TRADE: Hornets sending Okafor and Ariza to Wizards for Rashard Lewis, 2nd rounder

[QUOTE=Rose]You gotta keep your capspace in case someone there develops. Obviously Wall probably won't. But Crawford really turned it up towards the end of last season.



Now you're just overpaying not one, not two, but three!!! bigs. And only one you can amnesty and he only makes 6 million a year I think. Then you've got Ariza, who you can probably flip for someone good. But it makes no sense.

You're stuck with 4 more Nene years, 2 more Emeka years. and 3 more Blatche years. tell me how that's good? And what experience they have? Emeka? made the playoffs twice. Nene? sure he made it every year but made it only once past the first round. And blatche sucks in every facet. It's not like they're even good veterans. You're paying these guys between 30-40 million over the next two years!!!!!![/QUOTE]
Its too late to rule out Wall improving with a new, better cast of teammates around him. But they wont have any problem retaining Crawford when the time comes, but as far as them getting someone on the open market I dont really have faith in that.

Washington has never really been attractive to Free Agents, mainly due to poor management & them not being contenders. Its a smart move to see how far John Wall can take this group because his development is at the heart of this decision. If they're a Playoff team in another couple of years when they do have some cap space then they will be able to attract a legit Free Agent to join John Wall.

Basically, a calculated risk.:confusedshrug:

Can John Wall shoot yet?

That is the real question.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Shard tries when he's on a good team. He could get that stroke back![/QUOTE]
Nothing wrong with his stroke, its just that he's simply gotten far too comfortable standing around behind the arch due to spending the last few years waiting to get the ball kicked out to him by Dwight Howard.

That literally is all he does now. Rashard was once a really dynamic scorer at the rim, from the perimeter, and had a good mid-range game.

[QUOTE=Snoop_Cat]F*cking incredible. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[url]http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267537[/url][/QUOTE]

:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed::bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

What a prophet.:bowdown:

[QUOTE=Rowe]Its a good cap saving move, but it remains to be seen if their new management will do anything proper with their cap space.

This is the same GM who agreed to send Chris Paul to LA for essentially Luis Scola & Lamar Odom.:lol[/QUOTE]

:roll: Thats true.

Good trade for the Wizards.

Trying to actually become relevant. And trying to change the culture. Let's face it, they aren't going to attract premiere free agents so they have to make moves for talent through trade.

Okafor
Nene
Ariza
Bradley Beal
Wall

Plus I see them trying to dump Blatche on someone else for a pick.


Okafor and Ariza only have two more years, so its not like you are stuck with them forever anyway.

[QUOTE=GOBB]:roll: Thats true.[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure they were getting Kevin Martin too. Not too bad really.

Wizards still have too many young guys. I'd look to get a veteran sg and back-up pg too. A go to guy ideally since Nene hasn't shown he can be that guy. In the East they can make some noise. Their defense has improved significantly with the trade.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]What do the Bobcats have to do with it?[/QUOTE]

Seems to me like he/she is stuck in '09. See username...

I like the trade for both teams. So i guess that means beal is going to the wiz!

[QUOTE=TMT]Pretty sure they were getting Kevin Martin too. Not too bad really.[/QUOTE]

I dont like the idea of rebuilding in that way. Scola/Martin and Odumb would have kept them stuck in mediocrity. You wouldnt have had an extra lottery pick or been in position to draft Anthony Davis. Atleast here you have young talent you can mold/develop some on cheap contracts. And while you spend on your young star Eric Gordon you can play with cap space money and fill in certain positions not filled via draft. For example, Goran Dragic PG.

Who says Beal can shoot any better than Crawford? That is the point you all are missing by assuming he's the next Ray Allen. There isn't an ounce of shooting consistency in a lineup of:

Wall
Beal
Ariza
Nene
Okafur

[QUOTE=GOBB]I dont like the idea of rebuilding in that way.

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They were looking to be a playoff team not rebuild.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]They were looking to be a playoff team not rebuild.[/QUOTE]

No they werent.

Poor John Wall

i did not know you could make trades while the NBA postseason was going on.

The very worse trades are the one's where ISH signs off in the beginning only to go revisionist skeptic and hate on it when it fails.

The point is the Wiz, and ISH, assume Beal is the player who can space the floor enough for their lineup to work. I doubt this. He probably wowed them in workouts but that's what workout warriors do, wow when not playing against anyone.

[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]The very worse trades are the one's where ISH signs off in the beginning only to go revisionist skeptic and hate on it when it fails.

The point is the Wiz, and ISH, assume Beal is the player who can space the floor enough for their lineup to work. I doubt this. He probably wowed them in workouts but that's what workout warriors do, wow when not playing against anyone.[/QUOTE]
What is your opinion of the current NBA Finals?

damn solid move for the wizards, holy shit

atleast now everyone can stop making up BS trades for our #10 pick.

[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]The very worse trades are the one's where ISH signs off in the beginning only to go revisionist skeptic and hate on it when it fails.

The point is the Wiz, and ISH, assume Beal is the player who can space the floor enough for their lineup to work. I doubt this. He probably wowed them in workouts but that's what workout warriors do, wow when not playing against anyone.[/QUOTE]

Says the Perry Jones fanboy.

He is the definition of workout warrior. Wows people with his measurements and his ability to shoot the J.

Dude is a dud. Watch game tape. Seems to never show up in big games. Quincy Acy carried that team along with Pierre Jackson.

In other news, Beal is the best SG prospect and that is what we need. MKG is a very nice piece, but his scoring ability even more suspect than Beal.

Obviously must be for money, because the Wizards make out good in the trade. Who should be starting center for the Wizards? Nene or Okafor?

Perry Jones: 14/7 50%

Beal: 14/2 44%

Keep the nonsense going. I guarantee MKG becomes a better NBA player than Beal. It won't be even close. Stay in your draft mode denial.

[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]Can John Wall shoot yet?

That is the real question.[/QUOTE]

When he does. Watch out!

[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]Perry Jones: 14/7 50%

Beal: 14/2 44%

Keep the nonsense going. I guarantee MKG becomes a better NBA player than Beal. It won't be even close. Stay in your draft mode denial.[/QUOTE]

You just compared the stats of an SG and a PF.

Congrats. :facepalm

Not a good trade for the Hornets.
Okafor would have been a good player alongside Davis. Ariza possibly could have been moved for someone else.
Now they will have more cap space, but it is not going to be easy to get someone to come there.

Maybe the Hornets will target Asik - that would be a good pick up at the bigs.

Good trade for the Wizards. They get two serviceable players for Lewis, who would have been bought out anyway.

Now it's time for the Wizards to amnesty Blatche and create another 7 million in cap space.

[QUOTE=DuMa]i did not know you could make trades while the NBA postseason was going on.[/QUOTE]

You can as long as your season is over. Thunder and Heat are the only teams that can't.

[QUOTE=Peteballa]Good trade for the Hornets.[/QUOTE]

I think it works well both ways.

[QUOTE=TMT]Pretty sure they were getting Kevin Martin too. Not too bad really.[/QUOTE]
Well something happened to all 3 players involved as Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, & Lamar Odom each had down seasons compared to the last few years.

It would've been a disastrous deal had it gone through for New Orleans and their future with no marquee player, but their GM was adamant on doing it.

He probably could still get all 3 players if he wants since both Martin/Scola are on the Block and Dallas has made it clear Odom is gone.:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=hawkfan]Not a good trade for the Hornets.
Okafor would have been a good player alongside Davis. Ariza possibly could have been moved for someone else.
Now they will have more cap space, but it is not going to be easy to get someone to come there.

Maybe the Hornets will target Asik - that would be a good pick up at the bigs.

Good trade for the Wizards. They get two serviceable players for Lewis, who would have been bought out anyway.

Now it's time for the Wizards to amnesty Blatche and create another 7 million in cap space.[/QUOTE]

I think the Hornets should now draft Davis at #1 and then grab a C at #10.

They still have both Gustavo Ayon & Jason Smith who are serviceable big men to throw in at the C position. They probably should add a backup C who is more of a space eater on defense, someone like Jason Collins or Aaron Gray.

gotta be for cap space. awesome deal for washington.

I wonder just how low Andray Blatche's stock is right now.

I'd almost like to see them trying to package the #3 pick with Blatche to get rid of him. Maybe to Atlanta for Josh Smith and #23? Eh, probably not a good trade. #23 would net them a decent player. Probably an older rookie that's more ready to play right away and Smith would fit in well with Wall. Atlanta would get a player that does have honest potential in Blatche, maybe could allow them to move Horford to the 4. At #3, they could get a very good player that could end up being as good as Josh Smith, or they could go with MKG (NBA ready defender?).

[QUOTE=Grinder]Decent trade for both teams although the Hornets got the better of it.

Wiz clearly looking for some proven veterans to add to their young core and let them draft a shooting guard (although I would have loved to see MKG and Wall together). Hornets get a monster expirer to allow them to give Eric Gordon a max contract and secure their core of Davis + Gordon.
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just because they traded for ariza doesnt mean that they wont draft MKG, they would be retarded to think ariza is a long term solution at SF. ariza is garbage, and not somebody you wanna build around. they should still draft mkg

[QUOTE=The Big Skinny]You just compared the stats of an SG and a PF.

Congrats. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


and on top of that, lied. beal averaged 6.5 boards a game, not 2

Not sure what Washington is doing. Clogs their cap for 2 more years, makes them decent at best. Nene and Okafor is a decent front line but it's not winning anything. It could miss the playoffs still. And they found a way to clog their cap even longer than the Lewis contract did.

[QUOTE=niko]Not sure what Washington is doing. Clogs their cap for 2 more years, makes them decent at best. Nene and Okafor is a decent front line but it's not winning anything. It could miss the playoffs still. And they found a way to clog their cap even longer than the Lewis contract did.[/QUOTE]

How would they have used that cap space though? Have you looked at the free agents available in '13, it's not a terribly impressive group outside of Paul and Howard (neither of whom the Wizards were likely to sign). Plus, it's only an extra year and both contracts are easier to move instead of one giant lump of $22 mil.

Posted this on another forum:

Honestly love the trade for Washington.

Seems like a "Transformers" trade...there's more to it than meets the eye.

I think they're gonna try to put themselves in position to maybe trade Okafor+#3 for Bynum or something big like that.

Not saying the Lakers go for it or if Bynum is even the target but it seems like they have ulterior motives like trading Nene+#3 or Okafor+#3, likely Nene since his contract is longer.

This way they can easily sign a FA SG to put next to Wall.

Maybe even Okafor +#3 or Nene +#3 for Perkins & Harden?

As hornets fan, im happy for this trade. Now we are moving. We have cap space and Hopefully we draft a good pg at #10. If lewis will play like he was with 2009 Magic, i can see us making a run for playoffs.

[QUOTE=chips93]just because they traded for ariza doesnt mean that they wont draft MKG, they would be retarded to think ariza is a long term solution at SF. ariza is garbage, and not somebody you wanna build around. they should still draft mkg[/QUOTE]

Wash drafted Jan Vesely (6th) and Chris Singleton (18) last draft. You then trade for Ariza who will be there for atleast a season (maybe 2 if he doesnt opt out). Turning around and drafting MGK wouldnt make sense. Sure he's talented in comparison to those 3. But what do you do with the others?

Meanwhile your SG position Jordon Crawford. Who else? Roger Mason, Mo Evans? Come on. :confusedshrug:

Damn, and I really wanted to see Wall run the fast break with MKG as well. Next move is to amnest Blatche. And the Wizards should be at least decent within 2-3 years.

[QUOTE=jcyrus10]If lewis will play like he was with 2009 Magic, i can see us making a run for playoffs.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: No chance New Orleans makes the playoffs, unless the Unibrow turns into Shaq. Lewis will probably be bought out anyway..........