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So you really want to trade the guy that brought your franchise their one and only title? Wade's as efficient as ever from the field, his stats might look down but that's a result of reduced minutes and a slow start. With Wade gone, how are you guys going to close out games in the 4th? If you really want to break up this team that bad, deal LeBron instead, for a dominant post player.
So if you trade Wade who will score in the 4th quarter come playoff time ?
LeBron,Bosh ? :oldlol:
Dealing Lebron away and stay with an aging guy whose game is already declining ? Come on, get real.
i Don't know why every1 is saying he is declining. That day will come but it's not yet.
Look at how he plays. Look at the stats. A drop-off everywhere. Add to it injury. That's the sign his decline has begun.
You can't trade players in the postseason.
Kobe was traded in the postseason.
Trade Wade?
Lebron Gone?
Bosh Kibosh?
Spo Go?
so many good rhyming options
You could possibly trade wade fir Scallerbrine, but they may also demand bosh as we'll :D
[QUOTE=Punpun]Kobe was traded in the postseason.[/QUOTE]
huh?
I don't think they would trade Wade over Lebron. Most of the blame for them not winning a title will go to Lebron and if it causes them to lose Wade, he'll get a serious backlash from Miami fans and with his mental weakness you might think he'll never recover from that. He might never recover mentally just from losing this year alone so you would have to trade him instead of Wade, plus the Heat would probably get more for Lebron anyway. The Heat could definitely get another superstar back for Lebron while that might not be the case for Wade, plus it would be easier to package Bosh with Lebron instead of Wade to get even more if they went down that route.
Examples:
Lebron James for Deron Williams
Lebron James for Dwight Howard
Lebron James for Carmelo Anthony+Iman Shumpert
Lebron James+Mike Miller for Rajon Rondo+Paul Pierce
Lebron James for Chris Paul
Lebron James+Chris Bosh for Andrew Bynum+Pau Gasol
If I replaced Lebron with Wade in any of those trade scenarios, its probably a no except in NJ and Orlando's case where they would probably do it if they feel like they are losing those players anyway. And even with Deron or Dwight instead of Wade, there would probably be serious questions about them being able to close games out and Lebron would have to be depended on more for that. The Clippers and Lakers might not do those trades even with Lebron, but its a definite no if it was with Wade.
Drafted by the CHarlotte hornets. Traded Monthes after the draft to the Lakers.
[QUOTE=Punpun]Drafted by the CHarlotte hornets. Traded Monthes after the draft to the Lakers.[/QUOTE]
I think you're confusing postseason with offseason. Postseason = Playoffs.
Haha indeed.
[QUOTE=Living Being]That's because when he gets to the basket, he sees this:
[IMG]http://www.shadesofsilence.net/chronocross/ozzieprof.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Don't get it
[QUOTE=Punpun]Pat Riley has to trade Wade during the off season. Regardless of the result during the post-season.
Why ? Well look at this image. You will notice that Wade is averaging 4 less minutes from last year, averaging 1 less FGA, saw a decline in his FG%, is shotting the 3 worse than last year, is shooting it 1.5FG3PA less than last year.
He also goes to the line 2 less times than last year, getting 1.5 less rebounds than last year.
And despite the reduced minutes, his TO and PF didn't go down that much.
And cherry on the cake, he is averaging 3 less points than last year. [B]THat's his worse since his rookie season[/B] and his FGA isn't that down compared to other years, heck it's the same than his second season by example.
Now Bear in mind he ALSO was injured for part of the season.
Yep, [B]Wade is declining[/B]. And he is declining pretty fast at that.
[B]So, Trade Wade[/B][/QUOTE]
If the Heat trade Wade, they go nowhere. Regardless if he fell off or not, trading him doesn't solve their problems. Riley should've known better than to sign 2 ball dominant players at the same time. Like I've said before, Miami has never had a 3 man offense. Therefore, they were better off re-signing Wade and then signing Bosh only. Then you could've just ran a 2 man offense pick and roll with Wade and Bosh. Adding Lebron to the mix f*** that up. They don't have an offensive system for 3 guys, which is why you have the clusterf*** you have now. Let's be real, Lebron is no closer and STILL doesn't want any part of the ball in the last seconds of games. Dude doesn't even attempt a shot. So how does trading Wade solve that?
One of the things that is another problem is that Wade has taken on Lebron's personality. Right now he's a far cry for "mr fall down 6 times, get up 7." That's was one of the things that I admired about him. His heart and determination. That's gone now, and IMO, is one of the reasons why the Heat no longer have that competitive drive that's necessary to win a title. Where did that Wade who extended the series BY HIMSELF vs Boston go? Wade may be a part of the problem, but he's not the main problem.
All the "Heat fans" agreeing with this idiot are not heat fans PERIOD. Wade brought us our first ring. Anyone remember te huge banners in brickell right before you get to south beach called "Wade county"? Your going to trade our most loved player? IMO heats biggest problem is coaching but wait till playoff time heat will tighten up quick...
[QUOTE=LakersReign]If the Heat trade Wade, they go nowhere. Regardless if he fell off or not, trading him doesn't solve their problems. Riley should've known better than to sign 2 ball dominant players at the same time. Like I've said before, Miami has never had a 3 man offense. Therefore, they were better off re-signing Wade and then signing Bosh only. Then you could've just ran a 2 man offense pick and roll with Wade and Bosh. Adding Lebron to the mix f*** that up. They don't have an offensive system for 3 guys, which is why you have the clusterf*** you have now. Let's be real, Lebron is no closer and STILL doesn't want any part of the ball in the last seconds of games. Dude doesn't even attempt a shot. So how does trading Wade solve that?
One of the things that is another problem is that Wade has taken on Lebron's personality. Right now he's a far cry for "mr fall down 6 times, get up 7." That's was one of the things that I admired about him. His heart and determination. That's gone now, and IMO, is one of the reasons why the Heat no longer have that competitive drive that's necessary to win a title. Where did that Wade who extended the series BY HIMSELF vs Boston go? Wade may be a part of the problem, but he's not the main problem.[/QUOTE]
People dont notice the simple problem, "you cant play a team incorporated offense with Lebron James and another star". Lebron is at his best when surounded by scrubs/shooters, Bron has never made another already good player better, he makes them worse. Why, because he plays the role of a PG, but cant beat a double to save his life. The main thing all great PG's do is keep the ball alive and find cutters/shooters/post up mismatches. If Bron cant get past that 2nd defender, problems will arise as they are right now. I cant for the love of god understand how any analyst thinks its a good strategy to run Bron at the point, he cant keep a live dribble anywhere but from the top of the key, thats the reason why 60 something percent of his assists goes to shooters. Bron does not create for the roller, he will run te P&R but cant beat the 2nd man, so he picks up his dribble and finds a shooter. Dude actually tries too hard to find a shooter insted of making the right b ball play.
And no, im not blaming Lebron, im blaming coaching for not realizing that Bron is not a great PG, anybody who believes this does not watch basketball. The thing that Wade does SO MUCH BETTER, is use the P&R to get "ALL THE WAY TO THE BASKET", this opens things up for shooters and bigs down low for him to drop it off to. I dont know what else to say, but Bron should play from the elbow a lot more than he plays from the top of the key. Bron has become a great jumpshooter, why not maximize his shyt, especially if you see that dude struggles to get to the rack in the half, WTF is the point of making him have to ALWAYS beat a help defender if you see that he is not very good at it. I dont understand that shyt.
Wade does have some serious durability issues it seems. Aside from 2006 and I believe his rookie year, at one point or another some injury has come up and effected him and arguably cost them a series even if it was only for just part of a game or one single play. In 05 he played hurt in game 7 vs. the Pistons. In 07 he was injured the whole Chicago series. In 08, he was so banged up they didn't even make the playoffs. In 09, he played hurt vs. the Hawks. In 10, he hurt his leg on a play in game 3 vs. the Celtics and sat out the next play where Pierce hit the game winner with Daequan Cook on him when it would've probably been Wade, clearly their best perimeter defender, on him if he wasn't hurt causing the Heat to go down an insurmountable 0-3. In 11, he missed alot of game 5 of the Finals cause he got hurt.
Its kinda crazy. Lebron and Wade are two of the best players in the league, but Wade's durability issues and/or Lebron's mental toughness issues may be the cause of them never winning at all. Its almost too much too ask for both of those things to not come up at some point in 4 rounds of the playoffs.
As a Heat fan I feel like this big three is a very poor fit, thus moves need to be made, one that particularly ships one of the three out. First I rule out LeBron James as he is the best player in the league. It comes down to Wade and Bosh. Although Wade would make the most sense to trade most likely because him and LeBrons talents are so similar I just don't know if could trade him for everything he's done for the franchise. Sometimes loyalty is more important than anything.
Either way either Wade or Bosh needs to go and the main attraction of the deal coming in HAS TO BE a rebounding legit bigman. Dwight Howard would be perfect for either.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer Hubbs]As a Heat fan I feel like this big three is a very poor fit, thus moves need to be made, one that particularly ships one of the three out. First I rule out LeBron James as he is the best player in the league. It comes down to Wade and Bosh. Although Wade would make the most sense to trade most likely because him and LeBrons talents are so similar I just don't know if could trade him for everything he's done for the franchise. Sometimes loyalty is more important than anything.
Either way either Wade or Bosh needs to go and the main attraction of the deal coming in HAS TO BE a rebounding legit bigman. Dwight Howard would be perfect for either.[/QUOTE]
Just put Wade in the Manu role. Bring him off the bench and stagger the minutes he plays better with Lebron/Bosh.
That way not only do Lebron and Bosh get into the flow better, but so do the role players at the start of the game as well. Then Wade can come in with the 2nd unit and play his style of ball without stepping on the production of Lebron/Bosh.
Then at the end of the game you have Lebron/Bosh in a better flow, the role players more in rhythm, and Wade in better rhythm.
That is actually the answer. Not trading him.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer Hubbs]As a Heat fan I feel like this big three is a very poor fit, thus moves need to be made, one that particularly ships one of the three out. First I rule out LeBron James as he is the best player in the league. It comes down to Wade and Bosh. Although Wade would make the most sense to trade most likely because him and LeBrons talents are so similar I just don't know if could trade him for everything he's done for the franchise. Sometimes loyalty is more important than anything.
Either way either Wade or Bosh needs to go and the main attraction of the deal coming in HAS TO BE a rebounding legit bigman. Dwight Howard would be perfect for either.[/QUOTE]
If you have even a single thought of trading Wade you're not a Heat fan. Pat Riley will NEVER I repeat NEVER trade Wade. He brought Miami it's only championship and we're gonna trade him because we didn't win a championship? And not to mention if we don't win it all this year I GUARANTEE you it won't be because of him.
look at his per 36 stats and he's not declining that bad. He's just playing less minutes. Maybe you could validate trading him because of injury concerns or his inability to play with Lebron, but his declining skills aren't the reason to trade him
[QUOTE=TheNaturalWR]If you have even a single thought of trading Wade you're not a Heat fan. Pat Riley will NEVER I repeat NEVER trade Wade. He brought Miami it's only championship and we're gonna trade him because we didn't win a championship? And not to mention if we don't win it all this year I GUARANTEE you it won't be because of him.[/QUOTE]
The Heat are 10-1 or something without Wade this year. From a basketball standpoint it makes complete sense to let LeBron play his MVP caliber ball without him, replace Wade with a shooter and bring in a guy that can anchor a defense/give them a low post option,while getting double digit rebounds.
Sometimes you got to do what makes sense over deciding things based on favoritism alone.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Just put Wade in the Manu role. Bring him off the bench and stagger the minutes he plays better with Lebron/Bosh.
That way not only do Lebron and Bosh get into the flow better, but so do the role players at the start of the game as well. Then Wade can come in with the 2nd unit and play his style of ball without stepping on the production of Lebron/Bosh.
Then at the end of the game you have Lebron/Bosh in a better flow, the role players more in rhythm, and Wade in better rhythm.
That is actually the answer. Not trading him.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't really matter so much, as Wade will be playing his usual minutes regardless and him and LeBron both play a ton of minutes. The Heat usually have at least one of them on the court at all times, so this doesn't really solve anything. Would be great if this was hockey and the offensive players all have different lines though.
Talent or fit isn't the issue. No one would be saying that if Lebron didn't shrink to a ridiculous level last year in the Finals. There biggest issue is Lebron being able to play up to his potential no matter what the situation is. Thats it. You don't ever know what Lebron you're going to get in a playoff series. He could be clutch like he was against the Celtics or Bulls or just completely out of it like he was against the Mavs. Trading Wade and getting a deeper bench and a more physical big man isn't going to change that.
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]look at his per 36 stats and he's not declining that bad. He's just playing less minutes. Maybe you could validate trading him because of injury concerns or his inability to play with Lebron, but his declining skills aren't the reason to trade him[/QUOTE]
Injury will only quicken his decline. Playing less minutes doesn't give you an excuse for worse shooting. It should be the contrary. The less minutes you have, the more efficient you should be.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer Hubbs]The Heat are 10-1 or something without Wade this year. From a basketball standpoint it makes complete sense to let LeBron play his MVP caliber ball without him, replace Wade with a shooter and bring in a guy that can anchor a defense/give them a low post option,while getting double digit rebounds.
Sometimes you got to do what makes sense over deciding things based on favoritism alone.[/QUOTE]
We're 10-1 without Wade? It's the regular season which IMO makes this whole thing irrelevant. And you can tell the Heat organization know how bad they need Wade as well as they've been resting him a lot this season and limiting his minutes. We're not going anywhere in the playoffs without Wade. Wade's being really unselfish right now sacrificing his numbers to LeBron can get his every night. If last years Finals weren't a sign that Wade is a MUST for this team then I don't know what is. Do you honestly wanna see LeBron freeze up in the Finals again and this time WITHOUT a Dwyane Wade to bail him out? Wade is UNTOUCHABLE. Miami LOVES him and so does Pat Riley.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer Hubbs]This doesn't really matter so much, as Wade will be playing his usual minutes regardless and him and LeBron both play a ton of minutes. The Heat usually have at least one of them on the court at all times, so this doesn't really solve anything. Would be great if this was hockey and the offensive players all have different lines though.[/QUOTE]
Basketball is such a rhythm game....Wade, Lebron, and Bosh simply can't get into that flow when they all start a game. If you played Lebron and Bosh with the first unit and then Wade came in while Lebron/Bosh went to the bench.
It would allow all three of them to play their games at much closer to an optimal level.
It does matter. Do you think Poppovich does this with Manu all the time because it serves no purpose? It helps....in fact it helps quite a bit.
That doesn't mean Wade can't play with those guys...just means they should stagger it better. All three of them starting is not ideal for this team. Not for the big 3 and not for the role players.
[QUOTE=Punpun]Injury will only quicken his decline. Playing less minutes doesn't give you an excuse for worse shooting. It should be the contrary. The less minutes you have, the more efficient you should be.[/QUOTE]
Worse shooting? Wow he dropped a WHOPPING .003 in field goal percentage. And guess what he's still the most efficient shooting guard in the league. :facepalm
[QUOTE=TheNaturalWR]Worse shooting? Wow he dropped a WHOPPING .003 in field goal percentage. And guess what he's still the most efficient shooting guard in the league. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yes. You should be worried about that. His shooting form the three got worse. His shooting generally got worse. And that is with him playing 3.5 LESS MINUTES. The only way to perdon this is if he were to shoot the ball MORE with MORE minutes. That isn't the case.
0.278 from the 3 is just bad.
[QUOTE=Punpun]Injury will only quicken his decline. [B]Playing less minutes doesn't give you an excuse for worse shooting.[/B] It should be the contrary. The less minutes you have, the more efficient you should be.[/QUOTE]
Man STFU, he had been at 51% for most of the year which would be a career high. Get the fukk out this thread, dumb nygga, stop lying to create a argument. His numbers are down cause he is playing 4 less minutes, fukk outta here hating ass nygga.
LMAO, right now he is at 49.7, which would be the 2nd highest in his career if the season ended today.
Dude, I'm not inventing stats. I posted them in the first post. If you aren't concerned by a player who see a literal dropoff on all his stats compared to the year before and the rest of his career, then so be it.
But refrain from calling others stupid. It just makes you look bad.
Sincelerely yours,
Punpun
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Basketball is such a rhythm game....Wade, Lebron, and Bosh simply can't get into that flow when they all start a game. If you played Lebron and Bosh with the first unit and then Wade came in while Lebron/Bosh went to the bench.
It would allow all three of them to play their games at much closer to an optimal level.
It does matter. Do you think Poppovich does this with Manu all the time because it serves no purpose? It helps....in fact it helps quite a bit.
That doesn't mean Wade can't play with those guys...just means they should stagger it better. All three of them starting is not ideal for this team. Not for the big 3 and not for the role players.[/QUOTE]No, Lebron plays best without good players on the floor, why, cause he needs shooters to space the floor so a double cant cheat his way, why, cause he is not agile enough to constantly beat a double. CLE worked with Bron cause every single position could shoot, Bron does not make already god players better, why, cause 66% of his assists goes to shooters. Dude rarely ever hits the roller on a P&R. Bron should not come off the bench, bu he should be the 1st to hit the bench at the 4 min mark. Why, cause you could start the 2nd with 4 shooters on the floor so Bron has the room he needs to get to the rack.
What the hell? No and no. Wade is a whole another piece of this puzzle, the Heat's franchise player. No way in hell that they trade his ass.
[QUOTE=Punpun]Yes. You should be worried about that. His shooting form the three got worse. His shooting generally got worse. And that is with him playing 3.5 LESS MINUTES. The only way to perdon this is if he were to shoot the ball MORE with MORE minutes. That isn't the case.
0.278 from the 3 is just bad.[/QUOTE]
He's never been a good 3 pt shooter so that's a retarded thing to point out. Not to mention he started off the season what 1-12 from three? Just shut up.
[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]What the hell? No and no. Wade is a whole another piece of this puzzle, the Heat's franchise player. No way in hell that they trade his ass.[/QUOTE]
It all comes down to wether Do you trade him now when he has value or at the end of his contract in a few years when his value will have dropped tremendously.
You have to see long-term too. If you can trade Wade for a young star you should do it. Heck, it's not even about how well he fits in the team or not. Just about the Team's future.
And I believe Wade is going to have a dramatic decline. And numbers and injury seems to prove me right.
[QUOTE=Punpun]Dude, I'm not inventing stats. I posted them in the first post. If you aren't concerned by a player who see a literal dropoff on all his stats compared to the year before and the rest of his career, then so be it.
But refrain from calling others stupid. It just makes you look bad.
Sincelerely yours,
Punpun[/QUOTE]Dude, seriously, STFU, you have no point AT ALL> You are spewing a bunch of bullshyt with NOTHING to back it up, NOTHING. If you play 4 less minutes, your numbers will go down you fukkin fool. The fukk is wrong with these dudes. His percentages are the same in the paint, better from mid range, and lower from the 3, why, cause he has took a bunch of bailout 3's. Dude has not been shooting 3's at all, the fukk you expect it to look like if the only ones you take are forced late in the clock. During like their last 10 games dude is shooting in the high 30's from the 3, whats your excuse for that.
[QUOTE=TheNaturalWR]He's never been a good 3 pt shooter so that's a retarded thing to point out. Not to mention he started off the season what 1-12 from three? Just shut up.[/QUOTE]
He is averaging 1.2 FG3PA. He makes 0.278% of them. It's a huge dropoff compared to his prime numbers AND his career average.
He is also getting LESS to the line. Which was his speciality.
[QUOTE=detroitdogg] During like their last 10 games dude is shooting in the high 30's from the 3, whats your excuse for that.[/QUOTE]
1. Show your stats
2. I've made NO excuses. You on the other hand. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Punpun]He is averaging 1.2 FG3PA. He makes 0.278% of them. It's a huge dropoff compared to his prime numbers AND his career average.
He is also getting LESS to the line. Which was his speciality.[/QUOTE]
What numbers you fukkin dummy, if you play less minutes you will get less rebounds, if you play less minutes you will get less assists, what fukkin numbers do you mean. PPG does not mean shyt, why, cause the nygga is playing 4 less minutes than last year you fukkin dummy. Please, get out this thread before I embarrass you with actual numbers.