2012 Trade Deadline deal: Raptors trade Leandro Barbosa to Pacers

[QUOTE=pegasus]Nice move by the Pacers.:applause: They have several good pieces, but still no superstar or a closer.[/QUOTE]

But still in position to acquire a big time player in the off-season. Great example of why you don't blow money just because you have it to blow.

Charlie Villanueva -> TJ Ford -> Jermaine O'neal -> Shawn Marion -> Hedo Turkoglu -> Leandro Barbosa -> Nothing :ohwell:

hopefully this means i don't have to watch Dahntay Jones play anymore

[QUOTE=kaiteng]Charlie Villanueva -> TJ Ford -> Jermaine O'neal -> Shawn Marion -> Hedo Turkoglu -> Leandro Barbosa -> Nothing :ohwell:[/QUOTE]
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(Not that I think that whole progression of the trade means anything but I'll take any opportunity to rip into the man who has run the Raptors into the ground.)


I'm glad Barbosa is gone though. He's not a good player anymore but sometimes he scored the Raptors back into games which was frustrating when the team should be tanking. He had no future in Toronto and was a waste of space and shot attempts.

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(Not that I think that whole progression of the trade means anything but I'll take any opportunity to rip into the man who has run the Raptors into the ground.)


I'm glad Barbosa is gone though. He's not a good player anymore but sometimes he scored the Raptors back into games which was frustrating when the team should be tanking. He had no future in Toronto and was a waste of space and shot attempts.[/QUOTE]
This. While I don't particularly care much for this deal it was painful to see Barbosa there every night chucking us into the game, this move (while very little return) will help us tank even more for the lottery.

Very nice move for the Pacers. They are looking more and more dangerous with this added bench scoring.

Trade official, announced by team:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9437[/url]

[QUOTE="Jesus"]Why the hell did Toronto make this trade?[/QUOTE]

He had no future with this team and the team is looking for younger players and more picks.

I'm actually glad he's gone from the Raptors. I always thought he was a ball hog, which was the only reason WHY he was scoring so much. I never felt he made the team better.

[QUOTE="Jesus"]Why the hell did Toronto make this trade?[/QUOTE]

Umm...because they don't really need Barbosa and are trying to rebuild. Jerryd Bayless is more than capable of replacing Barbosa and will likely put up 18+ ppg, 4 rpg, and 7 apg now that he'll get more minutes with Barbosa gone. Every time Bayless has gotten significant minutes he's done extremely well so expect big things from him in the coming months. In fact, over the last 10 games or so last season, Bayless averaged something like 23, 3, and 6 while playing 30-35 mpg.

[QUOTE=midatlantic09]Umm...because they don't really need Barbosa and are trying to rebuild. Jerryd Bayless is more than capable of replacing Barbosa and will likely put up 18+ ppg, 4 rpg, and 7 apg now that he'll get more minutes with Barbosa gone. Every time Bayless has gotten significant minutes he's done extremely well so expect big things from him in the coming months. In fact, over the last 10 games or so last season, Bayless averaged something like 23, 3, and 6 while playing 30-35 mpg.[/QUOTE]
Those are some very bold predictions for Bayless...He does occasionally have the odd good game here and there, but there's no way he gets seven APG with the way he plays, shoots too often, and does not look to pass. He does not play like a PG, but at least he can offer good defense at the PG position.

Did the Pacers really need Barbosa? :confusedshrug:

[quote=GOBB]Did the Pacers really need Barbosa? :confusedshrug:[/quote]

Allegedly they are making Collison the backup and starting Hill. Barbosa then become backup SG to George.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Did the Pacers really need Barbosa? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]



Can it hurt?

[quote=Whoah10115]Can it hurt?[/quote]

I think it shows they are serious about making a deep playoff run this season, as they obviously dont believe in Lance Stephenson for even 10 mpg.
If you wanted to develop Stephenson, it could hurt that a little.

[quote=G-train]Allegedly they are making Collison the backup and starting Hill. Barbosa then become backup SG to George.[/quote]No they aren't. That all stems from Indy's beat writer, he's got some weird agenda that they NEED to start Hill at the point (even though he's not a PG and the numbers back it up) since they traded for him. Vogel's said, in not so many words, that Collison's the starter.

[QUOTE=T.O.RapsJays][B]Those are some very bold predictions for Bayless[/B]...He does occasionally have the odd good game here and there, but there's no way he gets seven APG with the way he plays, shoots too often, and does not look to pass. He does not play like a PG, but at least he can offer good defense at the PG position.[/QUOTE]

How are my comments very bold predictions when he's already proven he's more than capable over and over? Virtually every time he gets starter minutes, he plays extremely well. This hasn't happened once, or twice, or three times, but at least 20-25 times during his four year NBA career.

He's currently averaging about 11 ppg, 2 rpg, and 4apg, but if given the minutes (30+ a game), and taken off the coaches short leash (which he's always been on), expect for him to put up Kyrie Irving type numbers or very close to it for the rest of the season.

[quote=InspiredLebowski]No they aren't. That all stems from Indy's beat writer, he's got some weird agenda that they NEED to start Hill at the point (even though he's not a PG and the numbers back it up) since they traded for him. Vogel's said, in not so many words, that Collison's the starter.[/quote]

Actually I have heard Vogel talk about Hill being a potential starter at least twice.
He isnt a true PG, but he is a good player. I'd rather start at good combo guard at the one, than a truer PG who has played as poorly as Collison in March.

George Hill can light it up.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Can it hurt?[/QUOTE]

What?

I think we'd be a better team with Hill starting at the point.

[QUOTE=midatlantic09]How are my comments very bold predictions when he's already proven he's more than capable over and over? Virtually every time he gets starter minutes, he plays extremely well. This hasn't happened once, or twice, or three times, but at least 20-25 times during his four year NBA career.

He's currently averaging about 11 ppg, 2 rpg, and 4apg, but if given the minutes (30+ a game), and taken off the coaches short leash (which he's always been on), expect for him to put up Kyrie Irving type numbers or very close to it for the rest of the season.[/QUOTE]

And when he puts up those numbers the rest of the team will shoot 38%. He may stuff the stat-sheet now and then but he has no play making abilities.

[QUOTE=Prodigy]And when he puts up those numbers the rest of the team will shoot 38%. He may stuff the stat-sheet now and then but he has no play making abilities.[/QUOTE]

Don't kid yourself; dude's a beast when he gets starter minutes. Tonight Bayless had 28 pts (9-17), 6 rebs, 9 assists, 3 steals, 1 blk, the team shot 48% from the field, and the Raptors won.

As I said before, assuming he continues to play 30+ mpg, don't be surprised if this guy puts up Kyrie Irving numbers (or even Russell Westbrook type numbers) for the rest of the season.

[quote=InspiredLebowski]No they aren't. That all stems from Indy's beat writer, he's got some weird agenda that they NEED to start Hill at the point (even though he's not a PG and the numbers back it up) since they traded for him. Vogel's said, in not so many words, that Collison's the starter.[/quote]

Yeah looks like they are.