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got me wondering though
one slur....complete word is automatically blanked out on ish
another slur....I swear i've seen written unedited on ish...and most definitely partially blanked...even in THIS thread
as noted before, the first slur is actually primarily used as a real word...second slur existed strictly as a slur...
what gives?
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Why do I get the feeling that the AAJA is negotiating with espn before issuing a statement?
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]That makes you a racist, sorry to break it to you. You shouldn't even have to use slurs, if you were really their friends to begin with. Especially slurs that usually have a violent history attached to them.[/QUOTE]
think derb's post is a very poor attempt at humor,at least I hope that's what it is.
race is a topic that many feel uncomfortable discussing in an adult-like manner, so often people try to make jokes to mask the discomfort.
I HOPE that's what derb was doing...... if not..he goes the route of the slot machine worker in Casino
The 'I'm not racist...I have (insert race or ethnicity) friends" has been a joke/punchline for years.
derb, are we laughing WITH you or AT you???
[QUOTE=get these NETS]think derb's post is a very poor attempt at humor,at least I hope that's what it is.
race is a topic that many feel uncomfortable discussing in an adult-like manner, so often people try to make jokes to mask the discomfort.
I HOPE that's what derb was doing...... if not..he goes the route of the slot machine worker in Casino
The 'I'm not racist...I have (insert race or ethnicity) friends" has been a joke/punchline for years.
derb, are we laughing WITH you or AT you???[/QUOTE]
it wasn't humor. I guess it's a testament to our friendship. I've known these people for more than a decade. Like I said, we don't do this outside our circle. Cmon fellas, I'm not a racist and am not some little kid trying to hide some insecure feelings. jeez some people just take life too serious.
Part of me thinks that headline is ****ing hilarious. I mean come on, how can you not laugh if you have a sense of humor?
On the other hand, I think it's ****ing ignorant and it really pisses me off how ESPN isn't getting more shit for that. Had that said "LeBron gets whipped" you know for damn certain every black man in America would be on that shit. Double standards are stupid.
:roll: :roll: :roll: That's so tight. By far the best Lin pun:applause:
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime][B]Part of me thinks that headline is ****ing hilarious. I mean come on, how can you not laugh if you have a sense of humor? [/B]
On the other hand, I think it's ****ing ignorant and it really pisses me off how ESPN isn't getting more shit for that. Had that said "LeBron gets whipped" you know for damn certain every black man in America would be on that shit. Double standards are stupid.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because of the history of the word maybe? I always get a kick out of how people get stuck on stupid when it's not their race that's being made fun of, yet pitch a b!tch when the slurs and stereotypes start coming[I] their[/I] way.
They should have said kink in the armor. I'm surprised they use the another term.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]Maybe because of the history of the word maybe? I always get a kick out of how people get stuck on stupid when it's not their race that's being made fun of, yet pitch a b!tch when the slurs and stereotypes start coming[I] their[/I] way.[/QUOTE]
As a white person there is nothing that could be said to me about being white that could possibly offend me. Anyone who got legitimately upset about that headline is probably taking things too seriously and is no fun whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Killbot]They should have said kink in the armor. I'm surprised they use the another term.[/QUOTE]
But "kink" isn't the correct term in the context of the phrase. That wouldn't have made sense. It simply should not have been said at all, which is why it was removed so quickly.
[QUOTE=derb2k2]it wasn't humor. I guess it's a testament to our friendship. I've known these people for more than a decade. Like I said, we don't do this outside our circle. Cmon fellas, I'm not a racist and am not some little kid trying to hide some insecure feelings. jeez some people just take life too serious.[/QUOTE]
derb,
read my post again.
I commented on your "i'm not racist....I date so and so" comment..THAT is such bullshit that it's funny... and you know it. Going out with...or having friends of another group/race/ethnicity doesn't preclude you(or anybody) from being racist. and saying so is such a joke.
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didn't comment on the first part because I'm certain there are close friends who feel comfortable speaking to each other in certain ways..probably younger guys though.
You get older and out into the world, think that will change.
at any rate....be easy...
[QUOTE=adri41]But "kink" isn't the correct term in the context of the phrase. That wouldn't have made sense. It simply should not have been said at all, which is why it was removed so quickly.[/QUOTE]
I'm no English genius, but when applying to this definition:
[quote]3.
a flaw or imperfection likely to hinder the successful operation of something,[/quote]
it makes sense to me.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]As a white person there is nothing that could be said to me about being white that could possibly offend me. Anyone who got legitimately upset about that headline is probably taking things too seriously and is no fun whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Move to a country where you are a minority group and I'd bet money that you wouldn't feel the same way.
[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]They've used that headline before yep.
[url]http://www.faniq.com/blog/ESPN-*****-In-The-Armor-Team-USA-Basketball-Headline-Blog-11274[/url][/QUOTE]
oh wow they have used it before.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man][B]As a white person there is nothing that could be said to me about being white that could possibly offend me.[/B] Anyone who got legitimately upset about that headline is probably taking things too seriously and is no fun whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Hence, why you wouldn't find the Headline racist. If you're a white American who has never had to deal with racism, being in the majority, of [I]course [/I]you would not be offended.
:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]As a white person there is nothing that could be said to me about being white that could possibly offend me. Anyone who got legitimately upset about that headline is probably taking things too seriously and is no fun whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=get these NETS]
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[B]didn't comment on the first part because I'm certain there are close friends who feel comfortable speaking to each other in certain ways..probably younger guys though.
You get older and out into the world, think that will change.
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at any rate....be easy...[/QUOTE]
And the excuse of "being young" still doesn't make it right. I've had white friends off and on (depending on neighborhood) since grade K, and never [I]thought[/I] about calling them slurs "just for fun". His friends all have first names. Why not just use them instead?
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]Are you kidding me? How can ESPN be that stupid.
I don't even wanna know what would've happened had that been a racial slur directed at an African American.[/QUOTE]
I heard they used a Nyjer Please , when some college kid named Nyjer hit a buzzer beater or something.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]And the excuse of "being young" still doesn't make it right. I've had white friends off and on (depending on neighborhood) since grade K, and never [I]thought[/I] about calling them slurs "just for fun". His friends all have first names. Why not just use them instead?[/QUOTE]
Neither you or I can tell him or the people he hangs with what they should be saying to one another...or what should be acceptable.
If he's friends with a guy who allows him to use ethnic slurs towards him, more of a reflection of how that person was raised than anything...OR being young and living in an insular and sheltered world.
Person goes out into the world, leaves that cocoon...experiences life outside of that circle...certain that most of their views will change.
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glance through some of the posts on ish.... some VERY young guys here .......
you don't know who raised these young guys and what they know or don't know....
Life teaches what the family didn't.
LOL, just the worst phrase you can use to write about an Asian player.
some of you gotta take it easy. It's not like I call my friends the slurs all the time. But we do it without hesitation because it's between us. I can understand how some of you can think that is immature and insensitive, but we are all different people and have our separate tastes and such.
and I'm 28 to be exact. None of this "kid" shit applies to me. I'm an independent adult who knows what he says and does. I happen to have a good sense of humor.
lol'd hard when I heard about this.
ESPN always brings the lulz.
[QUOTE=The Choken One]lol'd hard when I heard about this.
ESPN always brings the lulz.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: for all of you that can have a chuckle about this. For the record, Espn should be scrutinized heavily for this.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]Maybe because of the history of the word maybe? I always get a kick out of how people get stuck on stupid when it's not their race that's being made fun of, yet pitch a b!tch when the slurs and stereotypes start coming[I] their[/I] way.[/QUOTE]
I think a did a bad job explaining why I thought that was funny. I just think it's hilarious how ignorant ESPN is pretending to be, and how they're acting like it was a mistake. They knew what they were doing. Anyone who's got an IQ above 10 knows what that word means.
I don't give a shit who's being made made fun of. I just think each situation should be handled the same way, and in this case I don't think it is. Like I said, had ESPN wrote, "LeBron got whipped" every damn news channel would be reporting how the world is such a terrible place.
[QUOTE=derb2k2]:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: for all of you that can have a chuckle about this. For the record, Espn should be scrutinized heavily for this.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. There's no excuse for letting something like this by.
But the fact that it did...is pretty damn funny.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]As a white person there is nothing that could be said to me about being white that could possibly offend me. Anyone who got legitimately upset about that headline is probably taking things too seriously and is no fun whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
I don't blame Asians or even Blacks or Hispanics for getting upset. It was an ignorant thing to do and to say they're being overly sensitive is stupid. I do, however, think the situation is just hilarious because of how ignorant ESPN is acting and how every damn reporting unit seems to be pulling these types of stunts.
[QUOTE=The Choken One]Agreed. There's no excuse for letting something like this by.
But the fact that it did...is pretty damn funny.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the stupidity of using such a phrase by a so-called "worldwide leader in sports" is what had me laughing. :lol
[QUOTE=get these NETS]Move to a country where you are a minority group and I'd bet money that you wouldn't feel the same way.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I don't give a shit about race and if someone wants to be racist towards me I'm not gonna sweat it, not gonna get mad because someone else is ignorant.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]Nah, I don't give a shit about race and if someone wants to be racist towards me I'm not gonna sweat it, not gonna get mad because someone else is ignorant.[/QUOTE]
A single person or group on the street being racist towards you is a bit different than a National Sports Network, seen and read around the world, being racist toward you. Stop being so naive.
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I think a did a bad job explaining why I thought that was funny. I just think it's hilarious how ignorant ESPN is pretending to be, and how they're acting like it was a mistake. They knew what they were doing. Anyone who's got an IQ above 10 knows what that word means.
I don't give a shit who's being made made fun of. I just think each situation should be handled the same way, and in this case I don't think it is. Like I said, had ESPN wrote, "LeBron got whipped" every damn news channel would be reporting how the world is such a terrible place.[/QUOTE]
responses towards incidents involving different racial and ethnic groups in America will vary because of a number of factors.
Jews and Blacks have organizations that have been fighting against "situations" like this for decades.
These organizations exert different types of pressure to curtail blatantly racist media "incidents".
I'm sure organizations protecting Asians exist and exert pressure also, just not to the degree that the other groups do.(AAJA is mentioned during the whitlock comments)
You will see depictions of and slurs towards certain religious and ethnic groups in the media that just absolutely would NEVER fly about others because those groups aren't represented by organizations with power to exert that pressure.....or groups that would rather not do/say anything about it.
And because of that...there is no deterrent to prevent it from happening.
I include in that group Muslims, Catholics , Asians, Italians and Irish,,,Latinos to some extent too. I bet off the top of your head, you can think of direct and indirect disrespect shown towards these groups in print, tv and film
*Gays used to be part of the second group....now they are part of the first group.....
I don't get peopel who keep saying "Well, with my friends we joke like this". Yes, we all do. But this is not your friends. This is a national media outlet. You can say things with your friends you can't bust out in a meeting at work, and ESPN is 1,000 times that, they have to watch what they say.
Basically, for some reason it's ok for the media to make fun of Jeremy Lin by race, and that's gotta stop.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]A single person or group on the street being racist towards you is a bit different than a National Sports Network, seen and read around the world, being racist toward you. Stop being so naive.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I'm sure Jeremy got a kick out of it. Or at least didn't give a shit.
Can't wait til Team USA Basketball visits France, allowing ESPN to break out its Jay-Z/Kanye headline!
[COLOR="white"]N*ggas In Paris
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[QUOTE=The Macho Man]As a white person there is nothing that could be said to me about being white that could possibly offend me. Anyone who got legitimately upset about that headline is probably taking things too seriously and is no fun whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Wild guess here but I don't think white people enjoy being called Aryan scum or being a descendant of nazis and treated differently for it.
trailor trash and cracker ya thats not gonna offend any normal person, but nazi blood probably will.
Statement from the Asian American Journalist Association
[url]http://www.aaja.org/news/mediawatch/2012_02_18/[/url]
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AAJA to ESPN: Saying '***** in the Armor' Is Inexcusable
February 18, 2012
Dear ESPN:
New York Knicks guard Jeremy Lin had a bad night Friday. Regrettably, so did ESPN. Using "a ***** in the armor" to describe Lin's poor performance was inexcusable.
We at the Asian American Journalists Association (AAJA) find it hard to fathom how such an offensive headline appeared on your publishing platforms. The phrase was even spoken on-air.
We are glad ESPN has recognized its mistake, and we appreciate the quick apology for the transgression.
Many people, not just in Asian American communities, are shocked that a news company with a long tradition of excellence would use a racial epithet. It's particularly galling because of the weeks of discussion about Lin, his heritage and even the wave of outright racism surrounding his stardom.
We are particularly concerned that an organization as large as yours did not have the proper checks in place to prevent the mistake. It is hard to fathom how editors on so many of your platforms failed to uphold your normally high standards.
Of course, it disappoints us to see one of our most valued and committed partners in diversity stumble. As you well know, this incident does not live up to the Leadership in Diversity Award that AAJA bestowed on ESPN in 2010. But we trust that you will transform this incident into a teachable moment.
We understand and appreciate that the offensive headline has been removed. But that's not enough. We would like to understand how it happened and what actions are being taken by ESPN to make sure such missteps do not recur. Your internal review could be instructive for others in our industry who want to improve the systems they have -- or need to put in place -- to ensure that fairness, accuracy and good taste are reflected in the news coverage of our communities.
As always, AAJA stands with you in our shared mission of diversity in America's newsrooms, and we welcome an opportunity to discuss how we can help you and your employees treat our communities with the fairness and respect they deserve.
Sincerely,
Doris Truong, AAJA National President
Bobby Caina Calvan and Jam Sardar, AAJA MediaWatch Co-Chairs
SNL skit about Lin
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/saturday-night-live-opens-jeremy-lin-sketch-spouts-puns-ny-knicks-guard-names-racial-sterotypes-article-1.1025301[/url]
So am I to understand that a perfectly legitimate word and a commonplace everyday phase is never allowed to be used when a Chinese person is involved? Is that the new rule? What's next? I can't ask a white waiter for crackers?
People are way to sensitive these days ( I'm black and I personally find it funny how quickly black people get offended by words they find offensive) get over it and move on. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=NumberSix]So am I to understand that a perfectly legitimate word and a commonplace everyday phase is never allowed to be used when a Chinese person is involved? Is that the new rule? What's next? I can't ask a white waiter for crackers?[/QUOTE]
crackers is a noun. ***** is an adjective describing something or in a racist way someone. and yes it would be racist if you only asked a white waiter for crackers if you intended it to be a slur. imagine a black guy at a table asking a white waiter "can i have some crackers" and saying it in a context to be racist. Does it make it okay just because technically what he said wasnt? think alittle more dont be so 1 dimensional.
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]People are way to sensitive these days ( I'm black and I personally find it funny how quickly black people get offended by words they find offensive) get over it and move on. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
who are you to say if someone should be offended or not? its ignorant to suggest that you have that right.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]who are you to say if someone should be offended or not? its ignorant to suggest that you have that right.[/QUOTE]
I'm a person. Who has an opinion that I have the right to express. What's your point? They have a right to be offended? Doesn't mean I don't have the right to belive people these days are way to sensitive and way to quick to play the "racism" card.
These people includes Black,Latinos, Whites, Asians and anyone else .. People make way to big a deal out of being politically correct.