOTE]
Wade was the third leading scorer on the team in the ECF but I guess that doesn't matter right? wade is still the best player in the league correct?
You can watch the morons again and again and again.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXsLimrMRk[/url]
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]:rolleyes: [B][U] When has Lebron proved that he's not a choker?[/U][/B] serious
question, dude averaged 18 ppg in the finals, thats 9 fewer points than he
averaged in the regualr season which is the largest drop off in NBA history [url]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=626493[/url].
Lebron's a great player, but in no way is he as good as you make him out
to be, you can't be the 3rd leading scorer on your team in the Finals, lose
the series in 6 games and still be considered the best player in the leauge.[/QUOTE]
please dont tell me you are serious? if you say YES... be prepared for a very long post of VIDEOS and FACTS .... which will even prove that your man Kobe has "CHOKED" even more actually (***ing hate that kobetard word but anyways).....
When you don't have the hardware, you have to fight tooth and nail for any spot on irrelevant ranking lists just to make you feel better.
[QUOTE=Nash]You can watch the morons again and again and again.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXsLimrMRk[/url][/QUOTE]
with their logic ("Lebron cant shoot like Kevin Durant, he cant hit freethrows like Kevin Durant... thats why i have him above")... REGGIE MILLER > MICHAEL JORDAN
i dont even know why im caring....
who the **** listens to anything Skip Bayless has to say?
i wouldnt give a **** if he had Lebron at #1.... its not about that... its about his STUPIDITY / IGNORANCE / COCKINESS / DELUSION......
i just cant understand how this man has this job...... where they THAT desperate?
he is a real life TROLL....
[QUOTE=Phong]When you don't have the hardware, you have to fight tooth and nail for any spot on irrelevant ranking lists just to make you feel better.[/QUOTE]
U think lebron isn't top 5?
[QUOTE=asdf1990]U think lebron isn't top 5?[/QUOTE]
dude u are talking to PHONG..... the most epic lebron hater ever... he shits on skip bayless... :roll:
he doesnt have lebron anywhere near top 10 :lol
[QUOTE=pauk]dude u are talking to PHONG..... the most epic lebron hater ever... he shits on skip bayless... :roll:
he doesnt have lebron anywhere near top 10 :lol[/QUOTE]
There is this guy on youtube, who I think is RG, ranted about ESPN's top 10. Here is what he came up with:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Dwight Howard
3. Derrick Rose
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Dwyane Wade
6. LeBron James
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Chris Paul
9. Rajon Rondo
10. Carmelo Anthony
He said that Derrick Rose could also be #1..... Yeah I think it's RG...
[QUOTE=asdf1990]U think lebron isn't top 5?[/QUOTE]I think I don't give a shit about any list. Is it some kind of achievement I should care about? Why do you care?
[QUOTE=Phong]I think I don't give a shit about any list. Is it some kind of achievement I should care about? Why do you care?[/QUOTE]
I am just curious do u or no? just trying to get a trolls perspective.
[QUOTE=asdf1990]I am just curious do u or no? just trying to get a trolls perspective.[/QUOTE]No. Great stat padder who chokes so much that his fans need excuses every year for his failures. Please...
Now answer my question. Why do you care so much about where LeBron ranks?
Hilarious how the people who call LeBron a "statpadder" often are fans of Kobe and Melo. :roll:
Hilarious how LeBron fans argue so much over irrelevant lists cause their idol has no rings. :roll:
They know Skip, and yet they get butthurt every time he opens his mouth. :roll:
Those guys are idiots. Even though Lebron doesn't have any rings, he's still one of the top 2 players in the league, if not the best player IMO.
Carmelo and Kevin Durant have never even made the NBA finals. Obviously the lists aren't based on the playoffs, so LeBron should certainly be on there (2 regular season MVP's compared to zero for Melo and Durant combined :roll: )
[QUOTE=RRR3]Carmelo and Kevin Durant have never even made the NBA finals. Obviously the lists aren't based on the playoffs, so LeBron should certainly be on there (2 regular season MVP's compared to zero for Melo and Durant combined :roll: )[/QUOTE]
You talking about RG's list ?
[QUOTE=RRR3]Skip's. And again proving Phong is an idiot.[/QUOTE]Who's the idiot who fights over irrelevant lists? :roll:
[QUOTE=RRR3]Who's the idiot who is desperately trying to convince himself LeBron isn't top 5 in the NBA right now? :roll:[/QUOTE]I don't feel the need to convince anybody of anything, even less myself. Gave my opinion because somebody asked. Take it or leave it. Instead you can't leave it. The idea that LeBron is not beloved by everybody really annoys you.
Do you feel better about LeBron failing in the Finals since ESPN released their list? Do you think LeBron feels any better?
Like I said, only people who don't have the hardware fight over irrelevant lists.
How can any real basketball fan watch this show?
[QUOTE=Phong]Hilarious how LeBron fans argue so much over irrelevant lists cause their idol has no rings. :roll:
They know Skip, and yet they get butthurt every time he opens his mouth. :roll:[/QUOTE]
what the hell does a players achievements from 2, 4, 6 or 8 years ago have to do with how good he is now? for lack of a better term, thats idiocracy....................
the criteria is simple.......... who makes his teammates better on a consistent basis, and who produces more wins for his team than any other player in the league......... LeBron James and Dwight Howard by virtue of setting foot on a basketball court make their teams better, and when you break down their offensive possessions, defense, and statistical plus minus they produce so many wins for their teams that they virtually occupy a space all to their own as players.............
In the discussion of who is the best player in the NBA you look into “who is the player that brings it in the most facets to the game of team basketball most often?” ............ In other words, who’s the most consistent?
when you look at a night in and night out basis, last year LeBron James and Dwight Howard were your most consistent NBA players throughout the season............... Both LeBron James and Dwight Howard had nights where they didn’t perform at a high level, but more often than not they were the best player in the NBA on that given night from an all around standpoint......