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I'm sure the daughter is really going to be able to turn her life around now that her parents will be in jail for the rest of their lives.....parents are going to regret this shit forever. What happens to all of their kids now? They just screwed up their whole family more than they helped it.
This isn't much different than killing someone who is supplying drugs to your daughter. At the end of the day it's the individuals choice, noone has a gun to their head.
Parents are stupid for killing the dude and also for throwing the rest of their lives away too.
Oh and f*ck defense lawyers too. Scum 99% of the time.
[QUOTE=irondarts]I'm sure the daughter is really going to be able to turn her life around now that her parents will be in jail for the rest of their lives.....parents are going to regret this shit forever. What happens to all of their kids now? They just screwed up their whole family more than they helped it.[/QUOTE]
One more scum of the earth dead. That makes the world a better place. The girl's life is unlikely to be better or worse.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]She was 17...left home a year earlier on her own. And was appearing in escort service ads? Pimping is not slavery. Unless he had her ****ing with a gun to her head he didnt deserve to die.[/QUOTE]
fear is a powerful tool. ask the american government.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]One more scum of the earth dead. That makes the world a better place. The girl's life is unlikely to be better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Bullsh!t, now the girl has to live with the fact that HER choice lead to her parents being in jail, left the other kids without parents and also that HER choice got her pimp killed.
I'm sure that shit will weigh on her for the rest of her life.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]One more scum of the earth dead. That makes the world a better place. The girl's life is unlikely to be better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Really? You really think this won't have a negative effect on the daughter or the parent's other kids? Now that's just ignorant.
[QUOTE=irondarts]Really? You really think this won't have a negative effect on the daughter or the parent's other kids? Now that's just ignorant.[/QUOTE]
She was already a runaway with a bad home life. As Blaze pointed out she's been out of the house for a year. Them killing her pimp and going to prison will likely have little impact on her already ****ed life. Even if so.... it may make her life worse (not sure how if she wasn't a dependent) but it may save many girls from this lifestyle.
[QUOTE=irondarts]I'm sure the daughter is really going to be able to turn her life around now that her parents will be in jail for the rest of their lives.....parents are going to regret this shit forever. What happens to all of their kids now? They just screwed up their whole family more than they helped it.[/QUOTE]
i don't think they will be in jail for life. 15-20 for the guy who will get out in about 7. And the mom will probably get like 10 and do 2.
[QUOTE=YAWN]fear is a powerful tool. ask the american government.[/QUOTE]
:applause: . Apparently being intimidated into something is now considered free will :oldlol: . So when mobsters would go and extort shop owners for "protection money" it's free will of the shop owners! Nevermind the fact that if they don't do it... they will get their shop torched, blown up or shot up.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]She was already a runaway with a bad home life. As Blaze pointed out she's been out of the house for a year. Them killing her pimp and going to prison will likely have little impact on her already ****ed life. Even if so.... it may make her life worse (not sure how if she wasn't a dependent) but it may save many girls from this lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
What about guilt? What about her feeling like her siblings have no parents in their lives due to her choices?
I doubt anybody is going to be saved from this story, there's probably another pimp on the same corner right now.
This is just a shitty situation from all angles, but the parent's weren't right in killing the pimp, because I'm sure there's another pimp taking over. It's like drug dealers, one dies or goes to jail, another one is on the same corner the next day.
[QUOTE=YAWN]i don't think they will be in jail for life. 15-20 for the guy who will get out in about 7. And the mom will probably get like 10 and do 2.[/QUOTE]
Another fact. Given the circumstances... I'm sure they will serve less than half time for good behavior.
[QUOTE=irondarts]What about guilt? What about her feeling like her siblings have no parents in their lives due to her choices?
I doubt anybody is going to be saved from this story, there's probably another pimp on the same corner right now.
This is just a shitty situation from all angles, but the parent's weren't right in killing the pimp, because I'm sure there's another pimp taking over. It's like drug dealers, one dies or goes to jail, another one is on the same corner the next day.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are other pimps dude. That's common sense that there is always a new criminal stepping into the role of the ones you arrest/kill. Doesn't mean you can't have an impact taking one scumbag off the streets. Otherwise you're basically saying there is no point in enforcing laws or arresting people because it will keep happening anyways :confusedshrug: .
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]One more scum of the earth dead. That makes the world a better place. The girl's life is unlikely to be better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Life isn't as black and white as you make it seem. It would be wonderful living life in that fashion because it will make things simple, but it's a lie. You don't know the whole back story of this girl, what lead her to this direction, what lead the pimp to this direction. For all we know, the parents could have been abusive (not physical, but emotional or psychological), and the girl would rather live on the streets than live with them. Yes, what the pimp did was wrong, but how about we find out his story? Oh, I'm sorry, he's dead and you believe he deserved it. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Of course there are other pimps dude. That's common sense that there is always a new criminal stepping into the role of the ones you arrest/kill. Doesn't mean you can't have an impact taking one scumbag off the streets. Otherwise you're basically saying there is no point in enforcing laws or arresting people because it will keep happening anyways :confusedshrug: .[/QUOTE]
But I was replying to the fact that you said that some girls may be saved by this story, that's doubtful, the same vulnerable girls will be taken adantage by pimps, I really don't think this story will change anything.
Again, this whole situation is very sad and pointless to me. The parent's will now live to regret this decision, and they didn't really help they're daughter in any way, and they hurt their other children. So now one pimp's dead? OK, his replacement is now taking over. Big deal. Nothing changes, one face is taken over by another. Two parents are in jail, and there's kid's without parents for a good chunk of time.
[QUOTE=irondarts]It's like drug dealers, one dies or goes to jail, another one is on the same corner the next day.[/QUOTE]
I would think most of these guys have some sort of code about not messing with minors, but I guess thats too much to ask.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]Life isn't as black and white as you make it seem. It would be wonderful living life in that fashion because it will make things simple, but it's a lie. You don't know the whole back story of this girl, what lead her to this direction, what lead the pimp to this direction. For all we know, the parents could have been abusive (not physical, but emotional or psychological), and the girl would rather live on the streets than live with them. Yes, what the pimp did was wrong, but how about we find out his story? Oh, I'm sorry, he's dead and you believe he deserved it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
All I need to know is statistics in this case. Combine that with my experience in this stuff and it's no surprise I have strong opinions. Very few minors volunteer for prostitution. It's almost always forced prostitution and you guys want me to look at the other side of the coin and go with the possible 10 percent chance that she volunteered and should be held accountable?
I'm okay with holding the parents accountable because had they raised her better it almost certainly wouldn't have happened. To blame the girl though for ignorance, lack of education, being mentally fragile and vulnerable???
90 percent of prostitutes were physically abused at home and 74 percent were sexually abused, so obviously she was probably abused. Which is why I've said multiple times some blame on parents is justified.
[QUOTE=YAWN]I would think most of these guys have some sort of code about not messing with minors, but I guess thats too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
Pimps? Doubtful, minors are probably the most vulnerable and easy to lure into the lifestyle. It's sick but true.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]Yes, what the pimp did was wrong, but how about we find out his story? Oh, I'm sorry, he's dead and you believe he deserved it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? There is absolutely nothing that could justify pimping out minors for sex. MINORS BoogieWoogieMan, MINORS!
[QUOTE=YAWN]I would think most of these guys have some sort of code about not messing with minors, but I guess thats too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
It's sick. In countries like Pakistan they have 10 year old prostitutes.
BTW, CF86, I agree that it's good to have scum like this off the street (but there's lots more), but I don't think the parent's accomplished anything positive for their daughter (and other children) by executing some vigilante justice.
This chick has probably already found a new pimp. Once a ho, always a ho. Now her parents are in jail for no good reason.
BTW you guys realize child traffickers/molesters/rapists all get a green light in prison right? If the dad didn't kill the guy somebody in prison would have probably crippled or killed him. At least he died pretty quickly here rather than getting shanked 50 times and bleeding out.
[QUOTE=YAWN]Are you serious? There is absolutely nothing that could justify pimping out minors for sex. MINORS BoogieWoogieMan, MINORS![/QUOTE]
I missed out on that key fact, but I still don't think the Pimp deserves death. Living life behind bars seems like a better punishment.
Anyways, there will always be pimps and prositutes in the world as long as money exist.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]BTW you guys realize child traffickers/molesters/rapists all get a green light in prison right? If the dad didn't kill the guy somebody in prison would have probably crippled or killed him. At least he died pretty quickly here rather than getting shanked 50 times and bleeding out.[/QUOTE]
So you're cool with wasting a clip on him, but not having him getting stabbed 50 times?
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]So you're cool with wasting a clip on him, but not having him getting stabbed 50 times?[/QUOTE]
That's not the point I was trying to make. I was basically saying.... he was dead either way probably it doesn't really matter who killed him. What you guys aren't remembering is that there are reports of these parents going to the police for help. They weren't helped... and only after a while took matters into their own hands.
This isn't some spur of the moment situation where option 1 was to go kill somebody.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]That's not the point I was trying to make. I was basically saying.... he was dead either way probably it doesn't really matter who killed him. What you guys aren't remembering is that there are reports of these parents going to the police for help. They weren't helped... and only after a while took matters into their own hands.
This isn't some spur of the moment situation where option 1 was to go kill somebody.[/QUOTE]
I can understand the parents intentions, but they should have brought attention to the media that the police were doing f*ck all. By giving them the green light for vigilante justice, why shouldn't other people have the right to do the same? What is crossing the line?
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]BTW you guys realize child traffickers/molesters/rapists all get a green light in prison right? If the dad didn't kill the guy somebody in prison would have probably crippled or killed him. At least he died pretty quickly here rather than getting shanked 50 times and bleeding out.[/QUOTE]
Pimps definitely dont get that treatment in prison.:oldlol: Dude was from compton and probably knows half the guys in the joint/has connects everywhere.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]I can understand the parents intentions, but they should have brought attention to the media that the police were doing f*ck all. By giving them the green light for vigilante justice, why shouldn't other people have the right to do the same? What is crossing the line?[/QUOTE]
I agree it's obviously a thin line. I'd rather have a bunch of parents killing pimps than having pimps :confusedshrug: . Vigilante justice is the lesser evil when compared to allowing these scum to walk the streets. If cops won't arrest them then what can you do? Jail or death are the only options and one wasn't happening.
I doubt the media would have picked this story up and done anything considering how common prostitution is.
She was 17...not exactly a helpless child. Sure she maybe was influenced to some extent but she was old enough to make her own choices. This guy was probably a douche but deserved a fair trial like anyone else. And I doubt pimping 17 year-olds makes you a big target in prison. What the parents did isn't commendable in and of itself, and as others have pointed out has damaged the lives of their other children. The happiest guy in all this is the pimp that gets to take over the dead guy's turf.
ETA: Parents should have gone back in time and shot whoever had the wise idea to outlaw prostitution. We wouldn't have pimps without that guy.
[QUOTE=tpols]Pimps definitely dont get that treatment in prison.:oldlol: Dude was from compton and probably knows half the guys in the joint/has connects everywhere.[/QUOTE]
He was a 22 year old pimp. Doubt he has a ton of connections. Even if he's safe with the blacks he's going to have to worry about the other groups. All it takes is for one of the guards to let it slip that he was pimping kids and it all changes. Young pimps get absolutely ZERO respect though.
[QUOTE=SCY]She was 17...not exactly a helpless child. Sure she maybe was influenced to some extent but she was old enough to make her own choices. This guy was probably a douche but deserved a fair trial like anyone else. And I doubt pimping 17 year-olds makes you a big target in prison. What the parents did isn't commendable in and of itself, and as others have pointed out has damaged the lives of their other children. The happiest guy in all this is the pimp that gets to take over the dead guy's turf.[/QUOTE]
Just going by statistics and probability. Chances are if the guy has a 17 year old (who may have been with him since 16) he has a few 14 or 15 year olds too. I agree if that was his youngest, he's not going to stand out. Either way.. I stand by the fact that he's better off dead. I have a Texas mentality where I DO NOT believe everybody deserves a fair trial. Some deserve death on the spot.
Anybody now realize why she ran away from home in the first place? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]He was a 22 year old pimp. Doubt he has a ton of connections. Even if he's safe with the blacks he's going to have to worry about the other groups. All it takes is for one of the guards to let it slip that he was pimping kids and it all changes. Young pimps get absolutely ZERO respect though.[/QUOTE]
Pimping kids? He was pimping women.. who happened to be 17. Half the hookers out there are very young. It's not at all the same as someone who got caught in a child trafficking business.. not even close. There's a huge fine line you're blurring here.
And if he ever went to jail it probably would've been for weapons possesion or some type of assault/violent act. He wasnt in the mold of some sick antisocial wierdo pervert.. pretty much the opposite.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Just going by statistics and probability. Chances are if the guy has a 17 year old (who may have been with him since 16) he has a few 14 or 15 year olds too. I agree if that was his youngest, he's not going to stand out. Either way.. I stand by the fact that he's better off dead. I have a Texas mentality where I DO NOT believe everybody deserves a fair trial. Some deserve death on the spot.[/QUOTE]
Well since you have that mentality, I'm going to take the leap that you've committed a few vigilante murders. Who needs facts? I'm coming right over to shoot you dead on the spot.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Murder is better than prostitution?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the circumstance. In this case yes. Murdering one criminal has a good impact on the world with very little consequence. Allowing that pimp to live.. and run a ring of 15+ prostitutes which spread disease, unwanted children (accidental pregnancy) among other things such as the pimps beating and essentially enslaving multiple women in many situations?
I'd say 1 death to save the lives of many is a choice you should make 10 times out of 10.
[QUOTE=tpols]Pimping kids? He was pimping women.. who happened to be 17. Half the hookers out there are very young. It's not at all the same as someone who got caught in a child trafficking business.. not even close. There's a huge fine line you're blurring here.
And if he ever went to jail it probably would've been for weapons possesion or some type of assault/violent act. He wasnt in the mold of some sick antisocial wierdo pervert.. pretty much the opposite.[/QUOTE]
Not sure where you are from but 17 is a kid bro. I know from what you said before that you're 19 or something like that but when you get to the age where you start thinking kids, your perspective will change.
To be a pimp you have to have ****ed up morals and anti social issues among other things. Not sure why you're defending pimping of minors :roll: . Tells me a lot about you.
[QUOTE=SCY]Well since you have that mentality, I'm going to take the leap that you've committed a few vigilante murders. Who needs facts? I'm coming right over to shoot you dead on the spot.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't even make sense. What I'm deducing is LIKELY and PROBABLE based on FBI statistics and personal experiences. You assuming I've murdered because I said I'm glad he's dead or that if I was the parent I'd do the same isn't even a good comparison :no: .
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Not sure where you are from but 17 is a kid bro. I know from what you said before that you're 19 or something like that but when you get to the age where you start thinking kids, your perspective will change.
To be a pimp you have to have ****ed up morals and anti social issues among other things. Not sure why you're defending pimping of minors :roll: . Tells me a lot about you.[/QUOTE]
How am I defending pimping?:oldlol: All I was refuting was that pimps get treated like child molestors in jail. Thats a joke. There's no pimping code that says anything about minors. ALL pimps do that.. there isnt some pimping convention run out of nevada that regulates ages for pimping recruitment. Thats how it is.. and of course it's wrong and totally disgusting. But its not in the category you're putting it in that prison gangs specifically target.
In the media it is wide spread what blacks think about pimping. They fvcking glorify it.. which makes what you said completely backwards.
[QUOTE] Apparently being intimidated into something is now considered free will .[/QUOTE]
Give me one speck of evidence that it happened.
There are hundreds of millions of women who dont suddenly start running with a pimp. They are doing something to prevent it it seems...
And shes 17?
A 17 year old is responsible enough for their own actions to not assume they got forced to have sex for money when all we know is that they had sex for money. Plenty of women are doing it without being forced.
[QUOTE]So when mobsters would go and extort shop owners for "protection money" it's free will of the shop owners! Nevermind the fact that if they don't do it... they will get their shop torched, blown up or shot up.[/QUOTE]
Yea...because millions of shop owners extort themselves....
These women have free will. dude didnt walk into her parents house and make her **** for money.
Something happened between 10 year old with the world ahead of her and being a whore at 17. And you have no evidence that that pimp made whatever it was happen. how many women with sexual jobs claim they were molested?
These women arent hit with the Men in Black mind wiping beam and told to be whores.
Are some idiotic/weak willed women manipulated? Goes without saying.
Are a lot of women getting pimped by choice because they rather have the protection/setup and doing it on their own is more dangerous?
Can many simply...stop? And choose not to for reasons ranging from not wanting to to needing the money for a drug addiction?
Goes without saying. And its not like its my opinion. There are documentaries with them saying the same thing.
Im not saying a guy deserves to die when I have no information aside from a girls parents believing he somehow talked her into it. Thats what any parent would tell themselves......
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]This doesn't even make sense. What I'm deducing is LIKELY and PROBABLY based on FBI statistics and personal experiences. You assuming I've murdered because I said I'm glad he's dead or that if I was the parent I'd do the same isn't even a good comparison :no: .[/QUOTE]
You're missing the point. Your FBI statistics and personal experiences should not be deciding who has the right to live or die, any more than my baseless assumptions should. We take away a person's freedom after proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not when you or a vigilante deduces that it's OK to do so. We have a legal system in this country. If you're not happy with the way it's working, do what you can in your power to fix it; and don't complain that it's not easy as picking up a gun.
Just realized my avy+user title is extremely ironic for this post.