Wilt Chamberlain free throw dunks:

If Wilt lived today, there's no doubt that he'd be able to outrun Usain Bolt.

There's also no doubt that he would've dominated Lance Armstrong on a bike.

Here's my proof:

Phil Jackson once visited France during the offseason, and when he rode his Harley up the mountain to L'Alpe d'Huez, he was overtaken by Wilt who was riding uphill backwards on a broken unicycle while simultaneously shagging several women. And Wilt was already 57 when that happened.

Since that day, there's no doubt in Phil's mind that Wilt easily would've dominated Lance Armstrong had he put his mind to it.

Who cares if he could dunk it from his own court when he could not make a god damn free throw to save the day. Dude was a loser, if he was the GOAT he would be able to work on his free throws and would not go 1-11 when it mattered.
At the end of the day if you are too retarded to master a basic Basketball skill you are not a basketball player.

I do kinda wonder what guys with a crazy standing reach could do in such a situaiton. Wilt had a 9'6'' standing reach, long jumped 20+ feet as a matter of track event record, and had a nice broad jump. He only needed to be 6 inches off the ground to touch the rim. Ive seen a picture of him palming a ball and just reaching up and touching it to the rim. I cant find it now but here he is in high school...before he stopped growing:

[IMG]http://i26.tinypic.com/1564gfq.jpg[/IMG]


And here as a globetrotter

[IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/2dbs4yu.jpg[/IMG]

I cant say that second rim is regulation but as I said...ive seen him just touch a ball to the rim from the ground so I wouldnt doubt it.

And Tex didnt say wilt was inside the top of the key. He said "He wasnt at the top of the circle but he was about 3 steps behind it" and then he ran up and dunked it.

Considering the wide range of guys we have seen do Ft line dunks without so much as struggling to get there...guys not even considered especially athletic? The big guys like Toni Kukoc and Jeff foster? Keith Van Horn could do it in the 90s. Athletes no doubt but not guys who spring to mind as the best athletes. They arent exactly Larry nances or Tom Chambers or Shawn Kemps.

I suspect the huge standing reach of bigmen really knocks a lot of the difficulty off doing long distance dunks. They only need to just barely be off the ground by the time they make it.

A 7'1''+ guy with a 9'6'' or more standing reach who can palm the ball and just bang it on the rim on his toes?

Its pretty much asking if I believe Wilt could take a few steps and still be....8-9 inches off the ground after 15 feet.

I dont know that id dispute it.

When I see a guy like young Kareem dunk I bet he could take off from 12 feet and dunk and it wouldnt even look nice. Hes too close flat footed.

Look how Ralph Sampson does it:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz8FZ-AYWY0[/url]

Im not sure he couldnt do that from about the 3 point line. Hes barely off the ground and he made it look effortless.

Tall guys make this hard to call....

[QUOTE=dunksby]Who cares if he could dunk it from his own court when he could not make a god damn free throw to save the day. Dude was a loser, if he was the GOAT he would be able to work on his free throws and would not go 1-11 when it mattered.
At the end of the day if you are too retarded to master a basic Basketball skill you are not a basketball player.[/QUOTE]

"loser"? :oldlol: That from some internet guy criticizing a man with 2 finals MVP''s & he thinks Wilt's the 'loser':rolleyes:

If Wilt's a 'loser' then players like Jerry 'Mr. Choke' West, Nash, Barkley, Big O, KG, Dr J, etc....... :facepalm. The list is waaaay too damn long to even mention the 'losers' who haven't accomplished a fraction of what Wilt did.


Wilt wash't too retarded to become one of the wealthiest players of his era through savvy investing. Only an anonymous clown on the net can dismiss someone as great & intelligent as Wilt.

And Wilts Ft issue wasnt skill based. By most reports he shot them fine in practice. Just like Shaq. We have all see Shaq wet FTs over and over working out. His issue like Wilt...was mental. They had Wilt seeing psychiatrists and shit.

Like Nick Anderson after the finals disaster. He would shy away from taking Fts. miss them at unusual rates even though he could shoot his ass off. Guy shot like 40% from the Ft line one year but he was wetting 25 footers with defenses trying to stop it all day.

Fts are funny. Its rare a guy just lacks the skill to make them if they put in any work. And Wilt worked. shaq worked. Nick kept trying to get his shot right.

But you cant practice enough to just beat that mental block. And all the practice and tips and doctors and hate grows and guys get even worse at te line.

Its rarely about skill on high levels.

[QUOTE=millwad]Just like Wilt had eyewitnesses of how he could grab a coin and change it a la top of the backboard... We've heard about these eyewitnesses before and we've heard the most silly things ever a la Wilt's volleyball skills, a la Wilt's shooting skills, a la Wilt crushing toes skills, a la Wilt's 50 inch vertical...[/QUOTE]


If you would just ignore the tall tales aspect....you would see that Wilt was just a tremendous athlete, and would most definately be a force in today's NBA.

[QUOTE=millwad]No, not possible.
Many players with much greater leaping ability and much better verts couldn't do it. Wilt's physic is crazy overrrated, so is his [B]goofy looking skillset.[/B][/QUOTE]


His "goofy looking skillset" allowed him to average over 41 points a game on 48%FG vs Bill Russell and the Celtics defense in 12 games in 1962....:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=brain drain]If Wilt lived today, there's no doubt that he'd be able to outrun Usain Bolt.

There's also no doubt that he would've dominated Lance Armstrong on a bike.

Here's my proof:

Phil Jackson once visited France during the offseason, and when he rode his Harley up the mountain to L'Alpe d'Huez, he was overtaken by Wilt who was riding uphill backwards on a broken unicycle while simultaneously shagging several women. And Wilt was already 57 when that happened.

Since that day, there's no doubt in Phil's mind that Wilt easily would've dominated Lance Armstrong had he put his mind to it.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/shocked/grand/henry2hjjl.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]And Wilts Ft issue wasnt skill based. By most reports he shot them fine in practice. Just like Shaq. We have all see Shaq wet FTs over and over working out. His issue like Wilt...was mental. They had Wilt seeing psychiatrists and shit.

.[/QUOTE]

Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..

Wilt was not only 7-1 (actually probably 7-2) with a measured 7-8 wingspan, but he was also a CHAMPION HIGH JUMPER (doing so PART-TIME, and with poor technique) as well as a competitive LONG JUMPER, TRIPLE JUMPER, and SPRINTER at KU.

We also have this footage...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs[/url]

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard.

We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.

THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.

Just what in the hell more does Dickwad need???

He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.

Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)

[QUOTE=millwad]Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..[/QUOTE]


Actually, what he said WAS true....there have been several discussions about Shaq making his FT's in practice. He was a very good FT practice shooter. You probably wouldn't know that unless you were old enough to remember the interviews with people who have worked with him on his FT shooting.

[QUOTE=millwad]Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

[B]Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average[/B]..[/QUOTE]

Completely false.

In Wilt's historic 61-62 season, he not only a decent .613 from the line, he MADE 835 FTs, which is the SECOND greatest season in NBA HISTORY, and only five less than Jerry West's 840 in '65. Oh, and BTW, how about Wilt in his 100 point game... 28-32 from the line.

And, as we KNOW, Chamberlain is WAY AHEAD of BOTH Hakeem in FTs MADE, even though Hakeem played four more seasons. And, how about this...Wilt MADE 2000 more FTs in his career, than Larry Bird!

Chamberlain was a poor FT shooter to be sure, but even Bruce Bowen won a 3pt title one season, while shooting .404 from the FT line.

In any case, Wilt's IMPACT at the LINE was HUGE. His team's either led the league, or were close, every season he played. His '67 76ers were MILES away from the next team.

And how about this interesting FACT? Wilt's 68-69 Lakers LED the league in FTAs (and easily LED in the post-season.) Then, Wilt was injured in game nine of the nery next season, and he was out for 70 games. LA finished 12th, in a 14 team league, in FTAs. BUT, it gets even more interesting. Wilt returned for the playoffs, and guess what, his Lakers shot over 200 more FTAs that the next best team, AND, in the Finals, they shot 96 more than the Knicks.

Chamberlain and Shaq probably (99.9%) shot FAR more "and-one's" than any other players in NBA history. These were BONUS shots. They also not only got their opposing centers in foul trouble, they got opposing TEAMS in foul trouble. The benefit to that was that those players were either playing looser defense, or were on the bench. And because of their ability to draw fouls, their TEAMMATES benefitted with more more bonus opportunities, as well.

[QUOTE=jlauber]

We also have this footage...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs[/url]

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard[/QUOTE]

Misleading angle, and haha, if we are supposed to believe the colouring in that video then Wilt's arm is almost as long as him from top to toe... It's not a legit angle, moron.:facepalm

Just look at his arm when the creator coloured it, how the hell can his arm be almost as long as himself..:facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]

We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.[/QUOTE]

"witnessed"...
[QUOTE=jlauber]

THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.[/QUOTE]

"Witnessed".. WOW!
[QUOTE=jlauber]

He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.[/QUOTE]

Haha, what idiot judges a player's shooting skills by a highlight video? Even Chris Mihm looks like an amazing shooter in his highlights..:facepalm

Wilt is the worst FT-SHOOOOOOOTER of all-time...:facepalm

Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)[/QUOTE]

"Dickwad", you are so silly, am I supposed to feel hurt over the fact that an old fart calls me Dickwad?

You really have no life, I feel bad for your wife and kids who have to live with you. You're so obsessed, I can imagine how much you've spammed about Wilt to your poor wife..:facepalm

So lame that an old fart sits on online day in and out and ******s a basketball player..:facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]

We also have this footage...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs[/url]

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard[/QUOTE]

Misleading angle, and haha, if we are supposed to believe the colouring in that video then Wilt's arm is almost as long as him from top to toe... It's not a legit angle, moron.:facepalm

Just look at his arm when the creator coloured it, how the hell can his arm be almost as long as himself..:facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]

We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.[/QUOTE]

"witnessed"...
[QUOTE=jlauber]

THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.[/QUOTE]

"Witnessed".. WOW!
[QUOTE=jlauber]

He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.[/QUOTE]

Haha, what idiot judges a player's shooting skills by a highlight video? Even Chris Mihm looks like an amazing shooter in his highlights..:facepalm

Wilt is the worst FT-SHOOOOOOOTER of all-time...:facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]
Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)[/QUOTE]

"Dickwad", you are so silly, am I supposed to feel hurt over the fact that an old fart calls me Dickwad?

You really have no life, I feel bad for your wife and kids who have to live with you. You're so obsessed, I can imagine how much you've spammed about Wilt to your poor wife..:facepalm

So lame that an old fart sits on online day in and out and ******s a basketball player..:facepalm

[QUOTE=bwink23]Actually, what he said WAS true....there have been several discussions about Shaq making his FT's in practice. He was a very good FT practice shooter. You probably wouldn't know that unless you were old enough to remember the interviews with people who have worked with him on his FT shooting.[/QUOTE]

In Charlie Rosen's book on the 71-72 Lakers, he mentions that Wilt was among the most accurate long range shooters on the Laker team in their practices, and that he routinely won their games of "horse." This, on a team with Goodrich, West, and their best shooter, Flynn Robinson.

[QUOTE]

"Dickwad", you are so silly, am I supposed to feel hurt over the fact that an old fart calls me Dickwad?

You really have no life, I feel bad for your wife and kids who have to live with you. You're so obsessed, I can imagine how much you've spammed about Wilt to your poor wife..:facepalm

So lame that an old fart sits on online day in and out and ******s a basketball player..:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Give it up Dickwad...

You have been shredded here. And you NEVER provide ANY evidence to the contrary in ANY of these discussions.

We have VIDEO footage, respected first hand accounts, newpaper articles which confirm them...and all you provide is that you don't believe it.

[QUOTE=Asukal]It's not hating on Wilt, most fans here consider him at least top 5 all time with some who puts him in the GOAT status. Me personally I dislike how his stans would believe everything they read or hear about him and preach it as gospel. :facepalm

Also regarding Tex Winter's interview, he said Wilt wasn't on top of the circle but was 3 steps behind it. So at minimum, if Wilt could dunk his free throw he would need at least 4-5 steps to get to the line since he was 3 steps behind the circle. It might be possible but highly unlikely. :rolleyes:

[B]Also in that Wilt statement, he said he was inside the circle in dunking his free throw. Being inside the circle and taking 3 small steps to dunk the free throw is entirely different from being 3 steps behind the circle as Tex described. So which is which? :confusedshrug[/B]:[/QUOTE]


No you stupid F_ck

He says 3 steps in both interviews and says - and I quote:

"He wasn't at the top of the circle but was about 3 steps behind it"

And In neither does he describe the steps as "small"


stop making shit up. :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]
[B]February 12, 1989[/B][/I]
[I]"When I was a freshman, I fooled around with shooting free throws this way: For some reason, [B]I thought you had to stay within the top half of that free-throw circle, so I would step back to just inside the top of the circle, take off from behind the line and dunk[/B]. They outlawed that, but I wouldn't have done it in a game, anyway. I was a good free throw shooter in college."

[B][SIZE="3"]Fifty-Five Years Later Tex Winter Recalls His Eyewitness Account In Detail In An Interview About Coaching Against Wilt Chamberlain[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]No you stupid F_ck

He says 3 steps in both interviews and says - and I quote:

"He wasn't at the top of the circle but was about 3 steps behind it"

And In neither does he describe the steps as "small"


stop making shit up. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

Making stuff up? Wilt said he dunked from inside the circle. How can he take giant steps if he is inside? :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=jlauber]Completely false.

In Wilt's historic 61-62 season, he not only a decent .613 from the line, he MADE 835 FTs, which is the SECOND greatest season in NBA HISTORY, and only five less than Jerry West's 840 in '65. Oh, and BTW, how about Wilt in his 100 point game... 28-32 from the line. [/QUOTE]


61% from the FT-line is still crap...:facepalm
And yeah, great, now you're mentioning ONE game as a proof, what about his 1-11 FT performance in the NBA FINALS.. HAHA..:facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]
And, as we KNOW, Chamberlain is WAY AHEAD of BOTH Hakeem in FTs MADE, even though Hakeem played four more seasons. And, how about this...Wilt MADE 2000 more FTs in his career, than Larry Bird![/QUOTE]


Please, can't you mention that Wilt made more FT's then Bird a little more often? Haha, what's the point of fouling an 88% FT-shooter you idiot.. And Hakeem was MUCH better from the line compared to the sucker Wilt.

ANd now when we're at it, you spam about how Wilt made more FT's then Bird. Lets look at it like this instead, Bird missed 511 FT's during his whole freaking career, Wilt only in his '62 season missed 528 FT's. So Wilt missed more FT's in one season then what Bird did during his whole career. Eat a dick, Jlauber..:oldlol:

[QUOTE=jlauber]
In any case, Wilt's IMPACT at the LINE was HUGE. His team's either led the league, or were close, every season he played. His '67 76ers were MILES away from the next team.[/QUOTE]


Especially in the finals a la 1-11 shooting from the line..:facepalm

[QUOTE=Asukal]Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]


THIS...:oldlol:

Great "witness"..

[QUOTE=jlauber]Give it up Dickwad...

You have been shredded here. And you NEVER provide ANY evidence to the contrary in ANY of these discussions.

We have VIDEO footage, respected first hand accounts, newpaper articles which confirm them...and all you provide is that you don't believe it.[/QUOTE]

Haha, how am I getting shredded when all you do is BS..:oldlol:
Wilt's "witnesses" are so great that they don't even tell the same story as Wilt himself..

*Check ASUKAL's post..:roll:

[QUOTE=Asukal][B]Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle[/B] while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA :roll:

Oh your Mr. "TAKE WILT LITERALLY!" All of the sudden!?

Wilt exaggerated Sherlock. Surely this can't be news to you!? - If it is you have a selective memory..... :hammerhead: It seems in any other situation you wouldn't hesitate to point this out.

Tex on the other hand, inventor of the Triangle Offense, told sh!t like it was, rarely with a sense of humor. And his version of the story in 1956, and 2011 both offered a perfect and detailed description of Wilt taking 3 steps.

Believing what Wilt says word for word is NOT good practice. Believing what someone else says two different occassion's that line's up chronologically with the [I]gist[/I] of what Wilt says is absolutely plauible.
Stop being retarded :no:

[QUOTE=Asukal]Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.

[QUOTE=millwad]Haha, how am I getting shredded when all you do is BS..:oldlol:
Wilt's "witnesses" are so great that they don't even tell the same story as Wilt himself..

*Check ASUKAL's post..:roll:[/QUOTE]

Wilt exaggerates. Everyone admits it regardless of what they believe he does or not. Stop being so ridiculously stupid :hammerhead:

It's obvious in this situation. Tex Winter's story is true - and the gist of what Wilt says is true (dunking as a freshman). He exaggerates [I]how[/I] he did it because of course, he's Mr. 20,000 himself.

Put the two consistent parts together, subtract the exaggeration - and BOOM you've got what happened

It isn't rocket science unless your f_cking retarded :lol

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA :roll:

Oh your Mr. "TAKE WILT LITERALLY!" All of the sudden!?

Wilt exaggerated Sherlock. Surely this can't be news to you!? - If it is you have a selective memory..... :hammerhead: It seems in any other situation you wouldn't hesitate to point this out.

Tex on the other hand, inventor of the Triangle Offense, told sh!t like it was, rarely with a sense of humor. And his version of the story in 1956, and 2011 both offered a perfect and detailed description of Wilt taking 3 steps.

Believing what Wilt says word for word is NOT good practice. Believing what someone else says two different occassion's that line's up chronologically with the [I]gist[/I] of what Wilt says is absolutely plauible.
Stop being retarded :no:[/QUOTE]

That's why we whom jlauber love to call "wilt haters" don't believe all of Wilt's stories. Most are just tall tales.

You're pretty funny actually since it is you who posted what Wilt said as your argument and proof of his claim. Who's retarded now? Me who questioned the inconsistency or you who posted the tall tale as proof? :hammerhead:

{copied this from another thread...... [url]http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236610&page=6[/url]
and it's post #78 on there}

I don't know the myths on ish about Wilt dunking free throws.... but here is some fact.

Interview with of Tex Winter, Kansas State basketball coach back in the 50s, talking about being chair of the Coaches Rules committee, and going to see Chamberlain as a freshman at KU.

You may or may not know, but K State - KU is a terrific rivalry.......... so for Tex to come up with some rules that would stop the arch-rival is, well, typical college operations.

The whole interview is awesome, the Chamberlain talk starts about 3:15

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk[/url]

Kind of like a Bill of Attainder lol "legislating" against Chamberlain.

Of course, no video footage, so it never happened right
*****************************************

The first guy I ever saw leap to the hoop from the free throw line was Mr. Jerry West. He didn't dunk the ball, he rolled it in over the rim. In those days a lot of guys never dunked at all. The idea was, it was considered insulting and would make the other team play harder against you. Lot of times I saw Logo's hand at the top of the block though... that man could [I]sky[/I] plus, his arms were looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnngggg

like Mr. Fantastic lol

But yeah Tex saw Chamberlain dunking free throws....

This thread though, is just like the clips of Chamberlain's vertical.
Even when these guys see proof with their own eyes they don't believe it, so what can you do? If you bring a horse to water and he won't drink, well everybody knows you just got a dumb horse. Glue factory?

[QUOTE=97 bulls]When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.[/QUOTE]

No 3 pt line then. Take Tex Winter's account more literal than Wilt who liked to exaggerate.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.[/QUOTE]

Take what Wilt says with a grain of salt. He also claimed 20,000 women because he likes to embellish stories (Which is not the same as making things up from scratch). Wilt probably f*cked a lot of women, and all the evidence suggests Wilt dunked free throws at least once in front of the scouting eyes of Tex Winter as a freshmen - what he says and what Tex saw as far as the freshman season goes, lines up perfectly.

For the literal description, listen to Tex Winter's account for how he did it.

Wilt took 3 strides, took off (jumped) from behind the line and dunked the ball.

Which coincidentally enough is exactly the same as his high-jump take off technique. - If all he needs is 3 steps to win High-Jump events and championships, than 3 steps is all he needs to free throw dunk exactly as how Tex Describes it in detail. [I]Not[/I] how Wilt recalls it. Wilt is the same guy who recalls 20,000 women. Don't take him word for word just take the gist of his story and use it as a means to back up what Tex says.
[url]http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump[/url]

[QUOTE=jlauber]Wilt was not only 7-1 (actually probably 7-2) with a measured 7-8 wingspan, but he was also a CHAMPION HIGH JUMPER (doing so PART-TIME, and with poor technique) as well as a competitive LONG JUMPER, TRIPLE JUMPER, and SPRINTER at KU.

We also have this footage...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs[/url]

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard.

We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.

THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.

Just what in the hell more does Dickwad need???

He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.

Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)[/QUOTE]
But there is a HUGE difference between the long jump and high jump. Long jumpers need to build up momentum. Dunking a ft would be similar to a long jump. I dont see how he could do that with three small steps. Inside the circle.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Take what Wilt says with a grain of salt. He also claimed 20,000 women because he likes to embellish stories (though, not necessarily make things up from scratch). Wilt probably f*cked a lot of women, and in this scenario Wilt dunked free throws goofing around in practice as a freshmen.

But listen to Tex Winter's account for how he did it.

3 strides jump and dunk.

Which coincidentally enough is exactly the same as his high-jump take off technique. - If all he needs is 3 steps to win High-Jump events and championships, than 3 steps is all he needs to free throw dunk exactly as how Tex Describes it in detail. [I]Not[/I] how Wilt recalls it. Wilt is the same guy who recalls 20,000 women. Don't take him word for word just take the gist of his story.
[url]http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump[/url][/QUOTE]

Astonishingly enough jlauber believes EVERY word. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Asukal]That's why we whom jlauber love to call "wilt haters" don't believe all of Wilt's stories. Most are just tall tales.

You're pretty funny actually since it is you who posted what Wilt said as your argument and proof of his claim. Who's retarded now? Me who questioned the inconsistency or you who posted the tall tale as [B]proof?[/B] :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

[I]Support[/I]

:hammerhead:

And the fact that winter saw it or is making the claim is the only thing thats giving this validity at all.

But then again, there's been thousands of accounts about big foot. And I still don't beliieve it

[QUOTE=97 bulls]But there is a HUGE difference between the long jump and high jump. Long jumpers need to build up momentum. Dunking a ft would be similar to a long jump. I dont see how he could do that with three small steps. [B]Inside[/B] the circle.[/QUOTE]

He was 3 (Wilt sized) steps [I]behind[/I] it. Not inside it. :facepalm

Listen to Tex Winter's account. Don't listen to Wilt word for word, he's well known to embellish his exploits.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.[/QUOTE]
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there wasn't a 3 point line back then.... the ABA had one but that was easily a decade after Chamberlain was in college.

Now Tex Winter says Chamberlain was about 3 steps behind the circle, while Chamberlain said he could do it starting at the circle.

This article talks about Chamberlain's broad jump

[url]http://ezinearticles.com/?Wilt-Chamberlain---Track-and-Field-at-the-University-of-Kansas-%28KU%29-In-Addition-to-Basketball&id=4113288[/url]

Around the same time Wilt was also putting up ridiculously impressive broad jump numbers that are understood to be as far as 22 feet. For comparison purposes almost all high school track athletes can not reach 22 feet in a running long jump and [B]Wilt is reported to have reached that length from a stationary standing broad jump position[/B].

Article Source: [url]http://EzineArticles.com/4113288[/url]
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Well the math is kinda cool because if you can standing broad jump say, 15 feet, you won't get to the rim since it's 10 feet up. But now Wilt's standing reach was 9'6" so to touch the rim from a standing broad jump, he might only have to get maybe 17 feet.... far enough in the arc of his leap that he can still touch the rim you see.

edit: [B][I]I[/I][/B] don't know that the guy can jump that far.... I'm just saying these articles are EVERYWHERE saying he could. Now a running long jump? absolutely I'd bet money he could get 22'
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I've seen Chamberlain many a time take 3 huge running steps from the corner to the basket when he was playing defense. This was when he was a Sixer.

And if you think about it that is some freakishly amazing size with serious springs in those legs so yeah I have no doubt he could pretty much dunk free throws. Nobody back then doubted it, but we were watching the guy you know? and you could see for yourself what he could do right on the court.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][I]Support[/I]

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Look, I don't question Wilt's greatness, I believe he is one of if not the best player to ever play basketball. I am not of his era so I didn't watch any of his games. I question the inconsistency of Wilt's claim to Tex's statement just to prove to jlauber that Wilt is not innocent of exaggerating his tales. MY GOD! Jlauber believes Wilt is a better FT shooter than Hakeem because he made more free throws! :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Asukal]Look, I don't question Wilt's greatness, I believe he is one of if not the best player to ever play basketball. I am not of his era so I didn't watch any of his games. I question the inconsistency of Wilt's claim to Tex's statement just to prove to jlauber that Wilt is not innocent of exaggerating his tales. MY GOD! Jlauber believes Wilt is a better FT shooter than Hakeem because he made more free throws! :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

Co-signed.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]And the fact that winter saw it or is making the claim is the only thing thats giving this validity at all.

But then again, there's been thousands of accounts about big foot. And I still don't beliieve it[/QUOTE]

Why do I get the feeling everybody has cherry picked the evidence and didn't read those newspapers. :facepalm

In 1956:
1.) NCAA Rules regarding big men (Wilt) included banning free throw dunks are suggested by a committee.

2.) NCAA Proposed rules to stop the big men (Wilt) regarding free throw dunks were voted on and approved by a committee.

3.) Tex Winter claims he's the guy behind the curtain and describes Wilt dunking free throws. He says Wilt took 3 giant strides. Oddly enough this looks [I]identical[/I] to how Wilt practices and competes in High-Jump even though Tex Winter doesn't know that nor does he give a flying f_ck about it. It's just some strange coincidence right?

[url]http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump[/url]

4.) In 1989:
Wilt, independent of any of that, tries to claim he dunked free throws his freshman year for some interview for the LA Time's. Of course, he's going to embellish this in some way shape or form. This is only [I]support[/I] that he dunked free throws it is not the tool to determine the specifics of [I]how [/I]he dunked them because of his well known and well understood reputation for embellishing. :hammerhead:

5.) In 2011:
Tex Winter once again recalls the event of Wilt dunking a free throw. He once again claims 3 steps - exactly as he did fifty five years earlier. Not only this but now he touches base on the [I]other[/I] rules that were changed that involved Chamberlain and they all match [I]perfectly[/I] with the actual proposed and changed NCAA rules in 1956




Is it a god damn coincidence? :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Asukal]Look, I don't question Wilt's greatness, I believe he is one of if not the best player to ever play basketball. I am not of his era so I didn't watch any of his games. I question the inconsistency of Wilt's claim to Tex's statement just to prove to jlauber that Wilt is not innocent of exaggerating his tales. [B]MY GOD! Jlauber believes Wilt is a better FT shooter than Hakeem because he made more free throws[/B]! :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]


First of all, I have NEVER claimed that Wilt was a better FT shooter than Hakeem. However, Hakeem, himself was BELOW average. Let's not make him out like a Yao Ming here. So, a 70% FT shooter is somewhat better than a 50% shooter. BUT, Wilt's IMPACT at the LINE, was dramatically better than his percentage. He put opposing players and TEAMs in foul trouble, and he and his teammates benefitted in a variety of ways because of it.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Why do I get the feeling everybody has cherry picked the evidence and didn't read those newspapers. :facepalm

In 1956:
1.) NCAA Rules regarding big men (Wilt) included banning free throw dunks are suggested by a committee.

2.) NCAA Proposed rules to stop the big men (Wilt) regarding free throw dunks were voted on and approved by a committee.

3.) Tex Winter claims he's the guy behind the curtain and describes Wilt dunking free throws. He says Wilt took 3 giant strides. Oddly enough this looks [I]identical[/I] to how Wilt practices and competes in High-Jump even though Tex Winter doesn't know that or give a f_ck about it. Just some strange coincidence right?

4.) In 1989:
Wilt, independent of any of that, tries to claim he dunked free throws his freshman year for some interview for the LA Time's. Of course, he's going to embellish this in some way shape or form. This is only [I]support[/I] that he dunked free throws it is not the tool to determine the specifics of [I]how [/I]he dunked them because of his well known and well understood reputation for embellishing. :hammerhead:

5.) In 2011:
Tex Winter once again recalls the event of Wilt dunking a free throw. He once again claims 3 steps - exactly as he did fifty five years earlier. Not only this but now he touches base on the [I]other[/I] rules that were changed that involved Chamberlain and they all match [I]perfectly[/I] with the actual proposed and changed NCAA rules in 1956




Is it a god damn coincidence? :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

No coincidence man, Tex was the chair of the Rules committee.