[QUOTE=Pushxx]ACTUALLY HE DID...[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoGmMx8Ejrw[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pushxx]ACTUALLY HE DID...[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoGmMx8Ejrw[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Meticode]And Pippen never told anyone that.[/QUOTE]
So:confusedshrug:
I know it is only 1 play and early on in pips career maybe, but there was a pretty big strength difference with bird vs pippen. Maybe not in weight, but in strength. Even the chicago comentator said it about Pippen, "if Bird gets it down there it's over buddy". Some people just have a freak strength, call it farmboy strength or whatever, bird had unbelievably strong hands and was impossible to move. Bird would go into the trenches with guys like laimbeer and give out as much as he took. He was one mean, strong SOB who had no fear of anyone. I'm not trying to bash Pippen, as he was a very good player, but you seem to be underating bird here. Bird was and is a player considered as a greatest of all time candidate. Pippen although very good, was not in that category.
Bird. Sorry Scottie. On the court, nobody was more competitive than Larry Bird.
[QUOTE=barkleynash]I know it is only 1 play and early on in pips career maybe, but there was a pretty big strength difference with bird vs pippen. Maybe not in weight, but in strength. Even the chicago comentator said it about Pippen, "if Bird gets it down there it's over buddy". Some people just have a freak strength, call it farmboy strength or whatever, bird had unbelievably strong hands and was impossible to move. Bird would go into the trenches with guys like laimbeer and give out as much as he took. He was one mean, strong SOB who had no fear of anyone. I'm not trying to bash Pippen, as he was a very good player, but you seem to be underating bird here. Bird was and is a player considered as a greatest of all time candidate. Pippen although very good, was not in that category.[/QUOTE]
Scottie pippen was about 23 yrs old when bird hit that shot. Come on. I believe when he was drafted, he was 200lbs. By the time he hit his prime, he was a solid 230.
And you want to talk about farmboys, pippen was from a small town in arkansas.
Your arguing based on birds accomplishments and all-time rankings bro. The question was who would win in a 1 v 1 game, not whose ranked higher.
Bird
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Xavier Mcdaniel didn't get into pippens head[/QUOTE]
Yeah okay. :oldlol: Bird would certainly get into Pippen's head.
How would Bird shake off Pippen without any screens?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I'm not sure bird could beat gerald green in a game of 1 on 1.[/QUOTE]
Now i know your just a YOUNG Bulls fan...an elder statesman Bird would whip the snot out of a young Scottie Pippen in 1-on-1 situations and make it look easy.....:facepalm
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Yeah okay. :oldlol: Bird would certainly get into Pippen's head.[/QUOTE]
Oh give me a ****n break. Can you guys give pippen any respect? What the pistons and knicks did to pippen aand the bulls was physical not mental.
Wow your crazy
[QUOTE=bwink23]Now i know your just a YOUNG Bulls fan...an elder statesman Bird would whip the snot out of a young Scottie Pippen in 1-on-1 situations and make it look easy.....:facepalm[/QUOTE]
And your just as bonkers as he is. And obviously don't play basketball.
Pippen easily, Bird would be taking contested shots and you gonna tell me Bird will stay in front of Pip as he drives to the hole?:facepalm
Some of you guys don't know a damn thing about 1v1 ball.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Pippen easily, Bird would be taking contested shots and you gonna tell me Bird will stay in front of Pip as he drives to the hole?:facepalm
Some of you guys don't know a damn thing about 1v1 ball.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I don't know what runs through some of these peoples head. They're acting as if pippen would just allow bird to shoot wide open threes.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Again, your trying to take what bird did in a team setting and draw that as a conclusion to what he'd do 1 v 1. You can't do that bro.
I also don't see how you can say bird was stronger than pippen. Pippen was actuall a little bit bigger he was listed at 6'8 228lbs, bird was listed at 6'9 220. Pippen also had those insanely long arms too[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg[/url].....Larry Bird 33 points and making a mockery of 7'0 Brad Sellers and Scottie Pippen. Notice they even would put Sellers on Bird instead of Pippen when they were on the court at the same time, cuz of Seller's length...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOx36A48wU[/url]...about 5 minutes into the video...
As you can see, Bird has no problems shooting over Pippen....:D
[QUOTE=97 bulls]And your just as bonkers as he is. And obviously don't play basketball.[/QUOTE]
NO young lad, i do play ball...and yes, you NEVER saw Bird play Pippen in their careers...Bird past his prime would torch a young athletic Pippen many times. Bird's shot is near unblockable....you were just too young kid sorry.
No one in this thread has mentioned intangibles. Bird was one of the most driven and homicidally competitive players the league has ever seen. He was also one of the best clutch players as well. These things translate to all forms of basketball.
Bird would win, and by a comfortable margin.
[QUOTE=knightfall88]How would Bird shake off Pippen without any screens?[/QUOTE]
Easy, he wouldn't, Bird can try to back Pippen down but we are talking about one of the better defenders who ever played, good luck with that.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Easy, he wouldn't, Bird can try to back Pippen down but we are talking about one of the better defenders who ever played, good luck with that.[/QUOTE]
You were TOO YOUNG kid, move along. You don't know what your talking about....you'd have to actually have seen these guys matched up, which they did back in the day, and Pippen had all he could handle with Bird, trust me.
[QUOTE=bwink23][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg[/url].....Larry Bird 33 points and making a mockery of 7'0 Brad Sellers and Scottie Pippen. Notice they even would put Sellers on Bird instead of Pippen when they were on the court at the same time, cuz of Seller's length...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOx36A48wU[/url]...about 5 minutes into the video...
As you can see, Bird has no problems shooting over Pippen....:D[/QUOTE]
Don't be a fool. Scottie pippen was a rookie. And that's in a team setting. What about that can you not comprehend? It wasn't pippen vs bird one on one. And that was mainly bird dogging brad sellers anyway.
This is 1 v 1.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Don't be a fool. Scottie pippen was a rookie. And that's in a team setting. What about that can you not comprehend? It wasn't pippen vs bird one on one. And that was mainly bird dogging brad sellers anyway.
This is 1 v 1.[/QUOTE]
Bird routinely dogged Pippen...i don't respect your opinion on this matter, i can tell for a fact you've never seen these 2 matched up...sorry dude but you don't know what the hell your talking about. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=oolalaa]No one in this thread has mentioned intangibles. Bird was one of the most driven and homicidally competitive players the league has ever seen. He was also one of the best clutch players as well. These things translate to all forms of basketball.
Bird would win, and by a comfortable margin.[/QUOTE]
So was pippen. All you have to know about pippens drive is that he went from being a ball manger in college to an all-time great hofer. Bird left indiana cuz he couldn't cut it. Drive and inatngibles. Please.
[QUOTE=bwink23]Bird routinely dogged Pippen...i don't respect your opinion on this matter, i can tell for a fact you've never seen these 2 matched up...sorry dude but you don't know what the hell your talking about. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Bird didn't routinely dog pippen. He dogged sellers. Once pippen matured, pippen dogged bird.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Bird didn't routinely dog pippen. He dogged sellers. Once pippen matured, pippen dogged bird.[/QUOTE]
Like i said, you've never seen those games in the 80's, so you don't know what your talking about kid....:violin:
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[QUOTE=Pushxx]Go YouTube some Bird highlights. He gets a one inch step on his man and the shot is good...[/QUOTE]
This one of the key's to Bird's game he didn't need to get much separation to get his shot off. And he has a quick release and his shot and his ball fake looked pretty much the same. The NBA was filled with guys who thought Bird wouldn't get his shot against him. As for the idea that pump fakes wouldn't work in one on one, that seems ludicrous. So the strategy would let Bird shoot and hope you could get to it? Does that seem like a good strategy if it's two points behind the arc. James Worthy said he used to be mentally exhausted after playing a game against Bird, because your concentration needed to much greater than in an average game.
On the opposite end, I think Bird would have to play off Pippen which would give Pippen more uncontested shots.
[QUOTE=bwink23][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg[/url].....Larry Bird 33 points and making a mockery of 7'0 Brad Sellers and Scottie Pippen. Notice they even would put Sellers on Bird instead of Pippen when they were on the court at the same time, cuz of Seller's length...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOx36A48wU[/url]...about 5 minutes into the video...
As you can see, Bird has no problems shooting over Pippen....:D[/QUOTE]
Is this the shot you mean?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOx36A48wU#t=06m21s[/url]
If you at the following to a youtube link, you can go to exact point in the clip.
#t=00m00s
So if you add #t=02m30s to the URL, it go to 2 minutes, 30 seconds in.
The following is a good example of how Bird didn't need much space and gets his shot off at the 7 footer.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg#t=00m30s[/url]
[QUOTE=bwink23]You were TOO YOUNG kid, move along. You don't know what your talking about....you'd have to actually have seen these guys matched up, which they did back in the day, and Pippen had all he could handle with Bird, trust me.[/QUOTE]
I'm no kid, my first NBA Finals I saw was the Rockets/Celtics in 86.
I think the thing here is we got a lot of white old timers trying to prop one of their own, I'm not black nor white, I'm nuetral.
Read carefully, I'm not saying Pippen is a better player than Bird, IMO, Bird is top 5 GOAT player while Pip is top 20, but we are not talking 5v5 ball, in a 1v1 Pip wins because he's an elite athletic and long defender while Bird was avg at best at D, advantage Pippen.
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]This one of the key's to Bird's game he didn't need to get much separation to get his shot off. And he has a quick release and his shot and his ball fake looked pretty much the same. The NBA was filled with guys who thought Bird wouldn't get his shot against him. As for the idea that pump fakes wouldn't work in one on one, that seems ludicrous. So the strategy would let Bird shoot and hope you could get to it? Does that seem like a good strategy if it's two points behind the arc. James Worthy said he used to be mentally exhausted after playing a game against Bird, because your concentration needed to much greater than in an average game.
On the opposite end, I think Bird would have to play off Pippen which would give Pippen more uncontested shots.[/QUOTE]
If I'm pippen, I'm not biting on any sort of pump fake. Get in his hip pocket and take away his jumpshot and dare him to try to drive and be ready to meet him at the rim.
On the other hand, if bird allows pippen to just shoot uncontested jumpers, its gonns be an easy win for pippen. His jumpshot wasn't that bad enough that you can dare him to shoot it. Much less allow him to get into a rythem.
And james worthy is no pippen. Especially on defense
[QUOTE=97 bulls]If I'm pippen, I'm not biting on any sort of pump fake. Get in his hip pocket and take away his jumpshot and dare him to try to drive and be ready to meet him at the rim.
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Two points here. If you're not biting on pump fakes, you're going to letting some uncontested shots go up because he shot and his fake looked the same.
When you say meet him at the rim, are you talking in terms of blocking his shot? I don't know of too many times where Bird's man blocked him when he was driving. That was usually because Bird didn't usually take the shot where you expected him too. He would scoop it or go off angle. If he did get his shot blocked while driving it was usually someone playing help defense.
And I agree with you that on defense, Bird is going to have to pick his poison.
You guys act like Pippen is MJ on offense. The better offensive player wins 1 on 1.
You guys also act like Pippen is gonna block every one of Bird's shots. Bird made a career out of outplaying his defender.
Oh and Bird was one of the most ambidextrous players ever.
present day?
gotta go with pip. Birds back must be in terrible shape for basketball it his age, what with all the problems he had during his career
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]present day?
gotta go with pip. Birds back must be in terrible shape for basketball it his age, what with all the problems he had during his career[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pushxx]You guys act like Pippen is MJ on offense. The better offensive player wins 1 on 1.
You guys also act like Pippen is gonna block every one of Bird's shots. Bird made a career out of outplaying his defender.
Oh and Bird was one of the most ambidextrous players ever.[/QUOTE]
If I were to grade the two offensively and defensively
Offense
Bird A+
Pippen B
Defense (man defense since this is 1 on 1)
Bird D
Pippen A+
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Two points here. If you're not biting on pump fakes, you're going to letting some uncontested shots go up because he shot and his fake looked the same.
When you say meet him at the rim, are you talking in terms of blocking his shot? I don't know of too many times where Bird's man blocked him when he was driving. That was usually because Bird didn't usually take the shot where you expected him too. He would scoop it or go off angle. If he did get his shot blocked while driving it was usually someone playing help defense.
And I agree with you that on defense, Bird is going to have to pick his poison.[/QUOTE]
You don't need to bite on pump fakes to contest a jumpshot. Just get up on him and make him drive or tey to score of the dribble.
Same goees with meeting him at the rim. You don't need to block every shot, but I don't see bird being able to beat pippen athletically.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Defense (man defense since this is 1 on 1)
[B]Bird D[/B]
Pippen A+[/QUOTE]
A D? D? Seriously...D? D?
HAHAHAHAHA :oldlol:
Read this thread...please... [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230228&page=3"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230228&page=3[/URL]
Also...check this video out... [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0[/URL]
[QUOTE=97 bulls]If I were to grade the two offensively and defensively
Offense
Bird A+
Pippen B
Defense (man defense since this is 1 on 1)
Bird D
Pippen A+[/QUOTE]
Bird was a pretty good help defender, but ISO D not so much, I 'd grade him about a C overall.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]
Bird D
Pippen A+[/QUOTE]
he's white right? and slow....so he must be bad on defense!
try again buddy
[QUOTE=97 bulls]So was pippen. All you have to know about pippens drive is that he went from being a ball manger in college to an all-time great hofer. Bird left indiana cuz he couldn't cut it. Drive and inatngibles. Please.[/QUOTE]
Bird is one of the top 10 most competitive ball players of all time.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]A D? D? Seriously...D? D?
HAHAHAHAHA :oldlol:
Read this thread...please... [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230228&page=3"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230228&page=3[/URL]
Also...check this video out... [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0[/URL][/QUOTE]
Do you even know the difference between man defense and help defense?
And just so you know, id give bird a B on help defense. There's a reason why mchale as a power forward had to defend the opposing teams better scoring forward. Cuz bird couldn't. Mchale had to defend guys like worthy and wilkins.
Which also expalins why bird defensive rating is so high. He routinely defended the worse offensive forward.
The same goes for carlos boozer. Noah draws the assignment of having to defend the opposing teams best scoring bigman be it center or power forward
[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]So was pippen.[/B] All you have to know about pippens drive is that he went from being a ball manger in college to an all-time great hofer. Bird left indiana cuz he couldn't cut it. Drive and inatngibles. Please.[/QUOTE]
You are ludicrously biased, or deluded, or both.
Bird possessed intangible greatness. Pippen did not. It's really quite simple.
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]he's white right? and slow....so he must be bad on defense!
try again buddy
Bird is one of the top 10 most competitive ball players of all time.[/QUOTE]
Go back and read my post. I stated man [B]MAN[/B] defense. Birds strength on defense was his help defense. Which is worthless in a 1 on 1 setting.
Bird