Wade is holding Lebron back...

[QUOTE=Fudge]Ain't nothing more entertaining than sitting back watching a few idiot Heat fans and Lebron dickriders argue about the most stupidest shit. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Kobe... is that you??

:biggums:

doubters :facepalm

[QUOTE=305Baller]Kobe... is that you??

:biggums:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, its me.

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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Nobody put a gun to his head (unless Pat Riley was doing it off camera :( )

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So now when LeBron plays bad, your guys' excuse is going to be that Wade held him back. Come on man. This clearly shows you guys are not Heat fans, but are just LeBron dick riders. And I like LeBron too. My 2nd favorite player. But honestly, you guys need to relax.

Yea i know that EnoughSaid....

What is my problem then?

My problem is that i miss the Cleveland Lebron....
i miss watching him score 30 points in the 4th quarter......
i miss him dropping 40-50 point triple doubles over and over........
i miss him scoring 16 points in 2 minutes.....
i miss him averaging up to 31-8-9........
i miss him going for career highs.....
i miss amazing individual performances........

Lebron is BOTTLENECKED in Miami........... people almost forget how truly good he is......... but on the other hand, he did it in order to win a championship..... so ok....

u rather have Wade or Mo Williams Pauk?:biggums:

Unfortunately for pauk, LeBron's individual greatness wasn't enough to win a championship in 7 years with the Cavs.

Wade's on the other hand...was enough. That's why he's wearing that ring.

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]u rather have Wade or Mo Williams Pauk?:biggums:[/QUOTE]

Wade...

Not sure what your point is? Did you read what i said?
I think i made it quite clear that Miami Heat are better with Wade in there..... i am just saying that they are holding eachother back in terms of individual performances.... doh....

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]So now when LeBron plays bad, your guys' excuse is going to be that Wade held him back. Come on man.[B] This clearly shows you guys are not Heat fans, but are just LeBron dick riders.[/B] And I like LeBron too. My 2nd favorite player. But honestly, you guys need to relax.[/QUOTE]

:kobe: Duh, lol.

[QUOTE=pauk]Yea i know that EnoughSaid....

What is my problem then?

My problem is that i miss the Cleveland Lebron....
i miss watching him score 30 points in the 4th quarter......
i miss him dropping 40-50 point triple doubles over and over........
i miss him scoring 16 points in 2 minutes.....
i miss him averaging up to 31-8-9........
i miss him going for career highs.....
i miss amazing individual performances........

Lebron is BOTTLENECKED in Miami........... people almost forget how truly good he is......... but on the other hand, he did it in order to win a championship..... so ok....[/QUOTE]

LeBron has nothing left to prove in terms of stats. He's won 2 MVP's, scoring title, has had tons of triple-doubles, etc. Dude is a stat machine. But what's holding him back? Yep. Dude never had a legit chance of winning the title. Last year was his first real opportunity, and he stunk it up in the Finals. Do you think having him average the same Cleveland stats would matter if he didn't win a title? Ask Robert Horry or Derek Fisher if they'd exchange their titles for statistics or scoring titles. And ask Charles Barkley, Karl Malone or Steve Nash if they'd exchange their MVP's and stats for a title.

I understand that you want LeBron to achieve and reach success in a lot of fields (scoring, MVP's, triple doubles) but it's not like he hasn't proven that he could do it. For 7 seasons in Cleveland, all he did was put up crazy stats after crazy stats. Now it's time to win that title. At the end of the day, all I care about is this team winning the championship.

What Pauk is trying to say is that Wade needs to chill and take a backseat to Lebron.

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This is why LeBron going to South Beach was a terrible choice.

Wade and Bosh is a formidable duo. Two of the nba's elite scorers together, and we already knew how good Wade works with a big(see his ring with Shaq).

But then you put LeBron into that equation rather than some good roleplayers and a top bench, and it's all messed up.

I will always feel that LeBron is suited best as the star of the team, surrounded by mostly roleplayers. He would probably benefit from a low block big who can put up numbers around 20/10 as his second option.

Cleveland was so close to getting it right for LeBron. They were just missing his go to second option. The organization tried many people, but it just wasn't right and never worked, and his mind was probably "I haven't won without stars, now I should win with stars" or something along that line.

Wade is not necessarily holding LeBron back. Rather, they're counterproductive of one anothers skillset.

[QUOTE=Chaddai]What Pauk is trying to say is that Wade needs to chill and take a backseat to Lebron.[/QUOTE]

Why would he do that when he is equally as important to the team? Without him playing aggressively and like he does now, they wouldn't get anywhere. If you are talking about primary ball-handling and play-making, I understand, but no way in hell should Wade take a step back and let LeBron do everything. :no:

[QUOTE=Fudge]Yeah, its me.

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Holy shit Kobe has really short fingers? Is that just the angle or are his fingers really that short?

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Holy shit Kobe has really short fingers? Is that just the angle or are his fingers really that short?[/QUOTE]
that shi happens when you got really tight rings on all five fingers...

:kobe:

[QUOTE=Doctor Rivers]Wade is the 2nd best SG of all time... lebron can only hope to be half the finals performer he is[/QUOTE]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]Unfortunately for pauk, LeBron's individual greatness wasn't enough to win a championship in 7 years with the Cavs.

Wade's on the other hand...was enough. That's why he's wearing that ring.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately for LoneyROY7..... Lebrons or anybodies individual greatness had never much to do with team accomplishments unless those players had the correct teammates to work with around them..... this is not tennis...

Wade won 1 champinoship.... after that, since 2006, he was killed in the 1st round all the time..... and what did Lebron do with his scrub team during that time?

Its not like Wade got worse after 2006.... he actually got much better.... so why was his teams success so bad?

Care to explain? Wades team was simply not that good anymore....... its that simple!

****ing sick and tired of people like you trying to act like a Championship is the act of one man..............

Just say it.... i know you can..... repeat after me... its not so hard.... lets go:

CHAMPIONSHIP IS A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT

[QUOTE=Chaddai]What Pauk is trying to say is that Wade needs to chill and take a backseat to Lebron.[/QUOTE]

He has.

[QUOTE=Chaddai]What Pauk is trying to say is that Wade needs to chill and take a backseat to Lebron.[/QUOTE]

Yes... because Lebron is a better player... a better, more consistant, non injury proned and younger player....

[QUOTE=pauk] i am just saying that they are holding eachother back in terms of individual performances.... doh....[/QUOTE]

Obviously. If there are two dudes who are ball-dominant players, obviously they'll hold each other back with individual performances, but it's all for the greater good, which happens to be ring chasing.

[QUOTE=pauk]Wade...

Not sure what your point is? Did you read what i said?
I think i made it quite clear that Miami Heat are better with Wade in there..... i am just saying that they are holding eachother back in terms of individual performances.... doh....[/QUOTE]

i didnt see the game "at work" but scoring 40 on the sixers seems pretty impressive since they are a team that only allow 88ppg on 42% shooting.

they are ranked #1 in points allowed and Def Rtg

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2012.html[/url]

[QUOTE=pauk]Unfortunately for LoneyROY7..... Lebrons or anybodies individual greatness had never much to do with team accomplishments unless those players had the correct teammates to work with around them..... this is not tennis...

Wade won 1 champinoship.... after that, since 2006, he was killed in the 1st round all the time..... and what did Lebron do with his scrub team during that time?

Its not like Wade got worse after 2006.... he actually got much better.... so why was his teams success so bad?

Care to explain? Wades team was simple not that good anymore....... its that simple!

****ing sick and tired of people like you trying to act like a Championship is the act of one man..............

Just say it.... i know you can..... repeat after me... its not so hard.... lets go:

CHAMPIONSHIP IS A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT[/QUOTE]

There it is. BOOM. The truth.

Now stop pretending that like Wade...you don't. You're jealous that he has a ring and LeBron doesn't. You don't want him to get any credit if the Heat do win...you want LeBron to get all of it.

Is that not true?

Wade won a championship as the best/most dominant player. Pure and simple.

Trade Lebron for Dwight. Problem solved.

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]What the hell are you talking about? They definitely weren't holding each other back against the Celtics and Bulls in the playoffs last year... Do you not remember LeBron and Wade have amazing games in the SAME series? Of course they aren't as productive because they're not the only main ball-handlers, but there is no way in hell that this Heat team that played tonight could win a title without Wade. Plus it was against the Sixers man. The Heat destroyed the Sixers the previous 2 times they met, WITH Wade. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

If lebron plays like he can play.He would have won it 5 years ago.Sometimes you are forgetting how good this guy really is.He can be your best at everything defending rebounding blocking scoring assisting.No other player in history had his kind of versatility.I just wish he tries to emulate MJ mentality.

i agree with pauk ...

where is indian guy? what he has to say about this

So now you're trying to say that because LeBron led his team to the ECF's and the Finals, he's been a better playoff performer? :roll: Wade did it ALL in the Finals series, while LeBron never performed like he should have.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Holy shit Kobe has really short fingers? Is that just the angle or are his fingers really that short?[/QUOTE]
you want your as[SIZE="2"]sh[/SIZE]ole to be fingered with long fingers?

what a dirty prostitute :facepalm

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]If lebron plays like he can play.He would have won it 5 years ago.Sometimes you are forgetting how good this guy really is.He can be your best at everything defending rebounding blocking scoring assisting.No other player in history had his kind of versatility[B].I just wish he tries to emulate MJ mentality[/B].[/QUOTE]
He can't and he never will. #fact

[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]There it is. BOOM. The truth.

Now stop pretending that like Wade...you don't. You're jealous that he has a ring and LeBron doesn't. You don't want him to get any credit if the Heat do win...you want LeBron to get all of it.

Is that not true?

Wade won a championship as the best/most dominant player. Pure and simple.[/QUOTE]

Wade did his thing. No Doubt.

but the Mavs choked as badly as LeBron did last year in the Finals.

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[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]Why would he do that when he is equally as important to the team? Without him playing aggressively and like he does now, they wouldn't get anywhere. If you are [B]talking about primary ball-handling and play-making[/B], I understand, but no way in hell should Wade take a step back and let LeBron do everything. :no:[/QUOTE]

That is what we're talking about. Lebron needs the ball in his hands, period. Wade can play off the ball, he can post up, can score in a lot of ways. He'll get his, Lebron's still generally pass-first.

It's almost more a knock on Lebron than on Wade. Lebron just excels a certain way, and he's REALLY good that way, but pretty much only that way. The taking turns crap just turns him into a role player.

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^^Ya he mad.

:roll:

pauk just curious of what you think regarding what i said on the previous page.

typical lbj stan
in cleveland he cant do himself needs help
in miami wade holding him back:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=pauk]Yea i know that EnoughSaid....

What is my problem then?

My problem is that i miss the Cleveland Lebron....
i miss watching him score 30 points in the 4th quarter......
i miss him dropping 40-50 point triple doubles over and over........
i miss him scoring 16 points in 2 minutes.....
i miss him averaging up to 31-8-9........
i miss him going for career highs.....
i miss amazing individual performances........

Lebron is BOTTLENECKED in Miami........... people almost forget how truly good he is......... but on the other hand, he did it in order to win a championship..... so ok....[/QUOTE]


I agree, It is nice to see he can still Dominate though..

[QUOTE=pauk]Yes... because Lebron is a better player... a better, more consistant, non injury proned and younger player....[/QUOTE]

LeBron can't win shlt without Wade. LeBron needs guys like Wade, Kobe, Rose, Durant, Jordan etc. on his team to close out games.

LeBron is only a pippen, he needs his Jordan to win. Dude lacks a killer instinct and is a goof off that doesn't take things seriously.

That's why Spo should start LeBron at the Point!! Let him always bring the ball up the floor, do the play making, initiate everything and set up teammates. He'll score when he want to, but if he could set up everyone and make the team a better TOGETHER squad, then I'm all for it. I just want to see how the Heat play against the Thunder tomorrow. They got embarrassed the first time, and they better bounce back strong.

Wade is holding LeBron back? Who the **** held Wade back in the Finals?