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[QUOTE=97 bulls]The heat still need a big, and have no bench and pg. [/QUOTE]
If Miami starts Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Bosh and Anthony then they'll have Battier, Jones, Miller and Haslem coming off the bench. That's not great, but it's not horrible like last season. The Bulls will have Korver, Gibson, Brewer and Asik. That's better, but not remarkably so.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]They're a good team. It's just that it's going to come down again to Rose having to be the best player in four games out of seven against Miami. The problem is that Miami has two players that are, at the very least, as good as Rose is.[/QUOTE]
Are people still holding onto this "star player" slant after the Finals?
RIP sucks and is washed up. Bulls will never win a title with this current team.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]They're a good team. It's just that it's going to come down again to Rose having to be the best player in four games out of seven against Miami. The problem is that Miami has two players that are, at the very least, as good as Rose is.[/QUOTE]
Which is why we needed a competant SG. Just think of all those open shots bogans missed. Korvers defense affected his offense. I don't see that being a problem with hamiton.
I just hope thibs utilizes boozer in the post more. As well as in pick and roll situations with rose.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]If Miami starts Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Bosh and Anthony then they'll have Battier, Jones, Miller and Haslem coming off the bench. That's not great, but it's not horrible like last season. The Bulls will have [SIZE="4"]Scals[/SIZE], Korver, Gibson, Brewer and Asik. That's better, and [I][B]remarkably[/B][/I] so.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Go Getter]Are people still holding onto this "star player" slant after the Finals?[/QUOTE]
Well, the Bulls dont have the shooting the Mavs had in the finals. The Mavs also had several players that could create offense (Dirk, Barea, Terry, Kidd). In comparison, the Bulls have one player (Rose) that can regularly create his shot or others shots. I guess Boozer can create his own shot but I don't think he can do so consistently.
The Bulls will win a ton or regular season games. However, due offensive limitations, I just dont see them winning a title.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Who did the Heat beat in the playoffs?[/QUOTE]
I don't get it. What does what miami did last year have to do with this year?
But ill bite. They beat, philly, boston and chicago
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I don't get it. What does what miami did last year have to do with this year?
But ill bite. They beat, philly, boston and chicago[/QUOTE]
They beat Chicago...so Chicago was Rip Hamilton away from beating them in a series? Ok
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]If Miami starts Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Bosh and Anthony then they'll have Battier, Jones, Miller and Haslem coming off the bench. That's not great, but it's not horrible like last season. The Bulls will have Korver, Gibson, Brewer and Asik. That's better, but not remarkably so.[/QUOTE]
Your right. With haslem, miller, battier, they're pretty solid. They still need a big and a backup PG
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]Well, the Bulls dont have the shooting the Mavs had in the finals. The Mavs also had several players that could create offense (Dirk, Barea, Terry, Kidd). In comparison, the Bulls have one player (Rose) that can regularly create his shot or others shots. I guess Boozer can create his own shot but I don't think he can do so consistently.
The Bulls will win a ton or regular season games. However, due offensive limitations, I just dont see them winning a title.[/QUOTE]
We might not have a lot of creators but we have a lot of good passers like Noah, Boozer, Brewer, Deng.
We won 62 games and went to the WCF with a 4 point scorer in the starting lineup I don't know how he will upgrade the team but we're better with his shot making ability I'll tell you that.
And it's not like we can't still upgrade more.
[QUOTE=GOBB]They beat Chicago...so Chicago was Rip Hamilton away from beating them in a series? Ok[/QUOTE]
Not a RIP Hamilton away but some more maturing (are two anchors on O and D are young), some more gelling, some more time for Thibs and crew to create some better plays, etc, etc.
good pick up for chicago. damn
[QUOTE=GOBB]They beat Chicago...so Chicago was Rip Hamilton away from beating them in a series? Ok[/QUOTE]
I say that in a sense that as kurosaw stated, the general understanding on how to play the bulls is to make someone else besides rose beat you. Which leaves players open. Hamilton has proven he's capable of hitting that open shot. Korver could too, but not vs miami cuz his defense is so bad. And the effort he must expend defending wade or james, has an adverse effect on his shot
Miami was 2 games from winning the whole thing. Aquiring Battier made them even more tougher on the perimeter defensively. I just dont see a dropoff roster wise from Miami this year vs last. And while Chicago as a team can gel, grow, mature etc etc. You cant deny Miami after 1 season together would do the same as a unit. Good luck in a series vs Miami.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]We might not have a lot of creators but we have a lot of good passers like Noah, Boozer, Brewer, Deng.
We won 62 games and went to the WCF with a 4 point scorer in the starting lineup I don't know how he will upgrade the team but we're better with his shot making ability I'll tell you that.
And it's not like we can't still upgrade more.[/QUOTE]
The Bulls have a good team but the lack of creators will hurt them. Noah is a good passer but can't create his shot and won't demand a double team. Therefore, his passing skills have a very minimal impact on the game. I don't agree that Brewer, Deng and Boozer are good passers.
The Bulls play great D and Rose is borderline unstoppable. They will be a tough out in a 7 game series. However, just like last year, the lack of scoring will hurt them.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Miami was 2 games from winning the whole thing. Aquiring Battier made them even more tougher on the perimeter defensively. I just dont see a dropoff roster wise from Miami this year vs last. And while Chicago as a team can gel, grow, mature etc etc. You cant deny Miami after 1 season together would do the same as a unit. Good luck in a series vs Miami.[/QUOTE]
Battier?!?!?
I know the lock out has been rough but your crazy.
Also, teams in the East are getting better and better and better. This includes the Knick's and Heat, primarily. The Bulls need to improve their roster and adding an aged RIP is not going to be enough. He is very similar to Korver except that he has a better mid-range shot.
[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN20]Battier?!?!?
I know the lock out has been rough but your crazy.[/QUOTE]
Battier is a very good role player, defender, shooter, high iq. It was a good signing.
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]Battier is a very good role player, defender, shooter, high iq. It was a good signing.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't put Miami over the top, at all.
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]Also, teams in the East are getting better and better and better. This includes the Knick's and Heat, primarily. The Bulls need to improve their roster and adding an aged RIP is not going to be enough. He is very similar to Korver except that he has a better mid-range shot.[/QUOTE]
I was ready to buy into the Knicks, but I can't. Not with Mike Bibby running the point. Miami had LeBron and a great defensive system to hide him. New York has none of that. Rose and Rondo will kill them.
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]Also, teams in the East are getting better and better and better. This includes the Knick's and Heat, primarily. The Bulls need to improve their roster and adding an aged RIP is not going to be enough. He is very similar to Korver except that he has a better mid-range shot.[/QUOTE]
Knicks? what the hell? No Boston? jeeeesus Tyson Chandler, huh?
[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN20]He doesn't put Miami over the top, at all.[/QUOTE]
They were 2 wins from an NBA title. Battier doesnt need to put them over the top genius. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]The Bulls have a good team but the lack of creators will hurt them. Noah is a good passer but can't create his shot and won't demand a double team. Therefore, his passing skills have a very minimal impact on the game. I don't agree that Brewer, Deng and Boozer are good passers.
The Bulls play great D and Rose is borderline unstoppable. They will be a tough out in a 7 game series. However, just like last year, the lack of scoring will hurt them.[/QUOTE]
You never know. Brewer can create and we have good spot up shooters in Deng, Rip, Watson, and Korver.
Noah, Taj, and Booz are great on the boards.
RIP is just a temp, that spot is open for upgrade.
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[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN20]Battier?!?!?
I know the lock out has been rough but your crazy.[/QUOTE]
Battier is exactly the kind of guy Miami needs. They don't need big names, they've got them. They need the guys who can defend, shoot and do the dirty work. Battier hits all three.
If Miami can have a lineup of Wade, Battier, LeBron, Bosh and Haslem to close games, they'll really tough defensively. Probably a better version of the team we saw in the ECF.
[QUOTE=GOBB]They were 2 wins from an NBA title. Battier doesnt need to put them over the top genius. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
If Miami meets Dallas again, I think Battier will try to defend Dirk, and fail miserably.
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]The Bulls have a good team but the lack of creators will hurt them. Noah is a good passer but can't create his shot and won't demand a double team. Therefore, his passing skills have a very minimal impact on the game. I don't agree that Brewer, Deng and Boozer are good passers.
The Bulls play great D and Rose is borderline unstoppable. They will be a tough out in a 7 game series. However, just like last year, the lack of scoring will hurt them.[/QUOTE]
The bulls have 2 guys that can get thir own shot in rose and boozer. Boozer can get his shots in the post. Thibs just doesn't utilize that aspect of boozers game nearly enough. When rose is taking a breather, and watson is in, thibs needs to run the offense through boozer. And have the shooters (watson, hamilton, and korver) surround him, with noah or asik playing weakside.
You don't need to haave 4-5 guys that can create for themselves. Especially when you have a defense like the bulls. The 1st threepeat bulls only had 2 guys that could create their own shot in jordan and pippen. How did that turn out?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]The bulls have 2 guys that can get thir own shot in rose and boozer. Boozer can get his shots in the post. Thibs just doesn't utilize that aspect of boozers game nearly enough. When rose is taking a breather, and watson is in, thibs needs to run the offense through boozer. And have the shooters (watson, hamilton, and korver) surround him, with noah or asik playing weakside.
You don't need to haave 4-5 guys that can create for themselves. Especially when you have a defense like the bulls. The 1st threepeat bulls only had 2 guys that could create their own shot in jordan and pippen. How did that turn out?[/QUOTE]
Jordan and Pippen are one of the best 1-2 combos in the history of Basketball. Carlos Boozer? Nah.
[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN20]Knicks? what the hell? No Boston? jeeeesus Tyson Chandler, huh?[/QUOTE]
Boston is older, slower and aged and they have been unable to improve their roster. They will be playing KG at the 5 and Ray Allen's stats have been dropping each and every year.
As for the Knick's, they gone a long long way towards fixing their defensive woes (constantly giving up layups and second chance points in the paint) by adding Chandler.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]RIP is just a temp, that spot is open for upgrade.[/QUOTE]
How exactly do you upgrade on RIP? Derrick Rose is going to get maxed and that will restrict Chicago to the mid level.
[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN20]Jordan and Pippen are one of the best 1-2 combos in the history of Basketball. Carlos Boozer? Nah.[/QUOTE]
That's and example. The feeling is that thwyre gonna be easy to defend due to not having enough iso guys.
That's not the way you play organized basketball. That's streetball.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]The bulls have 2 guys that can get thir own shot in rose and boozer. Boozer can get his shots in the post. Thibs just doesn't utilize that aspect of boozers game nearly enough. When rose is taking a breather, and watson is in, thibs needs to run the offense through boozer. And have the shooters (watson, hamilton, and korver) surround him, with noah or asik playing weakside.
You don't need to haave 4-5 guys that can create for themselves. Especially when you have a defense like the bulls. The 1st threepeat bulls only had 2 guys that could create their own shot in jordan and pippen. How did that turn out?[/QUOTE]
LoL, you are really comparing Pippen and Jordan to Rose and Boozer? Seriously?!?! Both Pippen and Jordan are substantially better than Rose and Boozer. It is not even close.
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]LoL, you are really comparing Pippen and Jordan to Rose and Boozer? Seriously?!?! Both Pippen and Jordan are substantially better than Rose and Boozer. It is not even close.[/QUOTE]
No, that was just an expample to show that you don't need a bunch of iso guys.
Always been a Rip Hamilton fan. I don't blame him for the fallout in Detroit and his lack of inspiration there toward the end. That organization went full retard when signing BG and Charlie V to those contracts.
Glad to have him in Chicago. He should really fit in with how the Bulls like to play, and he will benefit from having Rose and Boozer on the floor at the same time.
[QUOTE=GOBB]They were 2 wins from an NBA title. Battier doesnt need to put them over the top genius. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
And look how close the Bulls were to beating the Heat. Every game came down to the wire. You don't think Rip Hamilton puts the Bulls over the edge? But you think Battier puts the Heat over the hedge? You are delusional man. You used to be a decent poster back in the day, you have lost it GOBB. Maybe you need a SN change like me :D
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]Boston is older, slower and aged and they have been unable to improve their roster. They will be playing KG at the 5 and Ray Allen's stats have been dropping each and every year.
As for the Knick's, they gone a long long way towards fixing their defensive woes (constantly giving up layups and second chance points in the paint) by adding Chandler.[/QUOTE]
bro are you kidding me? Their roster post perkins trade is terrible compared to the 2011-2012 celtics. Brandon Bass can play center, Chris Wilcox is physical, Jeff Green will have a larger role this year, and Keyon Dooling is a good defender. Not to mention they resigned Marquis Daniels and still have Jermaine Oneal.
and last years celtics swept the knicks.
NBA fans say the same thing about Boston every year, it cracks me up
[QUOTE=NUPE_1911]Boston is older, slower and aged and they have been unable to improve their roster. They will be playing KG at the 5 and Ray Allen's stats have been dropping each and every year.
As for the Knick's, they gone a long long way towards fixing their defensive woes (constantly giving up layups and second chance points in the paint) by adding Chandler.[/QUOTE]
Never sleep on Boston. People have been saying that about us for a while, but we still come out elite in the season.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]That's and example. The feeling is that thwyre gonna be easy to defend due to not having enough iso guys.
That's not the way you play organized basketball. That's streetball.[/QUOTE]
It's not about iso guys so much as it is just about having talent. Kobe was the only guy who could iso for the Lakers, but they were able to run offense through post play too.
It's really about having several guys that can be the best player on the floor at any given time, no matter the opponent. You can talk about Dirk, but that's the exception, not the rule.
[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN20]bro are you kidding me? Their roster post perkins trade is terrible compared to the 2011-2012 celtics. Brandon Bass can play center, Chris Wilcox is physical, Jeff Green will have a larger role this year, and Keyon Dooling is a good defender. Not to mention they resigned Marquis Daniels and still have Jermaine Oneal.[/QUOTE]
All of that sounds good, but it doesn't matter. Boston isn't getting out of the East unless KG find the answer to time travel.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]All of that sounds good, but it doesn't matter. Boston isn't getting out of the East unless KG find the answer to time travel.[/QUOTE]
what the hell are you saying?
This is about NBA fans hyping the Knicks over the Celtics. in 2011, I expect people to have a little common sense by now.