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[QUOTE=gabepizza]It's on a player to player basis. Some Euroleague stars like Scola, Anthony Parker, Prigioni, etc...become solid NBA role players/back-ups. With Spanoulis he was one of those players who believed that since they were a star in Europe they should be respected like stars in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Ginobili even became a star in his own right, although I guess he's the only true example of that.
[QUOTE=LJJ]Ginobili even became a star in his own right, although I guess he's the only true example of that.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah I forgot about him. He is the only example of a player who was a star in Euroleague and came over and became a star in the NBA.
[QUOTE=gabepizza]Oh yeah I forgot about him. He is the only example of a player who was a star in Euroleague and came over and became a star in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
He is the only example if you don't consider players like Stojakovic , Gasol , Kirilenko or Petrovic stars , there are players that are playing better in NBA than in Euroleague but aren't considered stars like Pekovic ( I think he is top 5 C and because of that consider him a star but you probably wouldn't agree if I said he is a star ) , Rubio , Dragic etc. and you have players that play just as good in EL and NBA like Shved for example . Spanoulis could play in NBA just as good as in EL ( don't know if that would be good enough to be considered a star ) but unlike Pekovic he doesn't want to wait for a chance while players he's better than are playing .
[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]He is the only example if you don't consider players like Stojakovic , Gasol , Kirilenko or Petrovic stars , there are players that are playing better in NBA than in Euroleague but aren't considered stars like Pekovic ( I think he is top 5 C and because of that consider him a star but you probably wouldn't agree if I said he is a star ) , Rubio , Dragic etc. and you have players that play just as good in EL and NBA like Shved for example . Spanoulis could play in NBA just as good as in EL ( don't know if that would be good enough to be considered a star ) but unlike Pekovic he doesn't want to wait for a chance while players he's better than are playing .[/QUOTE]
Once again, gabepizza is a troll. Why do you even bother? The guy is a liar and a troll. Remember he was saying Pekovic could never play in the NBA, then that he would never be more than a 3rd string player.
Then when he got to play he said, "it's only because he finally had real coaches in the NBA and they made him improve by leaps and bounds."
This guy gabepizza is a ****ing dick.
[quote=Fiba basketball]He is the only example if you don't consider players like Stojakovic , Gasol , Kirilenko or Petrovic stars , there are players that are playing better in NBA than in Euroleague but aren't considered stars like Pekovic ( I think he is top 5 C and because of that consider him a star but you probably wouldn't agree if I said he is a star ) , Rubio , Dragic etc. and you have players that play just as good in EL and NBA like Shved for example . Spanoulis could play in NBA just as good as in EL ( don't know if that would be good enough to be considered a star ) but unlike Pekovic he doesn't want to wait for a chance while players he's better than are playing .[/quote]
Stojakovic, Gasol and Kirilenko all came to the NBA very young, years before they reached basketball maturity. Same goes for those lesser players, players who come to the NBA as high prized prospects don't really count. I'm talking about players who are supposed to be in their prime.
So that's a different situation. I'm talking about a guy like Ginobili who was an established superstar in Europe for years before he came to the NBA. The only other guy like that is Petrovic I guess, although the sample size with him is too small.
Pekovich is a question mark at this point, but he might get there also.
[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]He is the only example if you don't consider players like Stojakovic , Gasol , . or Petrovic stars , there are players that are playing better in NBA than in Euroleague but aren't considered stars like Pekovic ( I think he is top 5 C and because of that consider him a star but you probably wouldn't agree if I said he is a star ) , Rubio , Dragic etc. and you have players that play just as good in EL and NBA like Shved for example . Spanoulis could play in NBA just as good as in EL ( don't know if that would be good enough to be considered a star ) but unlike Pekovic he doesn't want to wait for a chance while players he's better than are playing .[/QUOTE]
Yes I forgot about Stojakovic, Petrovic and Gasol. AK47 came over to the NBA when he was 20 and was not a Euroleague star yet, unless you're counting last year.
Pekovic is not an NBA star, he is not even in discussion for an All-star birth.
About Spanoulis, every 12th man on every team believes they are better than the players ahead of them getting minutes, if not they should not even be suiting up.
[QUOTE=gabepizza]Yes I forgot about Stojakovic, Petrovic and Gasol. AK47 came over to the NBA when he was 20 and was not a Euroleague star yet, unless you're counting last year.
Pekovic is not an NBA star, he is not even in discussion for an All-star birth.
About Spanoulis, every 12th man on every team believes they are better than the players ahead of them getting minutes, if not they should not even be suiting up.[/QUOTE] Just because you don't think Pekovic is a top 5 C it doesn't mean he isn't . Spanoulis is underrated here because of Euroleague ( the poster ) but he is better than Rubio , Shved or Dragic and that's a fact , that's like saying Lebron is better than MWP , you can't argue that . Go to any forum about European basketball or ask some people that follow it and they will tell you that too .
[QUOTE=LJJ]Stojakovic, Gasol and Kirilenko all came to the NBA very young, years before they reached basketball maturity. [/QUOTE] I don't agree with this ( well maybe you are right for Kirilenko ) , do you know how they played Europe ?
[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Just because you don't think Pekovic is a top 5 C it doesn't mean he isn't . Spanoulis is underrated here because of Euroleague ( the poster ) but he is better than Rubio , Shved or Dragic and that's a fact , that's like saying Lebron is better than MWP , you can't argue that . Go to any forum about European basketball or ask some people that follow it and they will tell you that too .[/QUOTE]
Howard, Noah, Horford, Jefferson, Bosh, Chandler, Love, Gasol, Cousins, Lopez, Monroe, Vucevic, and Varejao to name a few.
And as for Spanoulis, in Europe he was better. The NBA is a different game, more suited to a player like Rubio and Dragic. Spanoulis played a full season in the NBA and did not impress.
[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]I don't agree with this ( well maybe you are right for Kirilenko ) , do you know how they played Europe ?[/QUOTE]
I guess it's not fair to them to say they weren't stars in Europe, but Gasol and Stojakovic both left Europe when they were 20. They were very young talents who came to the NBA and grew into their potential.
Ginobili on the other hand was already (at least supposedly) in his prime in Europe. It's just a very different situation. No player other than Ginobili made the switch in his prime and maintained a star presence.
[QUOTE=gabepizza]Howard, Noah, Horford, Jefferson, Bosh, Chandler, Love, Gasol, Cousins, Lopez, Monroe, Vucevic, and Varejao to name a few.
And as for Spanoulis, in Europe he was better. The NBA is a different game, more suited to a player like Rubio and Dragic. Spanoulis played a full season in the NBA and did not impress.[/QUOTE] We clearly disagree about Pekovic ( or maybe on how good are guys you named ) but let's take that to NBA part of the forum . Spanoulis is better than them in any league , Pekovic played full NBA season and didn't impress but in his second he did so that argument isn't very good .
[QUOTE=LJJ]I guess it's not fair to them to say they weren't stars in Europe, but Gasol and Stojakovic both left Europe when they were 20. They were very young talents who came to the NBA and grew into their potential.
Ginobili on the other hand was already (at least supposedly) in his prime in Europe. It's just a very different situation. No player other than Ginobili made the switch in his prime and maintained a star presence.[/QUOTE]
Well Ginobili played for best coach so that helped him . There is anothere player that was star in Europe and played good in NBA but I don't know if he can be called a star , Kukoc .