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I don't think any of you are considering the time factor in this. Humans as we know it have only been around this planet for a cosmic second . That means there is a highly minute possibility we would parallel another civilisations. We don't have the tools yet to see what lies too far beyond our galaxy.
do you think the universe is infinite in size or is there a boundary where you cant go any further?
also there has to be life in space, considering we only landed on the moon. We never landed on a star or a planet out of our galaxy nor did we ever took a picture of a star close up.
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IMAGINE THAT BIGGEST ONE HITTING US... errrrr... give sme the creeps... wonder what we are the that biggest star... :confused:
The sun is technically a star.....i'm sure we'll send someone bad there one day. Probably Bush.
Alpha Centauri is the other closest star. 4 light years away or [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]24,000,000,000,000 miles. Max rocket speed is something like 10,000mph so it would take around 300,000 years for a current rocket in perfect conditions to land on the closest star.
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How do you think followers (or leaders) of the world's major religions would react if we discovered extraterrestrial life? Imagine the theological scramble to explain [I]THAT[/I] one. :roll:
For that matter, how do you think your average person would react?
wouldn't affect me.
religion is just a means to live a goodly life....nothing more.
believing in god is all that matter really.
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Valid point. OK, I understand that the MASS that was created during the Big-Bang is still expanding infinitely in all directions, but it's not like once you pass the perimiter of said mass, there's just going to be a brick wall or something. There's just going to be more space infinitely in all directions. Something else fun to consider is that once you're past the perimiter of the mass of our 'universe'(this word is a bit misleading) which was created during the Big-Bang, maybe a googolplex of light years away(most likely MUCH farther away, however), there could be other mass infinitely hurtling through space created by a very similar 'Bang,' much longer ago than ours. Or much more recently. And in infinite space, there could be an infinite number of mass, created by an infinite number of 'Bangs'. The possibilities are endless.[/QUOTE]
what is a googolplex again? i forgot the algorithms but some engineers fondly speak of it as some immensely large number using some kind of exponential addition.
[QUOTE=i seen hippos]wouldn't affect me.
religion is just a means to live a goodly life....nothing more.
believing in god is all that matter really.[/QUOTE]
i seen hippos, what is your stance on intelligent design?
i don't believe in it.
god created earth and left it. god made everything scientifically explainable so things would make sense to us.
we'll be judged once we die and that's the only time god will stick his nose into our business.
on a half serious note, i think this is just a test cause there's really a war going on in the heavens (with maybe more gods) and the most devoted of us will be given higher ranks while the lesser of us will be foot soldiers or something. lol
this theory also means dudes like osama bin laden will be ranked very high, cause while we don't agree with what he does, he's very devoted to his cause "in the name of god"....don't even know if he's that religious actually.
[QUOTE=i seen hippos]i don't believe in it.
[B]god created earth and left it. god made everything scientifically explainable so things would make sense to us. [/B]
we'll be judged once we die and that's the only time god will stick his nose into our business.
on a half serious note, i think this is just a test cause there's really a war going on in the heavens (with maybe more gods) and the most devoted of us will be given higher ranks while the lesser of us will be foot soldiers or something. lol
this theory also means dudes like osama bin laden will be ranked very high, cause while we don't agree with what he does, he's very devoted to his cause "in the name of god"....don't even know if he's that religious actually.[/QUOTE]
isn't that essentially a simple interpretation of intelligent design?
you can still be a christian and believe that aliens exist, at least if you believe that aliens are like animals and cannot go to heaven and hell, and believe that god created humans first then aliens
what if the other life forms are sentient crystals? :confusedshrug:
yea, but i'm under the impression that intelligent design states that the world was created 2000 or so years ago, which i don't believe.
i also don't believe the stupid science people who think cause you can explain things with science, god didn't create us or the universe. as if god wasn't smart enough to incoporate science into our universe.
[QUOTE]What if the aliens are more intelligent than we are? Will they still be considered to be like animals?
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what if they don't hold any concept like religion or god though?
[QUOTE=B-Low]When you see just how small earth is in this universe it really makes people who think Earth has the only life look stupid[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't. I'm unsure myself but have neither heard nor seen any proof that planet size determines whether or not a planet is more or less capable of sustaining life. There is an unknown number of planets, stars, and galaxies out there so it may have happenned but the size of earth isn't proof.
what if other life forms do not exist in the same spectral plane as we do? what if htey exist in the fifth dimension and we can only glimpse them when at different EM wavelengths for short periods of times?
there is obviousl a biochemical/physical rationale behidn their existence, but they will appear merely as "ghosts" to us. will there be religious stigma attached to them?
[QUOTE=Laker Logic]How do you think followers (or leaders) of the world's major religions would react if we discovered extraterrestrial life? Imagine the theological scramble to explain [I]THAT[/I] one. :roll:
For that matter, how do you think your average person would react?[/QUOTE]The Hindu religion teaches that there is actually an infinite number of planets with various life forms on them. The Christian Bible simply doesn't address the subject, so it would neither prove nor disprove anything if the only thing discovered is, say, some purple amoebas.[QUOTE]you can still be a christian and believe that aliens exist, at least if you believe that aliens are like animals and cannot go to heaven and hell, and believe that god created humans first then aliens[/QUOTE]None of that is necessary. The Bible doesn't discuss aliens at all.
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Is that from The Simpsons?[/QUOTE]
yeah in an episode a few years ago Kursty the Clown made Itchy and Scratchy promos by making
Confederate Itchy
Scratchbob ITchpants
and Osama Bin Scratchy
[QUOTE=ClutchCityReturns]First of all, I'm a firm believer that there is life in the universe beyond what we know, if for no other reasons than the odds simply being stacked against us being alone in such a huge ass universe. Seriously, as you can see from those comparisons, our planet is but a grain of sand on a beach. Maybe even smaller.
So what I was thinking is this...
Since there are other planets out there that are soooooo much bigger than Earth, what if the creatures that live on those planets are bigger too? I assume creatures on Earth are a certain size due mainly to the size of the planet (don't want it too crowded or we'd use up all the resources) and because of the gravitational pull we have here which makes it impractical to be huge. So what if some other planets that don't have such a strong gravitational pull, or whatever different kinds of differences are involved, makes it possible for creatures to grow proportionate to the size of their planet. I mean, it's not as extreme an example, but if an ant is 10,000 times smaller than a human, what keeps a creature on some other distant planet from being 10,000 times larger than us? Maybe even more than that. I guess what I'm saying is that when people think of life on other planets, they probably imagine things that are roughly the size of what we have here on Earth, but why does that have to be the case?
According to those comparisons, if a creature somewhere else in the universe had what we would consider relative size to his own planet, his right nut could be the size of Earth. That is, if they have balls there.
Space is crazy and so am I. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Actually, it has more to due with the percentage of oxygen in our atmosphere...
Due to millions of years of vegetation domination on the earth's surface, there was an oxygen rich environment that allowed invertabrates to grow to enormous proportions. Vertebrates were dangerously close to losing the evolutionary war, but when oxygen supplies dwindled, our complex lung structures allowed us to thrive while the giant bugs suffocated...
I, too, am in the belief that there is other life out there. Like you said, statistically speaking, there has to be. I'm not so sure about your question of there being life that much bigger then us. Sure, whales are pretty big, but it's nothing like the size difference from an ant to a human.
I don't know if planet size would effect life size in the way you are thinking. I think it would be reasonable to say that life on larger planets would tend to be smaller due to the gravity, while, on smaller planets, lower gravity would allow for a larger size. That, however, would only be viable for life as we know it.
In any case, a planet can only be so small while retaining an atmosphere, which would most definatly be required for any type of life. It is also my understanding that a planet with a solid surface can only get so large. So there is only so much variation available, but once again, it's for life as we know it, which is life that resembles that which is on Earth. There could be, and probably is, all sorts of weird life out there that has completely different rules.
In case anyone is interested...
Mass of the Earth: 5,974,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg.
Mass of the Sun: 1,988,920,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg.
The universe is a big and amazing place.
The sooner you realize that we are the only living beings out here, the better off you'll rest at night. Humans rule the universe, all those planets aren't conducive to support life. Praise humans, we can't be beat.:pimp:
[QUOTE=Jerm]The sooner you realize that we are the only living beings out here, the better off you'll rest at night. Humans rule the universe, all those planets aren't conducive to support life. Praise humans, we can't be beat.:pimp:[/QUOTE]
actually no. We won't rule the universe anytime soon. We can't even rule our own world right now. One earthqauke, one tsunami, one volcanic eruption and our hands are full.
We're more likely to end up causing our own extinction than rule the universe.
[QUOTE]actually no. We won't rule the universe anytime soon. We can't even rule our own world right now. One earthqauke, one tsunami, one volcanic eruption and our hands are full.
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Those are things beyong human control. We can't control mother earth, mother earth is the only one above us and I aint mad at the b!tch. If I was, I'll easily help destroy it.
exterrestrials and deep space travel may not become a reality... even if aliens do exist somewhere unless there is a major technological advance and paradigm shift inthe way humans do things.
most notably, humans will need to break the laws of physics to travel at faster than light speeds to travel to teh nearest galaxy...
Of course there are other life forms outside of human beings. Stop being so damn arrogant humans. GOD doesnt create a universe where there are things within it just for show n tell. Those "stars" or whatever the ***** was posted sounding like fighters in Troy arent just there to be there. Everything has a purpose and some things we just arent meant to know what for...yet (perhaps). Just like we cant think for GOD. But rest assure there are other forms of life out there. You just dont have other planets for the sake of it. And the galazy is so huge man cant even explore it all.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Of course there are other life forms outside of human beings. Stop being so damn arrogant humans. GOD doesnt create a universe where there are things within it just for show n tell. Those "stars" or whatever the ***** was posted sounding like fighters in Troy arent just there to be there. Everything has a purpose and some things we just arent meant to know what for...yet (perhaps). Just like we cant think for GOD. But rest assure there are other forms of life out there. You just dont have other planets for the sake of it. And the galazy is so huge man cant even explore it all.[/QUOTE]
yeah everything you said are all valid points. but then again, the point of this thread is for speculation.. wrong and right.
[QUOTE]Stop being so damn arrogant humans.[/QUOTE]
i suggest taking your own advice.
[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]yeah everything you said are all valid points. but then again, the point of this thread is for speculation.. wrong and right.
i suggest taking your own advice.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you stop being such a post whore. And to say the point of this thread is for speculation is cute. But reality is life exists outside of Earth. You cant handle it because you like most humans need physical evidence. Similar to proving GOD exist. If you dont see an image the chances of buying it 100% is slim. Like most humans they think the world starts and ends here. You know GOD sending down his "son" to give us the "laws" of the lawwwwd. So therefore any other life existing out there is silly. We are it. So many arrogant theories from us humans.
How long does it take from Earth to pluto? Can a human physically be placed in a spaceship to that destination? And if they cant why create a planet out of reach to man? Man is making great advancements when it deals with outter space. Us humans dont even use our entire brain. So much to learn, so little time for us but we can only hope future generations help uncover the pieces to a great mystery. You dont have a star 20 times the size of our sun that is 3-4 times the size of Earth for NO APPARANT reason. It doesnt just sit there for decoration. Get with the problem.
[QUOTE=GOBB]I suggest you stop being such a post whore. And to say the point of this thread is for speculation is cute. But reality is life exists outside of Earth. You cant handle it because you like most humans need physical evidence. Similar to proving GOD exist. If you dont see an image the chances of buying it 100% is slim. Like most humans they think the world starts and ends here. You know GOD sending down his "son" to give us the "laws" of the lawwwwd. So therefore any other life existing out there is silly. We are it. So many arrogant theories from us humans.
How long does it take from Earth to pluto? Can a human physically be placed in a spaceship to that destination? And if they cant why create a planet out of reach to man? Man is making great advancements when it deals with outter space. Us humans dont even use our entire brain. So much to learn, so little time for us but we can only hope future generations help uncover the pieces to a great mystery. You dont have a star 20 times the size of our sun that is 3-4 times the size of Earth for NO APPARANT reason. It doesnt just sit there for decoration. Get with the problem.[/QUOTE]
read my previous posts.
absence of proof is not proof of absence. that point is well taken. but it is not proof of existence either.
i am aware that humans cannot possibly traverse the infinite vastness of the universe, much like ShannonElements has pointed out. moreover, because of the sheer immensity of the universe, there always exists the possibility of extraterrestrial life. I mentioned before that unless humans experience a gigantic technological advancement and paradigm shift, it is not likely we are goin to hop on space cruisers and sail off into the stars like Captain Kirk.
anyway, discussing this topic isn't really something I can claim much expertise on. I know as much as a college student who has never taken astrophysics, but who has taken Intro Bio knows about life and the possibiltiy of extraterrestrial life.
but enjoy the speculation people.
btw GOBB, i've removed the post whore stigma from you. now you can be GOBB-- the true master of ISH.. or whatever else you want to be.
Earth is a small small world after all.
[QUOTE]This is the thing though: we've only confirmed a handful of planets outside of our solar system. Who's to know what planets might and might not be conducive towards life? Would you say there's maybe a one-in-a-trillion chance that there's life on another planet? Well, those are pretty damn good odds in relation to infinity.[/QUOTE]
We "only" confirmed the planets we are able to observe. They are all giants, like Jupiter and Saturn, but there probably are many more that haven't yet been possible to observe.
BTW, some believe that the number of stars in the universe is in the range of 10^21-10^22. A one-in-trillion possibility of a star system to support life would still imply the existance of a few trillions of hospitable planets.
[QUOTE=GOBB]How long does it take from Earth to pluto? Can a human physically be placed in a spaceship to that destination? And if they cant why create a planet out of reach to man? Man is making great advancements when it deals with outter space. Us humans dont even use our entire brain. So much to learn, so little time for us but we can only hope future generations help uncover the pieces to a great mystery. You dont have a star 20 times the size of our sun that is 3-4 times the size of Earth for NO APPARANT reason. It doesnt just sit there for decoration. Get with the problem.[/QUOTE]
Agree, everything is here for a reason. Go outside and look at something on the ground. You might say, why is this here, but it is some little creatures home and places for resourses. Look at the Sun and Moon, they are not just here for no reason, earth needs it.
Why are their moons around Jupiter? Who knows.
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Ever hear of existensialism? It in itself pretty much goes against your argument.
Ever see the movie "What the Bleep do we Know"? You(and everyone) should check it out. It's incredible, and just might alter the way you think in more than a few ways.[/QUOTE]
I dont care what goes against my argument. You cant explain things existing without purpose. Neither can I but my belief in GOD leads me to believe things arent just there for show n tell. Everything has a purpose. The sun that brightens up our day has a purpose. Can you deny it? Nope. So how can anyone deny the purpose of something far far away that is insane in size? Because they cant get near, experiement, study? Go figure. Man has been making great strides in figuring out what cant be proven based on info placed down for you and I to read. But look at how things are evoling, advanced technology. Who is to say 2-3 thousands years from now we find out the purpose that star serves? And 2-3 thousand years ago we are looked at as "people who didnt believe" much like those who believed the world wasnt round. I'm sure some *****s back then thinkin it was a square went so based on no proof. Not many thought it would be possible to travel into outter space. We're now roaming it like a city.
WE only want to believe what we can see basically. We want some facts written down after reasearch has been done to say "ok i believe". I dont need it, GOD is a supreme being and I wont sit here and think Earth is it and the rest are blinds, shades, posters, mirrors in a *****in room. :no:
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How long does it take from Earth to pluto? Can a human physically be placed in a spaceship to that destination? And if they cant why create a planet out of reach to man? Man is making great advancements when it deals with outter space. Us humans dont even use our entire brain. So much to learn, so little time for us but we can only hope future generations help uncover the pieces to a great mystery. You dont have a star 20 times the size of our sun that is 3-4 times the size of Earth for NO APPARANT reason. It doesnt just sit there for decoration. Get with the problem.[/quote]
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[QUOTE] Even though some mysteries of brain function persist, every part of the brain has a known function.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain#_note-0"][1][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain#_note-1"][2][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain#_note-2"][3][/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It's very difficult for me to imagine some kind of boundry. What would be on the other side of it? Oh, and I seriously doubt we'll ever land on a star...[/QUOTE]'
There isn't a bounday per se. Every creature/creation rests on God's palms. So if you get to the end, you'll probably step on God's foot which will spell trouble for the rest of us. God will take a look at what/who stepped on his foot and he'll flail his arms causing an earthquake. Got it?
[QUOTE]Agree, everything is here for a reason. Go outside and look at something on the ground. You might say, why is this here, but it is some little creatures home and places for resourses. Look at the Sun and Moon, they are not just here for no reason, earth needs it.
Why are their moons around Jupiter? Who knows.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone knows what exists for a reason and what not. It's more a matter of chance than reason for me. After all, "reason" is a human-made term above all...
[QUOTE=GOBB]Of course there are other life forms outside of human beings. Stop being so damn arrogant humans. GOD doesnt create a universe where there are things within it just for show n tell. Those "stars" or whatever the ***** was posted sounding like fighters in Troy arent just there to be there. Everything has a purpose and some things we just arent meant to know what for...yet (perhaps). Just like we cant think for GOD. But rest assure there are other forms of life out there. You just dont have other planets for the sake of it. And the galazy is so huge man cant even explore it all.[/QUOTE]
Either GOD, excuse i mean GOBB, is right or he just proved there is no God.
BTW, You say "we cant think for GOD", but you are speaking for him in the post. You cant speak for God either. No one knows his intentions.
[QUOTE=SHADYMILKMAN]Either GOD, excuse i mean GOBB, is right or he just proved there is no God.
BTW, You say "we cant think for GOD", but you are speaking for him in the post. You cant speak for God either. No one knows his intentions.[/QUOTE]
What do you sit around and just wait for posts like these to appear you clown? Got any thoughts on the subject or you rather sift thru peoples posts and pull a hoe move "hey u cant say that then this", "wait either ur right or ur wrong...which is it?". Drop some thoughts on the topic or STFU you out of shape white boy.
[QUOTE=GOBB]What do you sit around and just wait for posts like these to appear you clown? Got any thoughts on the subject or you rather sift thru peoples posts and pull a hoe move "hey u cant say that then this", "wait either ur right or ur wrong...which is it?". Drop some thoughts on the topic or STFU you out of shape white boy.[/QUOTE]
No. I just got back from playing basketball and checked up on this topic that has interested me. I'm with you, i believe in God and all that. Im just telling you when you say we cant think for God, and then later in the post speak for him, you and contradicting yourself. And what i said about you either being completely right or being completely wrong is right. Either all the extra stuff shows that there is no God and the big bang created everything, or else there is a God and he has a purpose for everything.
[QUOTE]or do you believe God was like *poof*, and Adam and Eve materialized in the Garden of Eden?[/QUOTE]
Thats some religious stuff man created. Dont insult me with that sillyness kid.
I believe in GOD and thats all that matters. GOD created everything so for the most part life outside of Earth to me exists and seeing these images I believe they are there for some reason. Dont know the reason. Might not ever know in my lifetime. Thats what i believe. GOD is good.
The appendix in the human body doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever. It serves as decoration for the worms that live inside your body. The use a piece of it to woo the ladies when they're out on a date.