Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?

[QUOTE=pegasus]Varejao got that contract because of his energy and hustle play, especially on the defensive end and on the boards, not because Lebron turned him into a 18/10 player or something.:lol In fact, all of his numbers went up after Lebron left. He had less than 1 more shot per game, and averaged 0.5 more points, but also 2 more rebounds per game. That's what happens when you don't have a stat-padder on your team snatching rebounds out of your hands. And he would had better numbers had he not gotten injured.

Mo had already averaged 17.3 and 17.2 in his last two years in Milwaukee. He averaged 17.8 (wow, what an increase!!) in his first year in Cleveland, then went down to 15.8 in his second year. Yeah, Lebron really helped him become a better player.:facepalm[/QUOTE]

lol and their teams sucked.

Mo is currently a 4th option on a team that won 32 games. f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking awesome

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]lol and their teams sucked.

Mo is currently a 4th option on a team that won 32 games. f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking awesome[/QUOTE]

Third option behind Griffin and Gordon. Clippers plays in the stacked Western Conference. Will do much better this year (playoff potential).

Anything else?

They should keep him, and give him a chance to show what he can do while he is fully healthy.

[QUOTE=pegasus]Third option behind Griffin and Gordon. Clippers plays in the stacked Western Conference. Will do much better this year (playoff potential).

Anything else?[/QUOTE]

thats only because Kaman was hurt.

still would pick Kaman over Mo Williams without hesitation.

lets face it. Mo Williams and Varejao without Lebron are basically Group Home without DJ Premier

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]thats only because Kaman was hurt.

still would pick Kaman over Mo Williams without hesitation.

lets face it. Mo Williams and Varejao without Lebron are basically Group Home without DJ Premier[/QUOTE]

Well, they're decent role players. The problem for Cleveland was that they had to be the 2nd and 3rd best players.

Varejao would be great for just about any contender though. Miami might have won it all with him last year.

[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Well, they're decent role players. The problem for Cleveland was that they had to be the 2nd and 3rd best players.

Varejao would be great for just about any contender though. Miami might have won it all with him last year.[/QUOTE]
I think you could argue they would of won it all with any decent 5 man to be honest.

Which is why Riley wants that center this summer.

[QUOTE=RRR3]\
Chalmers will be solid IMO. I think he grew a lot during the playoffs. Where's Bosh BTW?[/QUOTE]

I started off with a starting 5 and the guys they would have coming off the bench. So I was cutting and pasting and must have missed it.

Its not that I don't think he will make the rotation...

[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Well, they're decent role players. The problem for Cleveland was that they had to be the 2nd and 3rd best players.

Varejao would be great for just about any contender though. Miami might have won it all with him last year.[/QUOTE]

they both sucked in the playoffs.

Mo Williams and Varejoa could win a title while playing heavy minutes by playing next to Dwight in Orlando or Dirk in Dallas and thats basically it.

[quote=The Iron Fist]They need to sign him to a long term deal.

[Heat]Just wait til Miller and Haslem get back, its title time![/morons][/quote]

Yet the Heat played much better when they were healthier.

Meanwhile Lakers fans all season 'just wait til we turn up a gear in the playoffs!'

GTFO

[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]I appreciate the link. I don't think he knows exactly what he is talking about though since he says the Bulls would go after Mike Miller and that they might get Nene. Yeah right. It sounds like the CBA changed A LOT. After reading the article, I think its a worse idea now. It would only open up ~2M in salary and allow Mia to offer Dalembert 5M rather than 3M. I say if Dalembert wants to play for Mia let him play for 3M. Paying Miller 29M to save 2M this year is crazy to me. Dalembert has 50 family members that live in the area. If he wants to come and win a title let him win it for 3M. Then they can sign anyone they want for the minimum so if GHill or TMac are game to play limited minutes great.

I actually REALLY like Norris Cole and think he might be their starting PG (over Chalmers) by midseason.

That would make the rotation:

Chalmers/Cole
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
Miller
Haslem
Dalembert
TMac/GHill
Anthony

That would be really nasty.[/QUOTE]


Doesn't look like they are going to do it. It wouldn't make sense at all:

[I]If they were so inclined, they could use the new amnesty clause to part with someone like Miller and get his $5.4 million off the cap books for this coming season, but those familiar with Miami

[QUOTE=pegasus]Varejao got that contract because of his energy and hustle play, especially on the defensive end and on the boards, not because Lebron turned him into a 18/10 player or something.:lol In fact, all of his numbers went up after Lebron left. He had less than 1 more shot per game, and averaged 0.5 more points, but also 2 more rebounds per game. That's what happens when you don't have a stat-padder on your team snatching rebounds out of your hands. And he would had better numbers had he not gotten injured.

Mo had already averaged 17.3 and 17.2 in his last two years in Milwaukee. He averaged 17.8 (wow, what an increase!!) in his first year in Cleveland, then went down to 15.8 in his second year. Yeah, Lebron really helped him become a better player.:facepalm[/QUOTE]

you still don't realise it is Kobe who is known for not passing the ball not Lebron or Wade

idiot troll:facepalm :lol :lol

Mike is as good as he's been. He just can't stay healthy. He gets banged up every 3rd practice.

Miller to Nets for trade exception and cap space.
Or to the Hawks for a trade exception (from Josh Childress trade).

Heat then do a sign and trade for Dalembert.

[QUOTE=RRR3]You're stupidity amazes me more every day. Mike Miller IS a spot-up shooter, he wasn't "turned into one". :facepalm Mo Williams was shit before LBJ, and is shit w/o him. There's one player.[/QUOTE]
Actually before he got to Cleveland he was putting the same or slightly better stats in Milwaukee for two years.

After LeBron left he sucked in Cleveland, then when he went to the Clippers his play picked up because he wasn't so depressed.

Dumblebert sucks, Miller is good when healthy. If he is healthy he will stay. Unless they need to buy him out to sign a centre with low post skills. Who doesnt exist at Miami price.
So I imagine team will be the same with Cole taking Bibby's minutes.
66 games isnt much time to fiddle with team too much.

obviously with the configured agreement , it's in the best interest to keep him.
But I've got something to say about Miller ...
Time after time he camped out at the two or three ,and wasn't moving at all.
When I saw that last season , it very much looked like a player NOT comfortable playing with the big three.

Coach S. has to start getting him rotating more on 'off ball rotations' so that it confuses the defense , and opens up more shot selections for Wade and Lebron , as well as Miller sliding off defenders.

If you don't follow - think of Miller acting more like a decoy , and creating offense for his teammates as well as him self.

I still think on the defensive side his is average at best , and Coach S. needs to find the correct mix for him.
Under rated rebounder , which pretty much shows he plays more like a stretch 3 than a 2.
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Any trade partner with the Heat - Heat will always be on the short end of any deal now.

[QUOTE=G-train]66 games isnt much time to fiddle with team too much.[/QUOTE]'

Think of the typical trade deadline .... of all teams (Heat are veteran enough - to fiddle with 15-25 minute men)

[quote=Jasper]

Think of the typical trade deadline .... of all teams (Heat are veteran enough - to fiddle with 15-25 minute men)[/quote]

Given chemistry issues already last year to bring in another starter or 2 it wouldnt be favourable.

[QUOTE=G-train]Given chemistry issues already last year to bring in another starter or 2 it wouldnt be favourable.[/QUOTE]
They are projected to bring in Dalem'bert. (he would I suspect start over Anthony)

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Or that Wade is the leader. It's Wade's team. So, LeBron loses some points for that ring he will get. Wade will get all the credit.

LeBron can't win, even if he does win.[/QUOTE]

Sad but true. That's the unfair criticism you take when playing alongside another elite who is at worst equal to you.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Pretty much.

Every team in the league would want this is guy on their team, regardless who the "leader" is. Whoever denies that or brings up exactly what you said is lying to themseleves.

The Heat come 2 wins aways from winning a title, yet he will never win? Right...[/QUOTE]
hi im. I'm Charles barkley and I came within two wins from winning a title.

Hi, we're john Stockton and Karl Malone and we also came within two wins for a title.

[QUOTE=G-train]Dumblebert sucks, Miller is good when healthy. If he is healthy he will stay. Unless they need to buy him out to sign a centre with low post skills. Who doesnt exist at Miami price.
So I imagine team will be the same with Cole taking Bibby's minutes.
66 games isnt much time to fiddle with team too much.[/QUOTE]

Dalembert is overrated I agree. People acting like he's the answer to the Heat's problems, but I've heard nothing but complaints about him from the fans of whatever team he goes to. Plus he's probably going to hit a sharp decline. The Heat should focus on young athletic big men with room to improve.

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Dalembert is overrated I agree. People acting like he's the answer to the Heat's problems, but I've heard nothing but complaints about him from the fans of whatever team he goes to. Plus he's probably going to hit a sharp decline. The Heat should focus on young athletic big men with room to improve.[/QUOTE]
6'ers for example ..
he isn't the answer to Heats long term 5 issues .. he will be a 20-25 minute guy to help Anthony and Udonis until their rook can play 20+ minutes a game.

[quote=Jasper]They are projected to bring in Dalem'bert. (he would I suspect start over Anthony)[/quote]

Anthony is superior to Dumbles. Anthony plays great D, hustles like rodman and plays within his own ability. Anthony would start.

[QUOTE=G-train]Anthony is superior to Dumbles. Anthony plays great D, hustles like rodman and plays within his own ability. Anthony would start.[/QUOTE]

You sound ridiculous.

[QUOTE=D-Wade316]The Heat management should keep Miller. He was injured throughout the season. It's sad that we never saw how we would fit in the offense. He can score, defend, and rebound. [B]They would have a hard time finding someone who can replace Miller[/B].[/QUOTE]

If I was Pat Riley, I would get rid of Miller after his contract is up, and sign free agent Chuck Hayes if he chooses to leave Houston to improve Miami's post defense.

Chuck Hayes >> Mike Miller.

It's not like they're getting Dalembert to increase TV numbers in the plethora of Haitian households in Miami/Dade.....maybe they just really think he's the best option. They can't afford Chandler or other better centers, can they ?

[quote=PJR]You sound ridiculous.[/quote]

To the average dumbass maybe. I know good winning bball and just crap bball that looks ok on bad teams.

Anthony is always near the top of Miami's player rating system, that is an extremely detailed system.

[QUOTE=RRR3][B]You're stupidity[/B] amazes me more every day. Mike Miller IS a spot-up shooter, he wasn't "turned into one". :facepalm Mo Williams was shit before LBJ, and is shit w/o him. There's one player.[/QUOTE]

What about you'rs?:lol

And how dare you say no one is equal to him, when he choked the way he did in the finals? When you buy a car, do you only care about how flashy and fast it is, or do you also care whether or not it can take you to your final destination?

[QUOTE=G-train]Anthony is superior to Dumbles. Anthony plays great D, hustles like rodman and plays within his own ability. Anthony would start.[/QUOTE]

He played great for them last season, but it went unnoticed. I hope Miami signs Dalembert, and he takes minutes away from Anthony, because that's gonna make them worse.

[QUOTE=RRR3]When all else fails, point out typos in the other person's sentences. [B]That'll learn 'em[/B]. "How dare I?" :roll: Are you insulted? Calm down.[/QUOTE]
I'm not insulted, but your English teacher is.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=RRR3]No one in the NBA is equal to LeBron. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


Thats true.

Everyone gives a full effort for the entire game in the most important games of the season, the NBA finals.

LOL @ Pegasus accusing LeBron of holding back players that were 2nd options on non-playoff teams and who went on to record a historic losing streak without him.

[QUOTE=G-train]Anthony is superior to Dumbles. Anthony plays great D, hustles like rodman and plays within his own ability. Anthony would start.[/QUOTE]

Dalembert does everything better in pretty much every area apart from man to man but even thats close. Dalembert can have 15 and 15 type games. Anthony can not get close to that....but as a C duo they will be a good combo.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Mike is as good as he's been. He just can't stay healthy. He gets banged up every 3rd practice.[/QUOTE]


I think you have a point there. He seems to be the kind of player who hustles hard all the time and therefore gets banged up very often. But I kinda like him for that.. Miami needs players like that.

Miami needs to get a decent center and then they should be fine with or without Miller.

And about Lebron making other players worse: I don't remember how many times he dished Anthony, Ilgauskas or Dampier beautiful assists but they weren't able to make easy baskets!! So I'd say any center that can actually catch a ball and dunk it will be very happy to have Lebron in his team.

Dampier can catch and dunk so long as you give him the pass above his waist.

Anything lower and he will fumble it away.

[QUOTE=kentatm]Dampier can catch and dunk so long as you give him the pass above his waist.

Anything lower and he will fumble it away.[/QUOTE]

True, in fact he was the only one of the 3 centers who did that successfully every once in a while. But even Dampier missed some easy baskets, since he's not quick/explosiv enough anymore...
Anthony on the other hand is a great athlete but he's got terrible hands. And Ilgauskas doesn't even bother to get anywhere near the rim.

Heat needs some size when they play againts taller teams in the playoffs. Anthony should come off the bench. Dalembert is a better offensive player, better rebounder, and better shot blocker than the 6'7" Joel
Anthony.

I think they should keep him. He was a battling nagging injuries last year, pretty sure he had some family issues as well. When he is healthy he is as good of a player coming off the bench as you could get. He can get his own shot, he can create for teammates, and he's a great 3 shooter. Even just the year before this one when he was in Washington he put up 11/6/4 on 50/48/82.

It makes sense financially to jettisoned him via the amnesty. I'd imagine they try to trade him first though(to a team with capspace).

[QUOTE=Simple Jack]LOL @ Pegasus accusing LeBron of holding back players that were 2nd options on non-playoff teams and who went on to record a historic losing streak without him.[/QUOTE]

How many times does this need to be explained to you Lebonbons?

Due to some of their other key players leaving, and some of them being injured for the majority of the season, their entire roster changed last year. It wasn't like just Lebron left and they kept the same team. If you think Lebron's impact is that great, then how come Miami failed to meet the expectations even just in the regular season (I won't even mention the finals), despite adding Lebron AND Bosh?

Plus, that historic losing streak team was still enough to beat your almighty Heat in their last match up of the season. Even they were enough to scare Lebron and make him play hot-potato in the fourth quarter. :lol