Jordan Hill

[QUOTE=DKLaker]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Why do you constantly speak of things you do not remotely understand????
If you really want to understand these things you need to either listen and understand to those who know.....or learn for yourself by coaching for an extended time.

There are a ton of ways you can score a high amount of points, it doesn't matter the pace of your style of play. What matters most is making the most of every possession, every time down the floor. If your goal is to take one shot and run away while the ball is in the air then you better shoot a very high %. If you always put 2 guys rebounding your misses you will score more points with 2nd chance opportunities. I could go through a million scenarios and the related situations but it would take way too long.
As for our offense....lmao, if players ran a crappy offense for 10 years and knew it well, it wouldn't be successful.....it would still be crap.

Brown has no clue as to how to run an offense and no clue as to how to mesh the styles and abilities of our players together.
Seriously, any coach who is so stupid that he cannot see how we can destroy any team in the NBA by running pick and rolls shouldn't be coaching in the NBA, he should go back to being a video editor/stats guy.....Metta had this right. Kobe needs to at least help the nitwit out by making a defensive adjustment to stop Andre Miller.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes because Kobe, Bynum, and Pau all couldn't play together this season :rolleyes:

You act like Andre Miller is so guardable. Instead of questioning Brown, why don't you question Ramon Session's weak frame, that can't seem to rotate well defensively on the right guys?

And I got some time, why don't you go through the millions of scenarios? I have yet to hear just one from you.

[QUOTE=dd24][QUOTE=mr sax]For whatever reason, you just don't like Mike Brown. [QUOTE]

It's not just whatever reason. He's given a million of them and they are legit. It's funny to me that there's people that are so tolerant of a coach doing a mediocre job. This is the Lakers. Don't just settle for mediocrity. This team should be able to contend. You really can't compare this year to last year. There was way more drama going on last year (and Fish was still the PG....).[/QUOTE]

I think you can compare last season to this. Why not? How was this a mediocre season? How is a top seed in the west mediocre? Why don't you point out the legit reasons so we can examine your claim that this would have been, in fact, a mediocre season?

[QUOTE=lakerfreak][QUOTE=dd24][QUOTE=mr sax]For whatever reason, you just don't like Mike Brown.

I think you can compare last season to this. Why not? How was this a mediocre season? How is a top seed in the west mediocre? Why don't you point out the legit reasons so we can examine your claim that this would have been, in fact, a mediocre season?[/QUOTE]

I didn't say the season was mediocre. The coach is mediocre. He hasn't changed a thing from his Cleveland days. He sucked then and he sucks now. Of course I'm not going to give him a fair chance from the start. Why in the world would I????? It wasn't like he ever proved himself to make good decisions in his previous job. It was a terrible hiring. The Lakers could win the title this year and I would still say that it's a terrible hiring. Mike Brown should be an assistant in this league.

[QUOTE=dd24][QUOTE=lakerfreak][QUOTE=dd24]

I didn't say the season was mediocre. The coach is mediocre. He hasn't changed a thing from his Cleveland days. He sucked then and he sucks now. Of course I'm not going to give him a fair chance from the start. Why in the world would I????? It wasn't like he ever proved himself to make good decisions in his previous job. It was a terrible hiring. The Lakers could win the title this year and I would still say that it's a terrible hiring. Mike Brown should be an assistant in this league.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't understand this at all, we might as well be speaking in a language he never heard of. Everyone who really knows basketball knows he's a crap coach.
He has no business coaching an NBA team.
I am happy there are guys like you who understand :cheers:

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Oh yes because Kobe, Bynum, and Pau all couldn't play together this season :rolleyes:

You act like Andre Miller is so guardable. Instead of questioning Brown, why don't you question Ramon Session's weak frame, that can't seem to rotate well defensively on the right guys?

And I got some time, why don't you go through the millions of scenarios? I have yet to hear just one from you.[/QUOTE]

I already said what I would do to stop Miller......but any communication with you on this stuff is a waste of my time, you don't get it.

Did anybody else hear what Barkley said after the game? The Lakers lost due to strategy. Karl is a better coach than Brown......

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]The bigger disappointment with more than half of this forum was that Mike Brown was hated on right after he was hired. he hadn't been given a fair shot, and just because in the very beginning when there was chemistry problems, people never factored in the lockout, or the players being out of shape, or the timeline for training camp.

This whole season was expected to be the way it happened. So far there were no surprises to me, other than the blossoming of Bynum, which was a good surprise.

Kobe himself said at the end of the regular season that his relationship with Mike Brown was better than ever. But hey, if its never in the best interest of the person debating, nobody acknowledges it.[/QUOTE]

Oh please. You really think we don't want Brown to succeed, just so we could be proven right?

Let me explain it to you via analogy. (I'm not [I]arguing[/I] by analogy--I'm just trying to elucidate what I and a lot of Laker fans were feeling when Brown was hired).

Imagine you owned the finest sports car ever. It was one of a kind, ran like a dream--the only problem was that it was so complicated and expensive that no mechanic on Earth could fix it once it inevitably broke down. Still, you had a great 10+ years with the thing, and wouldn't have traded your time with it for anything.

So your best-of-its-kind-ever car is gone. But, thankfully, over the last 10+ years, you've amassed enough money to buy literally ANY car on the open market. Dealers are FIGHTING each other just to get the chance to offer you their best.

This time around, you want something different. Your old car was really, really nice but really expensive and high-maintenance, so you pass on the Bugatti, Aston Martin and Lamborghini. OK, then. That's understandable.

You're offered a nice range of reliable but still high performance cars. A high-end BMW or Lexus becomes available, but you pass. You think you know cars, and you want to take the car that really WOWed you in its test drive.

Imagine if the car you ultimately picked was a 1987 Datsun pickup. And you paid in the price range of the BMW or Lexus, even though you totally didn't have to. Do you truly, honestly expect your friends to not give you crap (or at least not be surprised) when they find out what you picked?

This is where you roll your eyes at me for comparing Mike Brown to a 1987 Datsun. But it's not a complete insult. Those things were solid and reliable. You knew what you had with them. They were nice non-date cars.

But, again, you had your pick of EVERY CAR ON THE OPEN MARKET AND YOU PICKED A FREAKING DATSUN. Expect more than a little bit of second-guessing to take place.

So, yeah. I would love love LOVE to have to eat crow. Win a championship, Mike Brown. I would gladly retire my ISH account forever on principle if he won us a title. And as a mod, you can actually hold me to that. Do it. You have my permission.

But I expect and know better.

Oh, and by the way, your post had an air of pretension in it that's pretty hilarious (I'm not sure if it was intentional, so forgive me if I'm wrong). Calling out your team when it does something questionable does NOT make you a bad fan. Just like being an apologist or contrarian to these alleged haters does not make you a better fan. I'm not calling you an apologist, btw, but to say we're being big meanie heads for not giving Brownie a chance is to miss the point entirely. This is the mother****ing LAKERS. A B- or C+ coach is not gonna cut it.

And one more thing. You're suggesting that Brown is getting an unfair share of the blame when things go wrong. I can only give anecdotal evidence, but most of the fury I saw from Laker fans tonight was levied at the entire team. Brown got his portion of hater stew, but most of the fans I know and read rightfully called out Bynum and Gasol (and pretty much everyone but Kobe and Hill) for giving less than one iota of ****.

That seems... fair to me. They all deserve to be called out. Brown hasn't made the necessary adjustments, Bynum's being a team cancer, Gasol's turned back into Unengaged McPassivity, Sessions and Blake still don't play defense, Barnes and Ebanks have been shooting the ball like they owe a Denver mob boss money, etc. Kobe's the only one bringing it every night, and that fact alone is why so many fans give him a free pass when he goes 1-on-5 on a given night.

Frank Foley that was :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
AND Datsun :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm not sure Lakerfreak knows what a Datsun is :D

FF, I can complain that you don't post enough.....but I can't complain about the QUALITY of your posts :cheers:

Frank Foley, that's the best way I've seen it explained. I've been trying to put that into words for a while now. And yes tonight there's a lot of finger pointing to do, it's not just the coach. It really looks like there's guys who have just given up and I have to wonder if it has something to do with Brown or not. After watching Bynum's post game comments it really seems like he's completely checked out. He was pretty upset about not playing in the 4th quarter too. Pau didn't show up at all and while he has been professional publicly about his role change with the team one would have to think he's not happy about it. Or maybe Pau's wife cheated on him again (because she just likes to do that during the playoffs) and this time it was with Bynum :lol :oldlol: :D

[QUOTE=dd24]Did anybody else hear what Barkley said after the game? The Lakers lost due to strategy. Karl is a better coach than Brown......[/QUOTE]

There are a ton of AAU, High School, College, NBA, FIBA etc coaches who would destroy Mike Brown in a even level talent head to head battle.
I'm not kidding.....the dumbass still cant figure out that playing Blake and Sessions at the same time is a stupid idea. We need a real coach. Kobe should have sat out the game and coached the team tonight....the only chance we had.

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I'm not kidding.....the dumbass still cant figure out that playing Blake and Sessions at the same time is a stupid idea. We need a real coach. Kobe should have sat out the game and coached the team tonight....the only chance we had.[/QUOTE]

I was really confused by the small ball move too. That's the whole reason Brewer was lighting it up..... Blake and Sessions are too small to be guarding him. The guy is 6'9". Why on earth did it take so long to get a SF back on the court??? Not to mention it was Pau and Hill in the front court at that time too wasn't it? At least have Bynum in the game if he's going to make a move like that. It would've been crazy for him to sit Kobe in the begining of the 4th too. I'm glad Kobe pleaded with him to stay in the game. That was really smart of Kobe. Kobe realized if they were going to make a run they needed to do it right away and if the game was still out of control then he'd end up getting his rest at the end of the game. You at least have to go all in and give it a chance rather than try to give up in the begining of the 4th.

I mentioned before there's more fingers to be pointed tonight than just at Brown, but those are some of the things that really upset me that he did tonight.

No knock on Hill but Murphy should probably see time with bynum.

Hill with gasol.

[QUOTE=TryToBeUnbias]No knock on Hill but Murphy should probably see time with bynum.

Hill with gasol.[/QUOTE]

I think I know where you're going with this....and I'll probably agree with you, so please explain your reasons.

[QUOTE=TryToBeUnbias]No knock on Hill but Murphy should probably see time with bynum.

Hill with gasol.[/QUOTE]

I see the logic behind it on paper but I just haven't been impressed with what Murphy has done at all. I'd rather just see Hill and McRoberts.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]I think I know where you're going with this....and I'll probably agree with you, so please explain your reasons.[/QUOTE]

Spacing ? then yes that's exactly where I'm going with it the nuggets have no respect for the Lakers perimeter shooting.

[QUOTE=dd24]I see the logic behind it on paper but I just haven't been impressed with what Murphy has done at all. I'd rather just see Hill and McRoberts.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see mcroberts play a little more as well he'd do better on maninmal or whatever his name is I just haven't had any complaints about Hills play other the fact that I feel like he shouldn't be shooting at all.

Like I posted previously I was just looking for someone to help space the floor so at least one the twin towers has more room to operate.

Honestly Defense is the main issue.

[QUOTE=Frank Foley]Oh please. You really think we don't want Brown to succeed, just so we could be proven right?

Let me explain it to you via analogy. (I'm not [I]arguing[/I] by analogy--I'm just trying to elucidate what I and a lot of Laker fans were feeling when Brown was hired).

Imagine you owned the finest sports car ever. It was one of a kind, ran like a dream--the only problem was that it was so complicated and expensive that no mechanic on Earth could fix it once it inevitably broke down. Still, you had a great 10+ years with the thing, and wouldn't have traded your time with it for anything.

So your best-of-its-kind-ever car is gone. But, thankfully, over the last 10+ years, you've amassed enough money to buy literally ANY car on the open market. Dealers are FIGHTING each other just to get the chance to offer you their best.

This time around, you want something different. Your old car was really, really nice but really expensive and high-maintenance, so you pass on the Bugatti, Aston Martin and Lamborghini. OK, then. That's understandable.

You're offered a nice range of reliable but still high performance cars. A high-end BMW or Lexus becomes available, but you pass. You think you know cars, and you want to take the car that really WOWed you in its test drive.

Imagine if the car you ultimately picked was a 1987 Datsun pickup. And you paid in the price range of the BMW or Lexus, even though you totally didn't have to. Do you truly, honestly expect your friends to not give you crap (or at least not be surprised) when they find out what you picked?

This is where you roll your eyes at me for comparing Mike Brown to a 1987 Datsun. But it's not a complete insult. Those things were solid and reliable. You knew what you had with them. They were nice non-date cars.

But, again, you had your pick of EVERY CAR ON THE OPEN MARKET AND YOU PICKED A FREAKING DATSUN. Expect more than a little bit of second-guessing to take place.

So, yeah. I would love love LOVE to have to eat crow. Win a championship, Mike Brown. I would gladly retire my ISH account forever on principle if he won us a title. And as a mod, you can actually hold me to that. Do it. You have my permission.

But I expect and know better.

Oh, and by the way, your post had an air of pretension in it that's pretty hilarious (I'm not sure if it was intentional, so forgive me if I'm wrong). Calling out your team when it does something questionable does NOT make you a bad fan. Just like being an apologist or contrarian to these alleged haters does not make you a better fan. I'm not calling you an apologist, btw, but to say we're being big meanie heads for not giving Brownie a chance is to miss the point entirely. This is the mother****ing LAKERS. A B- or C+ coach is not gonna cut it.

And one more thing. You're suggesting that Brown is getting an unfair share of the blame when things go wrong. I can only give anecdotal evidence, but most of the fury I saw from Laker fans tonight was levied at the entire team. Brown got his portion of hater stew, but most of the fans I know and read rightfully called out Bynum and Gasol (and pretty much everyone but Kobe and Hill) for giving less than one iota of ****.

That seems... fair to me. They all deserve to be called out. Brown hasn't made the necessary adjustments, Bynum's being a team cancer, Gasol's turned back into Unengaged McPassivity, Sessions and Blake still don't play defense, Barnes and Ebanks have been shooting the ball like they owe a Denver mob boss money, etc. Kobe's the only one bringing it every night, and that fact alone is why so many fans give him a free pass when he goes 1-on-5 on a given night.[/QUOTE]Your finest sportscar in the world got swept out of the playoffs by a pickup truck last year

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[QUOTE=Frank Foley]Four points:
1) I said at the very beginning that I wasn't arguing by analogy--I was trying to explain what I (and others) were thinking when this whole thing went down.
2) I also mentioned that Phil's time was up--I still wouldn't trade those years for anything, would you?
3) Carlisle was more like a pickup truck with a hidden turbocharged engine. People are going to argue that it's 20/20 hindsight, but he truly was a respected basketball mind even prior to last year. And if anecdotal evidence isn't good enough for you, just look at how he continued to tinker and adjust throughout last year's playoffs. He did a great job. I haven't seen Datsun doing the same.
4) It was unnecessary to quote that entire long post just to throw in a one-liner. But thanks for the acknowledgment earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha Bobo :cheers: !!!!!!!

[QUOTE=TryToBeUnbias]Honestly Defense is the main issue.[/QUOTE]

I think it's consistent effort that is missing....

Sometimes we look like a serious contender.. other times
we suk!

[QUOTE=dd24]Gotcha Bobo :cheers: !!!!!!![/QUOTE]
It's sad that was the high point of your day but keep doing what you do.

Obvoiusly Frank Foley takes himself to seriously and fails to recognize sarcasm.
You'd think somebody not arguing by analogy by typing an analogy would be more receptive.

Fact is many in this forum has been all over Mike Brown since day one with no reason other than he's not Phil Jackson. Now I will grant most of it done by known trolls using multiple accounts to to provide their own support in their discussion but still this forum has for the most part lacked any critical thinking skills when it comes to this season the new CBA the future of the Lakers. We actually had people chiding the Lakers front office for not going after Chauncey Billiups and Lin when the facts are the Lakers couldn't go after them. That's just two examples but far from the only instances I've read this season

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[QUOTE=dd24]Far from the high point of my day, but it was a good post nonetheless. You're way off base when you say the reason people don't like Brown is because he's not Phil Jackson. It's because he's not a good coach! We've explained this in great detail many times. He's mediocre at best and Lakers fans want better than that. It's pretty simple. They could've hired a number of different people and nobody would be ripping on the coach like this at all. It would be one thing if it was just the fans. When all the ex nba players who do commentary and give their opinions as well have said the same and pointed out how many mistakes he's made that's definitely more than forum trolls. Let's not forget, Cleveland fired this guy because Lebron was fed up with him and didn't want to play for him any more. They did so as a last ditch effort to try to keep him there. That really sounds like a guy that people want to play for...... The Chauncey thing was a while ago but if I remember correctly the Lakers did try to go after him. They just didn't put in as high of a bid as the Clippers did, because the Clippers had all kinds of cap space. I'm glad the Lakers didn't go after Lin. He's way over rated. Let him stay on another team that won't be able to win any championships.[/QUOTE]Prime example of what I'm talking about.

For the last time due to the new CBA the Lakers are barred from bidding on Billups Lin and any other player that was or is waived. They cannot bid or make offers on free agents if they are over the cap until every team under the lux cap has passed on bidding for that players services.

The rest of your post is mostly hot air. Show us some actual quotes bring us some actual data and stop re-vomiting up sports writers conjecture that 95% of the time is just made up or distorted stories for the blind followers to read.

Chaz ring a bell? Berger made saps out of so many laker fans with that one and all he does weeks later is tweet I stand corrected when the facts are revealed.

If all those experts are so stupid and you're so smart why don't you just take one of their jobs? There's no hot air to what I said. Just read through the threads on this message board and you'll see that most people don't think Mike Brown is a good coach and we've given plenty of specific examples as to why. You can post your BS but when it comes down to it the only two people here who really like Brown as a coach and try to defend him are you and Lakerfreak. The rest of the world doesn't view him as a good coach based on all of his bonehead moves that I'm not going to repost over again.

[QUOTE=dd24]If all those experts are so stupid and you're so smart why don't you just take one of their jobs? There's no hot air to what I said. Just read through the threads on this message board and you'll see that most people don't think Mike Brown is a good coach and we've given plenty of specific examples as to why. You can post your BS but when it comes down to it the only two people here who really like Brown as a coach and try to defend him are you and Lakerfreak. The rest of the world doesn't view him as a good coach based on all of his bonehead moves that I'm not going to repost over again.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm


Translated: "I can't find one valid link to back up my point so I'll just keep blowing hot air"

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[QUOTE=B

[QUOTE=dd24]Far from the high point of my day, but it was a good post nonetheless. You're way off base when you say the reason people don't like Brown is because he's not Phil Jackson. It's because he's not a good coach! We've explained this in great detail many times. He's mediocre at best and Lakers fans want better than that. It's pretty simple. They could've hired a number of different people and nobody would be ripping on the coach like this at all. It would be one thing if it was just the fans. When all the ex nba players who do commentary and give their opinions as well have said the same and pointed out how many mistakes he's made that's definitely more than forum trolls. Let's not forget, Cleveland fired this guy because Lebron was fed up with him and didn't want to play for him any more. They did so as a last ditch effort to try to keep him there. That really sounds like a guy that people want to play for...... The Chauncey thing was a while ago but if I remember correctly the Lakers did try to go after him. They just didn't put in as high of a bid as the Clippers did, because the Clippers had all kinds of cap space. I'm glad the Lakers didn't go after Lin. He's way over rated. Let him stay on another team that won't be able to win any championships.[/QUOTE]


WTF is with anyone who thinks they know basketball defending MB.....as you said EVERYONE who knows the game knows he is a turrible coach :oldlol:

Some folks need to be given an NBA IQ test.....lol.

From the start I wanted Rick Adelman,( like DK) and I wanted Mike Brown only as the team's defensive coordinator.
I have my own issues with Mike but I don't think he is that terrible like some fans here think, calling him patato head, clown, clueless etc.
Brown lead Cleveland to a pretty good record and I don't think it's just bec of the greatness of Lebron along with his horde of role players.
Lakers was the 3rd best team in the West, with Kobe struggling at 42% Pau taking in a new role and a weak bench. Factor in that they had very limited training camp and preseason games etc.
If Mike is so dumb and stupid, Lakers would have really struggled winning, team and players stats would be revealing all these and most importantly, players would surely revolt like what happened so many times before.
Am I saying that Mike Brown is a great coach? Absolutely not.
but my goodness....one fan here boldly stated that any coach would have easily guided this team to wins over Boston, Dallas, OKC, Spurs etc like Brown did...:eek:

[url]http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-plaschke-lakers-brown-20120525,0,1024366.column[/url]

Great article on Mike Brown

As much as Mike Brown's lack of coaching disturbs me, his comments about the game......virtually all of his comments are horrifying. He tells reporters that he has no idea what type of energy his team will come out with????
WTF.....is he a fan or is he the coach of the team? I'll be damned if I ever make an idiotic comment like that, he is coaching a veteran championship team and he doesn't know they are fired up nor that he has done anything to fire them up....Plasche even knew this was disturbing. The guy doesn't have the winning mind of a championship coach.....nor any coaching ability.

This reminds me of Adam Morrison......guys were saying that they expected big things his last season with the Lakers. I told everyone that he just doesn't move or react like an NBA player, he so badly failed my eye test it wasn't even funny. Brown fails my eye test, ear test......every test I have.

Tam.....on any given day any team can beat another team.....do you really think ANY team in basketball history has gone a season only losing to contenders??? We have enough talent on this team to beat anyone with or without a coach on a given night.....don't try to credit Brown for a few regular season wins as if that is what the Lakers are all about :banghead:

[QUOTE=DKLaker][url]Tam.....on any given day any team can beat another team.....do you really think ANY team in basketball history has gone a season only losing to contenders??? We have enough talent on this team to beat anyone with or without a coach on a given night.....don't try to credit Brown for a few regular season wins as if that is what the Lakers are all about :banghead:[/QUOTE]

Yes, you have a valid point that on a given day any tean can beat another but without a "coach on a given night? against the top teams?
Lakers won 62% of their games, won the series vs the Clips, swept Dallas and Boston etc etc. Again Im not saying Brown is a good coach but the worst one? I disagree.
If this is the case, it would manifest in
1. Stats and win/loss records. Their offense would be less efficient, ranking in the bottom 3rd in FG%, turnovers, assists/game. Thier defense will be porous, bottom 3rd in allowed pts, FG% blocks, etc etc.
2. Leaders on the team will be extremely vocal to the point of ripping him in public and/or internally. As you and some other fans explained before, superstars will get coaches fired. Magic did it, MJ, Howard, Deron Williams, etc etc. If they can't get the coach fired, there are other ways like playing half heartedly, or faking injuries resulting to bad losses.
ok let me ask you where do you rank Mike Brown with the following coaches.
Flip Saunders, Vinny Del Negro, Paul Westphall, Paul Silas, Keith Smart, Lionel Hollins, Erik Spoelstra. Would you please rank them from best to worst? thanks... esp for not using profanities and insults.:rockon:

Didn't the Lakers organization go after none of the player MB wanted ?

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]Yes, you have a valid point that on a given day any tean can beat another but without a "coach on a given night? against the top teams?
Lakers won 62% of their games, won the series vs the Clips, swept Dallas and Boston etc etc. Again Im not saying Brown is a good coach but the worst one? I disagree.
If this is the case, it would manifest in
1. Stats and win/loss records. Their offense would be less efficient, ranking in the bottom 3rd in FG%, turnovers, assists/game. Thier defense will be porous, bottom 3rd in allowed pts, FG% blocks, etc etc.
2. Leaders on the team will be extremely vocal to the point of ripping him in public and/or internally. As you and some other fans explained before, superstars will get coaches fired. Magic did it, MJ, Howard, Deron Williams, etc etc. If they can't get the coach fired, there are other ways like playing half heartedly, or faking injuries resulting to bad losses.
ok let me ask you where do you rank Mike Brown with the following coaches.
Flip Saunders, Vinny Del Negro, Paul Westphall, Paul Silas, Keith Smart, Lionel Hollins, Erik Spoelstra. Would you please rank them from best to worst? thanks... esp for not using profanities and insults.:rockon:[/QUOTE]

LMAO.....you do realize we have a helluva lot of talent right???

I bet my old butt could take down the baddest warrior if I was armed with a machine gun and he had a pea shooter.....lol.

In case you missed it, the Lakers players have no respect for Brown as a coach.....is anyone actually arguing against this???

I rank Mike Brown last among the coaches you listed....just a bit behind Vinny. Mike Brown doesn't even understand the game he is supposed to be coaching. His real experience is that of a video editor......not even someone who can analyze the video. Now the guy is conning his way into jobs with the greatest players in the league......it would be completely laughable if not for the fact that we hired him. I used to laugh at the guy when he coached Cleveland.....I mean it was extremely obvious that he had no clue as to what he was doing.......they may as well hired a team's massage therapist to coach for all the guy knew.
Vinny at least played in the NBA, at least he knows something about the game. Coach Spo is also laughable, it was like giving the keys to the greatest race car ever to a kid who just passed drivers training.....lol.
If Miami wins it will be because of superior talent NOT his coaching.

[QUOTE=TryToBeUnbias]Didn't the Lakers organization go after none of the player MB wanted ?[/QUOTE]

Mike Brown thought he was going to have a team that consisted of CP3, Kobe, and Dwight. After all that failed, he thought he was going to have a team with Lamar Odom off the bench. That failed as well.

The season was tough to begin with. Anxious to see how this off-season plays out. One thing is for sure, the title of this thread is who we need to keep. I've never seen someone hustle so much, and have stats to back it up. He was way more valuable than McRoberts.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]LMAO.....you do realize we have a [B][U]helluva lot of talent right???[/U][/B]I bet my old butt could take down the baddest warrior if I was armed with a machine gun and he had a pea shooter.....lol.

In case you missed it, the Lakers players have no respect for Brown as a coach.....is anyone actually arguing against this???

I rank Mike Brown last among the coaches you listed....just a bit behind Vinny. Mike Brown doesn't even understand the game he is supposed to be coaching. His real experience is that of a video editor......not even someone who can analyze the video. Now the guy is conning his way into jobs with the greatest players in the league......it would be completely laughable if not for the fact that we hired him. I used to laugh at the guy when he coached Cleveland.....I mean it was extremely obvious that he had no clue as to what he was doing.......they may as well hired a team's massage therapist to coach for all the guy knew.
Vinny at least played in the NBA, at least he knows something about the game. Coach Spo is also laughable, it was like giving the keys to the greatest race car ever to a kid who just passed drivers training.....lol.
If Miami wins it will be because of superior talent NOT his coaching.[/QUOTE]
ahh How do you define helluva talent, again?:confusedshrug:
1.Your leader shoots 42%, contemplated on retiring after registering all time playoff lows, had to go to Germany to get that plasma thing last summer
2. As you whined and cried for 4 years that Fisher is the WORST starting PG, backed up by your detailed stats.
3. YOu also proclaimed that Pau is as soft as puppy crap who grew a female reproductive anatomy.
4. You lose your BEST 6TH man, Lamar Odom to Dallas for nothing.:banghead:
5. YOu said Steve Blake is a SCRUB!!!:hammerhead:
6. You starting center is one of the most selfish players around, losing his cool, getting tossed in couple of games, suspended for 5 games or simply would not hustle when he doesn'tget the ball.
7. YOur bench is arguably the weakest in the entire league, so much so you whined about the managements' inability to sign players like Jeremy Lin..:rolleyes:
8. Your starting SF, Metta shot like 18 % from the 3pt area, shot like 33% from the field the first 3 months.
See how it all works out for your argument when you basically trashed everybody from the Lakers roster not named Kobe?
Yeah, thats helluva talent, better than the Clips with thier talent? Memphis?
What about Boston with their big 4 who had a lower record?
Ok I get it, you hate Mike Brown.

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]ahh How do you define helluva talent, again?:confusedshrug:
1.Your leader shoots 42%, contemplated on retiring after registering all time playoff lows, had to go to Germany to get that plasma thing last summer
2. As you whined and cried for 4 years that Fisher is the WORST starting PG, backed up by your detailed stats.
3. YOu also proclaimed that Pau is as soft as puppy crap who grew a female reproductive anatomy.
4. You lose your BEST 6TH man, Lamar Odom to Dallas for nothing.:banghead:
5. YOu said Steve Blake is a SCRUB!!!:hammerhead:
6. You starting center is one of the most selfish players around, losing his cool, getting tossed in couple of games, suspended for 5 games or simply would not hustle when he doesn'tget the ball.
7. YOur bench is arguably the weakest in the entire league, so much so you whined about the managements' inability to sign players like Jeremy Lin..:rolleyes:
8. Your starting SF, Metta shot like 18 % from the 3pt area, shot like 33% from the field the first 3 months.
See how it all works out for your argument when you basically trashed everybody from the Lakers roster not named Kobe?
Yeah, thats helluva talent, better than the Clips with thier talent? Memphis?
What about Boston with their big 4 who had a lower record?
Ok I get it, you hate Mike Brown.[/QUOTE]

A bad coach will make any team worse while a great coach will elevate a bad team or mediocre players, this is a no-brainer.
If we had a better coach we would've had a better result.....don't embarrass yourself trying to argue against this.

The Clippers have a bad coach and a ton of injuries, Memphis had a ton of injuries, for them to have been as close to us in the standings as they were is a complete embarrassment.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]A bad coach will make any team worse while a great coach will elevate a bad team or mediocre players, this is a no-brainer.
If we had a better coach we would've had a better result.....don't embarrass yourself trying to argue against this.

The Clippers have a bad coach and a ton of injuries, Memphis had a ton of injuries, for them to have been as close to us in the standings as they were is a complete embarrassment.[/QUOTE]

So, Mike Brown made a team whose leader shot 42%,
-having the worst starting PG for the majority of the season,
-a very soft PF,
- an incredibly selfish center,
-No Lamar Odom,
-a struggling SF
-weakest bench etc etc made it worse by winning a paltry 62% win/loss record, better than Boston, Clips, Memphis etc,:rolleyes: okay.

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]So, Mike Brown made a team whose leader shot 42%,
-having the worst starting PG for the majority of the season,
-a very soft PF,
- an incredibly selfish center,
-No Lamar Odom,
-a struggling SF
-weakest bench etc etc made it worse by winning a paltry 62% win/loss record, better than Boston, Clips, Memphis etc,:rolleyes: okay.[/QUOTE]

Apparently you don't understand what a coach does......if you don't get that there is no point to continue a discussion with you.

Just a hint of 1 thing........having a good offense helps the players respect you, gives the team easy baskets and gives your star players easier scoring opportunities.......YOU'RE WELCOME :D .

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Apparently you don't understand what a coach does......if you don't get that there is no point to continue a discussion with you.

Just a hint of 1 thing........having a good offense helps the players respect you, gives the team easy baskets and gives your star players easier scoring opportunities.......YOU'RE WELCOME :D .[/QUOTE]

[B]I think having a good coach does make an offense easier for someone to shoot better than 42%.[/B]
But with Tam's other points, I don't see how the coach could change these. For example, When Ron was struggling, he was wide open and still missing. It is probably due to his back issues he had this season so I can't blame Ron much. He did get better during mid season after all.

Pau Gasol was soft, is still soft, and will always be soft. I can't see any coach improving that. Not at this age.

Worst starting PG for most of the season. Even you agreed Fisher was terrible. Coach couldn't bring him back to his old days.

No Lamar Odom...Him + Management. That was it. Odom was a moron, and lakers called his bluff.

Phil Jackson couldn't even stop Bynum from being selfish. He had to work around it. A selfish Bynum didn't do that bad this season either. He just has to mature more.

[B]But with player shooting percentages, I agree with you DK. That definitely is an offense issue.[/B] I never said Brown was amazing. I think he is average. There are worse coaches than Brown. At least his defensive schemes were good. Bring in Del Negro or Scott Brooks....Del Negro had a team arguably better than the lakers. Younger, more athletic, and better role players and bench. Im surprised LAC brought him back. Scott Brooks has a bunch of young talent. Two superstars, and great role players, and Harden. If he had a losing record, I'd laugh. In my opinion, which is humble, and is not fact, I believe if you put mike brown on those teams, they do significantly better than those two coaches.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak][B]I think having a good coach does make an offense easier for someone to shoot better than 42%.[/B]
But with Tam's other points, I don't see how the coach could change these. For example, When Ron was struggling, he was wide open and still missing. It is probably due to his back issues he had this season so I can't blame Ron much. He did get better during mid season after all.

Pau Gasol was soft, is still soft, and will always be soft. I can't see any coach improving that. Not at this age.

Worst starting PG for most of the season. Even you agreed Fisher was terrible. Coach couldn't bring him back to his old days.

No Lamar Odom...Him + Management. That was it. Odom was a moron, and lakers called his bluff.

Phil Jackson couldn't even stop Bynum from being selfish. He had to work around it. A selfish Bynum didn't do that bad this season either. He just has to mature more.

[B]But with player shooting percentages, I agree with you DK. That definitely is an offense issue.[/B] I never said Brown was amazing. I think he is average. There are worse coaches than Brown. At least his defensive schemes were good. Bring in Del Negro or Scott Brooks....Del Negro had a team arguably better than the lakers. Younger, more athletic, and better role players and bench. Im surprised LAC brought him back. Scott Brooks has a bunch of young talent. Two superstars, and great role players, and Harden. If he had a losing record, I'd laugh. In my opinion, which is humble, and is not fact, I believe if you put mike brown on those teams, they do significantly better than those two coaches.[/QUOTE]


Wow.....I took SO MUCH HEAT for calling Pau soft last offseason and most of this season :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: Now it is a proven fact :banana:

The team would've done better if the bench was used properly and bad players minutes were cut. ron Shouldn't have gotten as many minutes until he proved he could cut it.......this was the time to keep Ebanks in the mix to develop him. Same goes for DFish....shouldn't have been playing more than 10 minutes per game EVER.....start Blake and give Goudelock and even Morris a chance to develop and get comfortable......this is why San Antonio is as good as they are. Goudelock is the best pure shooter on the team and he was left to rot on the bench.....this is idiotic.

I would NEVER have Pau more than 15 feet away from the basket PERIOD!!! I'm old school, I like my PF's to rebound, Pau doesn't get any rebounds if he is 20 feet out and the shot goes up.....his shooting from distance sucks too.......this is what happens when you have a horrible coach. Pau needed to work in closer range with Bynum, opposite sides of the paint, better angles etc....

The Lakers acted almost as immature as Odom. Nuff Said.

Of course Bynum needs to mature more but when everyone knows the coach is clueless, that his plays are dumb and he really doesn't know how to relate to the team....do you actually expect him to mature under those conditions??? Obviously he was worse attitude wise than he was last year.

I guarantee you that this time next year you guys will be calling brown a moron, just like you all now admit Pau is soft and done........but don't worry, I always have room for my Lakers brothers on my bandwagon :cheers: