Jews the greatest ethnic group in terms of accomplishments for mankind???

[QUOTE=fos][B]Freud's theories are speculative bullshit that have no scientific merit whatsoever.[/B] Marx is an interesting character who has had a huge impact on the social sciences more than anything but you sort of have to take Friedrich Engels (not a Jew) into the equation and the fact that his idea of revolution and the end of capitalism hasn't (and will not) happen. Can't say nothing bad about Einstein, he was brilliant (even if he did knock his first cousin up).

:cheers:[/QUOTE]
Some of his ideas are, others are still in use in modern pschology today.

He also was the father of psychology.

Not all of Freud is speculative bullshit. I've only read some of his books, not all, some ideas are outdated and obviously theory or bullshit but not all of it. No one who knows abit about Freud would dismiss him as purely speculative bullshit. And the impact he had on the shaping of the 20th century is vast, even if many ideas were later proven wrong.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Which is why today Jews are the smartest ethnic group IQ wise.[/QUOTE]

If you include Hasidic Jews in this assessment, you're dreaming, they know nothing of the world other than what is written in the scriptures, if you call that having high IQ, you need your IQ checked.

Including them would make your IQ wise comment a load of bollocks.

[QUOTE=Big_Dogg]If you include Hasidic Jews in this assessment, you're dreaming, they know nothing of the world other than what is written in the scriptures, if you call that having high IQ, you need your IQ checked.

Including them would make your IQ wise comment a load of bollocks.[/QUOTE]
they make up, like, a tenth of the total jewish population

[QUOTE=Big_Dogg]If you include Hasidic Jews in this assessment, you're dreaming, they know nothing of the world other than what is written in the scriptures, if you call that having high IQ, you need your IQ checked.

Including them would make your IQ wise comment a load of bollocks.[/QUOTE]
Lawl do you know anything about the Talmud?
Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world and simply studying and understanding it is a vast intellectual accomplishment all itself even if you have nothing new to add to a Talmudic discussion.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]they make up, like, a tenth of the total jewish population[/QUOTE]


In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.

[QUOTE=Big_Dogg]In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.[/QUOTE]
nope, they study talmud and the zohar, all incredibly difficult texts, despite their secularity.

Jesus was a Jew. Nuf sed .

The idea of the Jew sort of confuses me... seems like the term incorporates both religion and "race". There are 13.2 million "Jews" in the world and there is a lot of "Caucasian" admixture not to mention the idea of "biological race" is nonsense to begin with, there is more variation seen within groups than between them. If you look at "Jews" from a genetic perspective (the kind and amount of alleles), you see they're basically "Arabs" with a different religion. I suggest you should include Muslims in this thread :lol

[QUOTE=fos]The idea of the Jew sort of confuses me... seems like the term incorporates both religion and "race". There are 13.2 million "Jews" in the world and there is a lot of "Caucasian" admixture not to mention the idea of "biological race" is nonsense to begin with, there is more variation seen within groups than between them. If you look at "Jews" from a genetic perspective (the kind and amount of alleles), you see they're basically "Arabs" with a different religion. I suggest you should include Muslims in this thread :lol[/QUOTE]
considering you arent jewish unless your mother was, it is a blood line. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.

Muslims clearly aren't jewish, they are a seperate religion, with a ton of converts from different races and ethnicities from all over the world, from white, to black to malaysian to arab. In Judaism there is a very very low percentage of converts because the conversion process takes like 3 years of study and even after going through with it many STILL don't consider you a true Jew if your mom wasnt Jewish.

[QUOTE=Big_Dogg]In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.[/QUOTE]
the world, just a stat i plucked off the net so don't give it too much stock, but it unlikely to be far off from reality


[QUOTE]Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world[/QUOTE]
lol sure

[QUOTE=Nick Young]considering you arent jewish unless your mother was, it is a blood line. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.

Muslims clearly aren't jewish, they are a seperate religion, with a ton of converts from different races and ethnicities from all over the world, from white, to black to malaysian to arab. In Judaism there is a very very low percentage of converts because the conversion process takes like 3 years of study and even after going through with it many STILL don't consider you a true Jew if your mom wasnt Jewish.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.

Darwin, Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Pascal, and Newton aren't Jews :cheers:

[QUOTE=fos]I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.[/QUOTE]
this is silly. clearly cultural history that has endured for thousands of years into our current modern world easily takes precedence over a common lineage also thousands of years old.

[QUOTE=fos]I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.[/QUOTE]
hmm genetically though not really because again, for Jews the greatest intellects passed on their genes and got to procreate with the highest quality females, the smartest rabbis and scholars were consired the alphas and most desireable mates, for arabs it was the biggest and strongest physically.

Genetically they are not the same, though they look the same on the surface.

[QUOTE]Today's Ashkenazi Jews have a high average mathematical and verbal IQ and an unusual cognitive profile compared to other ethnic groups, including Sephardic and Oriental Jews.
From roughly 800 to 1650 CE, Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were a mostly isolated genetic group. When Ashkenazi Jews married non-Jews, they usually left the Jewish community; few non-Jews married into the Jewish community.
During the same period, laws barred Ashkenazi Jews from working most jobs, including farming and crafts, and forced them into finance, management, and international trade. Wealthy Jews had several more children per family than poor Jews. So, genes for cognitive traits such as verbal and mathematical talent, which make a person successful in the few fields where Jews could work, were favored; genes for irrelevant traits, such as spatio-visual abilities, were supported by less selective pressure than in the general population.
Today's Ashkenazi Jews suffer from a number of congenital diseases and mutations at higher rates than most other ethnic groups; these include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher's disease, Bloom's syndrome, and Fanconi anemia, and mutations at BRCA1 and BRCA2. These mutations' effects cluster in only a few metabolic pathways, suggesting that they arise from selective pressure rather than genetic drift. One cluster of these diseases affects sphingolipid storage, a secondary effect of which is increased growth of axons and dendrites. At least one of the diseases in this cluster, torsion dystonia, has been found anecdotally to correlate with exceptionally high IQ. Another cluster disrupts DNA repair, an extremely dangerous sort of mutation which is lethal in homozygotes. The authors speculate that these mutations give a cognitive benefit to heterozygotes by reducing inhibitions to neural growth, a benefit that would not outweigh its high costs except in an environment where it was strongly rewarded.
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Other suggested evolutionary accounts include: a long cultural history encouraging scholarship and learning;[4] a contribution of talent in the study of Torah to social success in Jewish communities;[5] the enforcement of a religious norm requiring Jewish fathers to educate their sons, whose high cost caused voluntary conversions, explaining a large part of a reduction in the size of the Jewish population;[6] that historic persecution of European Jews fell disproportionately on people of lower intelligence.[2]

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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence[/url]

[QUOTE=RidonKs]this is silly. clearly cultural history that has endured for thousands of years into our current modern world easily takes precedence over a common lineage also thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]

I guess so but all Asians look alike to me :lol

[QUOTE=fos]I guess so but all Asians look alike to me :lol[/QUOTE]
all asians are the same :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Nick Young]hmm genetically though not really because again, for Jews the greatest intellects passed on their genes and got to procreate with the highest quality females, the smartest rabbis and scholars were consired the alphas and most desireable mates, for arabs it was the biggest and strongest physically.

Genetically they are not the same, though they look the same on the surface.


[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence[/url][/QUOTE]

The Tay Sachs thing is interesting. It seems like the social history of Ashkenazi Jews (clustered in heavy urban areas) selected for Tay Sachs because heterozygotes were protected against tuberculosis.

Anyone not familiar with Tay Sachs should check it out, basically you give birth to a seemingly healthy baby only to watch it go deaf, blind, and stupid and typically die before age four. It's very sad. Since awareness of the disease as a "Jewish disease" screening is available that targets Jews and I believe now most new cases are non-Jews.

Certainly an accomplished grouping however I will forever praise the Arabic and Indian regions for their mathematical contributions to the world. I'm certain someone would have figured it out eventually but the head start that they got by the Indians discovering the use of "true" zero and the Arabic numbers cannot be over looked.

[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]Certainly an accomplished grouping however I will forever praise the Arabic and Indian regions for their mathematical contributions to the world. I'm certain someone would have figured it out eventually but the head start that they got by the Indians discovering the use of "true" zero and the Arabic numbers cannot be over looked.[/QUOTE]

Yeah threads like this are doomed for failure "My racial/religious/ethnic group is better than your racial/religious/ethnic group"!

We're all related, all of us have the same original ancestor. All religions basically are the same in that they're "rational" explanations to what man doesn't yet or can't understand.

Anyways, Bill Murray is worth at least 5 Einsteins IMO.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Lawl do you know anything about the Talmud?
Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world and simply studying and understanding it is a vast intellectual accomplishment all itself even if you have nothing new to add to a Talmudic discussion.[/QUOTE]
How does it differ from regular logic? Do they just take a dump over logic with a bunch of religious nonsense and accept it as fact? Pure logic is universal.

[QUOTE=fos]Yeah threads like this are doomed for failure "My racial/religious/ethnic group is better than your racial/religious/ethnic group"!

We're all related, all of us have the same original ancestor. All religions basically are the same in that they're "rational" explanations to what man doesn't yet or can't understand.

Anyways, Bill Murray is worth at least 5 Einsteins IMO.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that, you have to respect every cultures contribution to society. Also people need to realize that just because you're a part of a certain ethnic group doesn't mean that you can sit on your ass and bask in other peoples accomplishments as if they were your own.

Yep, they are pound for pound the most accomplished demographic point blank period but I thought this was common knowledge.

What's interesting to see is if you enter an antrhopology class you'll note that the Ashkenazi Jews are far more susceptible to 25+ diseases that most other "races" are immune to, and contrastly they've made an outstanding impression on human culture.

In matters of finance and many fields of intellect, Jews reign supreme. Even Donks and Nick Young have some big frickin IQ's.

They got to step up their literature game though. The Brits and the Ruskies (EDIT WTF r dostoy, nabo, and trostky jews?) are owning that department. Oh and although Israel has a great military, you're gonna need more alpha soldiers my friends. Shalom.

Signed, your dearest enemy,
A Muslim

[QUOTE=Hazard]I agree with that, you have to respect every cultures contribution to society.[B] Also people need to realize that just because you're a part of a certain ethnic group doesn't mean that you can sit on your ass and bask in other peoples accomplishments as if they were your own.[/B][/QUOTE]

Best comment of the whole thread.

But you can take pride in them.

EDIT: we're all forgetting David Stern... wait, I think we left him out for basketball reasons.

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]Yep, they are pound for pound the most accomplished demographic point blank period but I thought this was common knowledge.

What's interesting to see is if you enter an antrhopology class you'll note that the Ashkenazi Jews are far more susceptible to 25+ diseases that most other "races" are immune to, and contrastly they've made an outstanding impression on human culture.

In matters of finance and many fields of intellect, Jews reign supreme. Even Donks and Nick Young have some big frickin IQ's.

They got to step up their literature game though. The Brits and the Ruskies (EDIT WTF r dostoy, nabo, and trostky jews?) are owning that department. Oh and although Israel has a great military, you're gonna need more alpha soldiers my friends. Shalom.

Signed, your dearest enemy,
A Muslim[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of the six day war?

[QUOTE=Hazard]Ever hear of the six day war?[/QUOTE]

That's the one where the Jews ****ed up and let the Moslem's keep the Dome of the Rock? IDIOTS!

[QUOTE=fos]That's the one where the Jews ****ed up and let the Moslem's keep the Dome of the Rock? IDIOTS![/QUOTE]
No it was the one where they ****ed up the entire UAR in 6 days.

[QUOTE]Ruskies (EDIT WTF r dostoy, nabo, and trostky jews?)[/QUOTE]
huh, i thought tolstoy and nabokov were but i guess not. dostoevsky definitely wasn't. trotsky was but not with any significance. ah well

[QUOTE=Hazard]No it was the one where they ****ed up the entire UAR in 6 days.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but they could have taken the Temple Mount back but instead let the Palestinians keep the Dome of the Rock. Imagine all of the possible archaeological/biblical treasures they could have found under it? I'm not religious but aren't the Jews suppose to build a new Temple on that site and usher in the end of days?

[QUOTE=fos]Yeah but they could have taken the Temple Mount back but instead let the Palestinians keep the Dome of the Rock. Imagine all of the possible archaeological/biblical treasures they could have found under it? I'm not religious but aren't the Jews suppose to build a new Temple on that site and usher in the end of days?[/QUOTE]
I don't know, don't really care tbh. All that violence over silly bullshit just reminds me that we all came from monkeys, and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Ethnic Germans have the highest average IQ in the world.

:confusedshrug:

Shalom Alechem all my fellow jews...

Op you are correct..

jews are also the funniest... aside from being the smartest,richest,best looking (ok not really)and successful..

in Secular jewish homes education is highly looked upon and emphasized...

And yes gemara other known as talmud does in fact sharpen your mind...the torah is so deep and is filled with unlimited amount of knowledge. It enforces different methods and tactics of thinking such as logical thinking,Critical thinking,Creative thinking,Convergent thinking,Divergent thinking,and Inductive thinking.

Studying Torah(or any spiritual book IMO) also keeps your spirits high,gives you peace of mind,a special energy that cant be explained,etc...all the good stuff....so you avoid drugs,watching movies, and any other mediums of entertainment that distract you from self reflection and filling up that emptiness we all feel inside from time to time

sorry for the run on sentences i kinda rushed this

[QUOTE=knickballer]Also add the treacherous Alan Greenspan to your list[/QUOTE]
lawl, your anti-semetic feelings are strong and obvious

[QUOTE=Hazard]How does it differ from regular logic? Do they just take a dump over logic with a bunch of religious nonsense and accept it as fact? Pure logic is universal.[/QUOTE]
ACTUALLY fool, educate yourself
[QUOTE]Originally, Jewish scholarship was oral. Rabbis expounded and debated the law (the written law expressed in the Hebrew Bible) and discussed the Tanakh without the benefit of written works (other than the Biblical books themselves), though some may have made private notes (megillot setarim), for example of court decisions. This situation changed drastically, however, mainly as the result of the destruction of the Jewish commonwealth and the Second Temple in the year 70 CE and the consequent upheaval of Jewish social and legal norms. As the Rabbis were required to face a new reality

Still no mention of composers, conductors and musicians?
I never read any official data, but I have a feeling that the % of Jews in the elite level in the music field is insane.

Just off the top of my head

Rubinstein
Ashkenazy
Horowitz
Perahia
Schiff
Mendelssohn
Mahler
Schoenberg
Gershwin
Bernstein
Solti
Schnittke
Glass
Reich
Mintz
Stern
Barenboim

[QUOTE=Jasi]Still no mention of composers, conductors and musicians?
I never read any official data, but I have a feeling that the % of Jews in the elite level in the music field is insane.

Just off the top of my head

Rubinstein
Ashkenazy
Horowitz
Perahia
Schiff
Mendelssohn
Mahler
Schoenberg
Gershwin
Bernstein
Solti
Schnittke
Glass
Reich
Mintz
Stern
Barenboim[/QUOTE]
not to mention actors and comedians.

I left out entertainers and artists besides filmmakers because I knew most people would just dismiss them ("So what that guy was in a few decent movies, how does it benefit humanity?")

And FARMAR!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

...just when needy... negs gone

[QUOTE=OmniStrife]And FARMAR!! :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
And Casspi


^^^
Why would you neg me for this? You really that anti-semetic KNICKOAS?

I'm anti racistic. Or anti ethnicitic, is there term for anti ethnitism. It has nothing to do with anti semitic though. It's just that starting such elitist topics is what brought the most infamous anti semitic act to happen.

World Peace.

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America. 38% of Doctors in America are Indians. 12% of Scientists in America are Indians. 36% of NASA employees are Indians. 34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians 28% of IBM employees are Indians 17% of INTEL employees are Indians 13% of XEROX employees are Indians