lol, Lebron is "greater" than Wilt and Russell? And Larry Legend? :roll:
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lol, Lebron is "greater" than Wilt and Russell? And Larry Legend? :roll:
i dont know who that is
[quote=DJ Leon Smith]Explain how this team will run the Dream Team off the court when their "fast break" will start by taking the ball out of the net.[/quote]
Sure, the fast break will come into play a lot. The Dream Team just doesn't have the defense to hold a team like this back.
1. Jordan is probably the only player with the foot speed to stay in front of Lebron unless you want to go with Pippen. Neither have the strength to avoid him from bullying past them or posting them up. You double and good luck buddy. Every player on the new team can hit a FIBA three, except maybe Rondo and Dwight. Lebron doesn't have to be the PG, but why not? He's just as quick as any PG they have on the Dream Team and plays better defense.
He can penetrate and draw doubles, and if there is no double. It's over. Going on to say, a lot of these guys could play the PG position just based off their ball handling and ability to penetrate, score, pass.
The new guys being more athletic, better ball handlers, better defenders, bigger, stronger and pretty much all in their primes doesn't hurt either. Durant = better version of Bird
Kobe = better version of Clyde for sure, arguably best scorer
Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players
Dwight = best rebounder out of all, best rim protector
Not even worth going on...
Somebody wants attention. Obvious Skip tactics.
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Sure, the fast break will come into play a lot. The Dream Team just doesn't have the defense to hold a team like this back.
1. Jordan is probably the only player with the foot speed to stay in front of Lebron unless you want to go with Pippen. Neither have the strength to avoid him from bullying past them or posting them up. You double and good luck buddy. Every player on the new team can hit a FIBA three, except maybe Rondo and Dwight. Lebron doesn't have to be the PG, but why not? He's just as quick as any PG they have on the Dream Team and plays better defense.
He can penetrate and draw doubles, and if there is no double. It's over. Going on to say, a lot of these guys could play the PG position just based off their ball handling and ability to penetrate, score, pass.
The new guys being more athletic, better ball handlers, better defenders, bigger, stronger and pretty much all in their primes doesn't hurt either. Durant = better version of Bird
Kobe = better version of Clyde for sure, arguably best scorer
Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players
Dwight = best rebounder out of all, best rim protector
[B]
Not even worth going on...[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree....you're embarassing yourself. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=Punpun]MJ too high. KAJ too low. #1 Kaj #3 MJ, now that's more like it.[/QUOTE]
yup.
[quote=bwink23]I agree....you're embarassing yourself. :hammerhead:[/quote]
More people should agree with me. They won't though because they've been brainwashed by the media, Dads and Grandpas I guess. It's a matter of respecting the original Dream Team though.
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Sure, the fast break will come into play a lot. The Dream Team just doesn't have the defense to hold a team like this back.
1. Jordan is probably the only player with the foot speed to stay in front of Lebron unless you want to go with Pippen. Neither have the strength to avoid him from bullying past them or posting them up. You double and good luck buddy. Every player on the new team can hit a FIBA three, except maybe Rondo and Dwight. Lebron doesn't have to be the PG, but why not? He's just as quick as any PG they have on the Dream Team and plays better defense.
He can penetrate and draw doubles, and if there is no double. It's over. Going on to say, a lot of these guys could play the PG position just based off their ball handling and ability to penetrate, score, pass.
The new guys being more athletic, better ball handlers, better defenders, bigger, stronger and pretty much all in their primes doesn't hurt either. Durant = better version of Bird
Kobe = better version of Clyde for sure, arguably best scorer
Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players
Dwight = best rebounder out of all, best rim protector
Not even worth going on...[/QUOTE]
The idea that a team of Magic (greatest fastbreak PG ever), prime Jordan, Pippen, Drexler (three of the best open-court/fastbreak players ever), Malone (greatest running PF ever), Barkley (probably the best open-court PF ever in terms of handling/finishing/passing), and DRob (probably the best running center ever) would get "run off the court" is so laughable as to not be worthy of comment. They would also get DESTROYED inside with Ewing/DRob/Malone/Barkley against Howard and...who exactly?
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Sure, the fast break will come into play a lot. The Dream Team just doesn't have the defense to hold a team like this back.
1. Jordan is probably the only player with the foot speed to stay in front of Lebron unless you want to go with Pippen. Neither have the strength to avoid him from bullying past them or posting them up. You double and good luck buddy. Every player on the new team can hit a FIBA three, except maybe Rondo and Dwight. Lebron doesn't have to be the PG, but why not? He's just as quick as any PG they have on the Dream Team and plays better defense.
He can penetrate and draw doubles, and if there is no double. It's over. Going on to say, a lot of these guys could play the PG position just based off their ball handling and ability to penetrate, score, pass.
The new guys being more athletic, better ball handlers, better defenders, bigger, stronger and pretty much all in their primes doesn't hurt either. Durant = better version of Bird
Kobe = better version of Clyde for sure, arguably best scorer
Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players
Dwight = best rebounder out of all, best rim protector
Not even worth going on...[/QUOTE]
OMG. I hate myself for reading this post.
I will forever remember this poster. This was the dumbest part of an epically ignorant post:
"Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players"
[quote=OldSchoolBBall]The idea that a team of Magic (greatest fastbreak PG ever), prime Jordan, Pippen, Drexler (three of the best open-court/fastbreak players ever), Malone (greatest running PF ever), Barkley (probably the best open-court PF ever in terms of handling/finishing/passing), and DRob (probably the best running center ever) would get "run off the court" is so laughable as to not be worthy of comment. They would also get DESTROYED inside with Ewing/DRob/Malone/Barkley against Howard and...who exactly?[/quote]
Magic wasn't even in his prime. Jordan, Pippen, Drexler are all slower than most of the players on the newer team. Malone? I'd take Melo or Dwight easily on the fast break. Why are you singling out the fast break? That's an advantage for the newer team. Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler...Defensive look is Dwight and Tyson in the paint or mix it up with Bosh/Chandler or Bosh/Dwight.
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Jordan, Pippen, Drexler are all slower than most of the players on the newer team.[/QUOTE]
I agree, only if you mean right now in 2012.
And bringing up Bosh/Chandler as something to throw at the Dream Team... wow.
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[quote=bleedinpurpleTwo]OMG. I hate myself for reading this post.
I will forever remember this poster. This was the dumbest part of an epically ignorant post:
"Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players"[/quote]
Why? Because Pippen is better? Maybe. I watched Pippen his entire career. He doesn't have the size that Lebron has though. It's very debatable.
There's a reason the first four letters of analyst are ****.
edit: wow really? that word is censored?
If you throw out Kobe... then yea.. very possible...
I dont see Kobe getting 4 more MVPs and 4 more FMVPs and so on to knockout Kareem/Russell at this stage of his career....
[QUOTE=OmniStrife]Kobe at #2....
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hLDrg.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Sure, the fast break will come into play a lot. The Dream Team just doesn't have the defense to hold a team like this back.
1. Jordan is probably the only player with the foot speed to stay in front of Lebron unless you want to go with Pippen. Neither have the strength to avoid him from bullying past them or posting them up. You double and good luck buddy. Every player on the new team can hit a FIBA three, except maybe Rondo and Dwight. Lebron doesn't have to be the PG, but why not? He's just as quick as any PG they have on the Dream Team and plays better defense.
He can penetrate and draw doubles, and if there is no double. It's over. Going on to say, a lot of these guys could play the PG position just based off their ball handling and ability to penetrate, score, pass.
The new guys being more athletic, better ball handlers, better defenders, bigger, stronger and pretty much all in their primes doesn't hurt either. [B][SIZE="7"]Durant = better version of Bird[/SIZE][/B]
Kobe = better version of Clyde for sure, arguably best scorer
Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players
Dwight = best rebounder out of all, best rim protector
Not even worth going on...[/QUOTE]
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Best you can do? You can't just look at rings. I'm talking about an actual scrimmage. Past his prime Bird is better than current Durant? How?
Larry Bird career: 6.3 APG, 3.1 TO
Kevin Durant career: 2.8 APG, 3.1 TO
Not even close
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Magic wasn't even in his prime. Jordan, Pippen, Drexler are all slower than most of the players on the newer team. Malone? I'd take Melo or Dwight easily on the fast break. Why are you singling out the fast break? That's an advantage for the newer team. Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler...Defensive look is Dwight and Tyson in the paint or mix it up with Bosh/Chandler or Bosh/Dwight.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but Jordan/Pippen/Drexler (in their 1992 forms) are slower than NO ONE in the open court. Give me a break and go watch some damn game footage. :oldlol:
[quote=Deuce Bigalow]Larry Bird career: 6.3 APG, 3.1 TO
Kevin Durant career: 2.8 APG, 3.1 TO
Not even close[/quote]
Great point. Bird was on a top team in his era and had great players surrounding him to share the scoring load. Meanwhile Durant is a better scoring talent with better ball handles. He's on a team without many guys who can either post up or shoot the ball so his scoring is way up. Bird, much shorter, much slower, way less talented scoring wise.
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Sure, the fast break will come into play a lot. The Dream Team just doesn't have the defense to hold a team like this back.
1. [B]Jordan is probably the only player with the foot speed to stay in front of Lebron[/B] unless you want to go with Pippen. Neither have the strength to avoid him from bullying past them or posting them up. You double and good luck buddy. Every player on the new team can hit a FIBA three, except maybe Rondo and Dwight. Lebron doesn't have to be the PG, but why not? He's just as quick as any PG they have on the Dream Team and plays better defense.
He can penetrate and draw doubles, and if there is no double. It's over. Going on to say, a lot of these guys could play the PG position just based off their ball handling and ability to penetrate, score, pass.
The new guys being more athletic, better ball handlers, better defenders, bigger, stronger and pretty much all in their primes doesn't hurt either. Durant = better version of Bird
Kobe = better version of Clyde for sure, arguably best scorer
Lebron = best all around defender out of all of the players
Dwight = best rebounder out of all, best rim protector
Not even worth going on...[/QUOTE]
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The thinner '92 team has [I]more[/I] footspeed than Lebron... if anything, footspeed is going to be their strength
[quote=OldSchoolBBall]Sorry, but Jordan/Pippen/Drexler (in their 1992 forms) are slower than NO ONE in the open court. Give me a break and go watch some damn game footage. :oldlol:[/quote]
In their era..
[QUOTE=04mzwach]In their era..[/QUOTE]
Kobe's trainer Tim Grover (Jordan's former trainer) on MJ vs. Kobe or Lebron one one one:
[B]Trainer Tim Grover[/B] (Attack Athletics in Chicago), who has trained Bryant, James and Michael Jordan: Hard to say. Kobe could back LeBron down, too. He's that strong. Don't put me in this spot. I'm not picking.
How about Jordan versus either man?
[B]Grover[/B]:" Oh, Michael. No question. From a physical and mental standpoint, he's the best I've ever seen. If he were playing now, with the way the refs call everything, and with all the padding these guys wear, he'd average 40 or 50 a night if he wanted. "
:no:
[quote=bwink23]Kobe's trainer Tim Grover (Jordan's former trainer) on MJ vs. Kobe or Lebron one one one:
[B]Trainer Tim Grover[/B] (Attack Athletics in Chicago), who has trained Bryant, James and Michael Jordan: Hard to say. Kobe could back LeBron down, too. He's that strong. Don't put me in this spot. I'm not picking.
How about Jordan versus either man?
[B]Grover[/B]:" Oh, Michael. No question. From a physical and mental standpoint, he's the best I've ever seen. If he were playing now, with the way the refs call everything, and with all the padding these guys wear, he'd average 40 or 50 a night if he wanted. "
:no:[/quote]
MJ against an the best of the best today? Those quotes are talking about MJ in today's league against NBA teams. Whose not to say that MJ scores 15 one night and 50 another? Not every team in the NBA has great defenses.
[quote=bwink23]Kobe's trainer Tim Grover (Jordan's former trainer) on MJ vs. Kobe or Lebron one one one:
[B]Trainer Tim Grover[/B] (Attack Athletics in Chicago), who has trained Bryant, James and Michael Jordan: Hard to say. Kobe could back LeBron down, too. He's that strong. Don't put me in this spot. I'm not picking.
How about Jordan versus either man?
[B]Grover[/B]:" Oh, Michael. No question. From a physical and mental standpoint, he's the best I've ever seen. If he were playing now, with the way the refs call everything, and with all the padding these guys wear, he'd average 40 or 50 a night if he wanted. "
:no:[/quote]
Also, another thing. With today's media and everything. If he were to pick Kobe over MJ. People would be all over him. His credibility would be at risk. He wouldn't do it. People think too highly of Michael. I think very highly of Michael myself.
[QUOTE=04mzwach]MJ against an the best of the best today? Those quotes are talking about MJ in today's league against NBA teams. Whose not to say that MJ scores 15 one night and 50 another? Not every team in the NBA has great defenses.[/QUOTE]
40-year old fatbutt, bum knees Jordan shot BETTER than a prime Kobe Bryant from 10-23ft in the 2002 and 2003 seasons....what do you think a PRIME MJ would do? :lol
[QUOTE=bwink23]40-year old fatbutt, bum knees Jordan shot BETTER than a prime Kobe Bryant from 10-23ft in the 2002 and 2003 seasons....what do you think a PRIME MJ would do? :lol[/QUOTE]
His TS% was below 50. It was one of the worst 20ppg seasons of all-time in terms of efficiency :lol
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]His TS% was below 50. It was one of the worst 20ppg seasons of all-time in terms of efficiency :lol[/QUOTE]
Yep it was. He wasn't getting to the line at all and missing easy finishes around the rim.....He was a SHELL of his prime self. Yet still good enough to shoot better from mid-range than a young, prime Kobe Bryant. :cheers:
[QUOTE=bwink23]Yep it was. He wasn't getting to the line at all and missing easy finishes around the rim.....He was a SHELL of his prime self. Yet still good enough to shoot better from mid-range than a young, prime Kobe Bryant. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
sub 50ts% :bowdown:
:roll: :roll: :roll: @ D.Howard/Chandler/Bosh handling D.Robinson/Ewing/Malone/Barkley
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]sub 50ts% :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
So was Allen Iverson, one of the star SG's of the time....:rolleyes:
SAD that a prime KB couldn't outshoot a fat has-been with no lift on his jumper from 70% of floor space....:pimp:
[QUOTE=bwink23]So was Allen Iverson, one of the star SG's of the time....:rolleyes:
SAD that a prime KB couldn't outshoot a fat has-been with no lift on his jumper from 70% of floor space....:pimp:[/QUOTE]
Yeah because defenses played them both the same and they took the same amount of shots
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Yeah because defenses played them both the same and they took the same amount of shots[/QUOTE]
:lol .....Kobe had Shaq sucking up defenses, who did Jordan have, Jahidi White?? And YES their shot attempts from 10-23 ft were EXTREMELY COMPARABLE....the reason Jordan's overall FG% was so low was he was living off of fadeaways and jumpers. He rarely could get to the basket due to being old and slow. When he did get there he missed many bunny shots that would be a GIVEN.
:pimp:
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Yeah because defenses played them both the same and they took the same amount of shots[/QUOTE]
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Kobe plays in a weak era :lol
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/603754/kobe-pau-fail2.gif[/IMG]
Kobe plays in a weak era :lol[/QUOTE]
Over/Under Kobe averages 60/10/5 in Wilt's era?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Over/Under Kobe averages 60/10/5 in Wilt's era?[/QUOTE]
0/0/0 obviously
Kobe's black n Lakers already had a black star, Kobe would get snubbed from the team in favor of Jerry West :lol
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]0/0/0 obviously
Kobe's black n Lakers already had a black star, Kobe would get snubbed from the team in favor of Jerry West :lol[/QUOTE]
Your mother's a whore
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]0/0/0 obviously
Kobe's black n Lakers already had a black star, Kobe would get snubbed from the team in favor of Jerry West :lol[/QUOTE]
On a serious note, Kobe would be in the army reserves, like Baylor was, back in that time yes ?
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This topic is [SIZE=7]HILARIOUS[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Sorry, but Jordan/Pippen/Drexler (in their 1992 forms) are slower than NO ONE in the open court. Give me a break and go watch some damn game footage. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Seriously, that's some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. Pippen with his huge strides in his athletic prime probably got from one end of the court to the other faster than any wing player ever. Jordan, Drexler, and Pippen are all top five open court players of all time. I don't think I ever read anything so stupid when that dumb ass 04mzwach said they would be too "slow".
Everything god damn thing 04mzwach said is stupid. Jordan is the only one with the foot speed to defend Lebron James? When did Lebron James become some kind of speed demon as far as quickness side to side? Pippen could easily stay in front of Lebron. Then you have the audacity to say Lebron James is the best all around defender...because Scottie Pippen disappeared from the original dream team? Lebron is no way in hell the best all around defensive player but a 1992 Scottie Pippen is. Funniest thing was how you said Dwight Howard is the best rim protector...hahahhahah...umm...David Robinson? The guy who just won the DPOY, who led the league in bpg averaging 4.5bpg, and the guy who missed 14 games that season yet still had the Spurs #1 in defense because of how dominant he was when he was on the court. Dwight Howard the best rim protector of the bunch!?...good ****ing laugh.